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Oh, I see....he can text on that tiny Crackberry keyboard, but he can't type on a regular size one.



Yeah, right.



My Dad emails me and surfs the net using one finger b/c he doesn't know how to type that well. He manages just fine.
 
Rove claims that McCain's ads are dirty.





"McCain has gone in some of his ads -- similarly gone one step too far," he told Fox News, "and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the '100 percent truth' test."



The Obama campaign immediately leaped on the quote.



"In case anyone was still wondering whether John McCain is running the sleaziest, most dishonest campaign in history, today Karl Rove -- the man who held the previous record -- said McCain's ads have gone too far," said campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor, in a statement sent to reporters minutes after Rove's on-air comments. Rove masterminded both of President Bush's successful White House bids.



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/14/campaign.wrap/index.h...
 
Eva, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the "First rule of holes" - When you find that you have dug yourself deep in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.



You are not very deft in your attempt at changing the subject.



John Kerry was not disabled in the service of his country. John McCain was disabled in the service of his country.



Other than a sense of arrogance and cluelessness, Kerry has no disabilities to mock. John McCain can't even tie his own shoes because of injuries he suffered while in captivity.



As quoted from a Forbes article written in 2000<em>



McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. ?She?s a whiz on the keyboard, and I?m so laborious,? McCain admits.

</em>



Why would McCain go through a painful and laborious process of typing when he has a loving and devoted wife who is willing to sacrifice her time to help someone she loves?



Though I don't know your personal story, if I am reading between the lines correctly, you really should be ashamed of yourself right now.
 
[Law-Justice-HumanRights] <strong>Alaska lawmakers vote to subpoena Todd Palin</strong>





By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer 46 minutes ago







The abuse of power investigation against Sarah Palin, Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, took a potentially ominous turn for her party on Friday when state lawmakers voted to subpoena her husband.

Republican efforts to delay the probe until after the Nov. 4 election were thwarted when GOP State Sen. Charlie Huggins, who represents Palin's hometown of Wasilla, sided with Democrats. "Let's just get the facts on the table," said Huggins, who appeared in camouflage pants to vote during a break from moose hunting.

Thomas Van Flein, the Palins' private attorney now representing her as governor, did not immediately return calls for comment.

The Senate committee acted at the request of investigator Stephen Branchflower, who is gathering evidence on whether Gov. Palin abused her power by firing Walt Monegan, the state's director of public safety. Critics charge she fired Monegan after he refused to dismiss Mike Wooten, a state trooper who had a messy divorce from the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was let go because of a budget dispute.

Branchflower also said he wants to interview the governor, but omitted her from the 13-person list of subpoena targets he presented to the lawmakers overseeing his investigation.

He said Todd Palin is "such a central figure. ... I think one should be issued for him."

Palin, cast at last week's Republican National Convention as a supportive husband, oil rig worker and championship snowmachine racer, has emerged in the days since as also a powerful figure in his wife's administration. Despite holding no government position, he attends official meetings and is copied on e-mails concerning state business.

While Todd Palin's role in the dismissal of Monegan is unknown, the request for a subpoena suggests he spurned earlier calls to testify voluntarily. Monegan voluntarily submitted to an interview earlier in the week.

Nor was it immediately clear whether Van Flein was representing Todd Palin as well as the governor in the investigation. Van Flein is working at taxpayer expense to represent the governor in her personal and official capacity.

The subpoenas, which were approved for 12 state employees in addition to Todd Palin, instantly gave a new, national significance to what until recently was a controversy confined to Alaska.

The McCain campaign released a statement from Alaska Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, blaming Democrats.

"I'm disappointed by the complete hijacking of what should be a fair and objective process," the Republican said, calling the investigation a "smear."

The investigation ? dubbed "Troopergate" ? began before Palin was chosen as Sen. John McCain's running mate. Since then, Palin's supporters have argued that the investigation is politically motivated, and urged lawmakers to turn the matter over to the three-member State Personnel Board, which is appointed by the governor and charged with handling ethics complaints.

Palin has said she fired Monegan over disagreements about budget priorities. Monegan says he received repeated e-mails and phone calls from Palin, her husband and her staff expressing dismay over Wooten's continued employment.

One member of Palin's administration was caught on tape discussing personal information about Wooten, raising questions of how he knew those details.

Branchflower also asked for a subpoena for the phone records of one Palin administration official, Frank Bailey. Bailey was recorded calling an Alaska State Trooper lieutenant and discussing confidential information about Wooten, including his job application and worker's compensation claim. In a deposition taken by Palin's attorney, he testified that he never saw Wooten's file, but instead received the information from Todd Palin.
 
So ... McCain couldn't use a computer before he could use one (and was learning how to use it) before he couldn't use it. And somehow he needs to be able to tie his shoes to use one. Still need to figure out how this fits into the equation.
 
Winex. Kerry is a three time Purple Heart recipient.... Does that not qualify as honorable ? (don't bother linking all the Swiftboat sh*t....been there, done that)



I also don't think that just because McCain was a POW, that automatically qualifies him to be President. I empathize with him...I'm damn proud of our US Forces and honor him for his sacrifice... but being a POW doesn't immediately elevate someone to being worthy of Presidential consideration. It just happens to be a fact of life. Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of hearing about it.



Did you serve your country? Is America even your birth country?



Just curious.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1221482113]Winex. Kerry is a three time Purple Heart recipient.... Does that not qualify as honorable ? (don't bother linking all the Swiftboat sh*t....been there, done that)



I also don't think that just because McCain was a POW, that automatically qualifies him to be President. I empathize with him...I'm damn proud of our US Forces and honor him for his sacrifice... but being a POW doesn't immediately elevate someone to being worthy of Presidential consideration. It just happens to be a fact of life. Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of hearing about it.



Did you serve your country? Is America even your birth country?



Just curious.</blockquote>


Trooper, go back and read what I wrote.



I said that Kerry isn't disabled. (Well, other than by arrogance and a general sense of cluelessness)



The pictures of people holding band aids that Eva posted were mocking the seriousness (or lack thereof ) of Kerry's injuries. While the 3 Purple Hearts he received qualified him for a quick exit from Vietnam, no one is claiming that any of his injuries were serious, yet alone debilitating.



You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear that I am familiar with the events of the 2004 elections and the issues brought up by the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. You might be surprised to hear that I don't really care what they said, the fact is that Kerry did enlist and serve his country and I don't care to question what he did in service of his country. But you probably won't be surprised to hear that I think the way he carried himself after the war was absolutely despicable.



If you go back to this time period in the last election cycle, your side was arguing that Kerry going to Vietnam did qualify him for president, while President Bush being in the reserves and trying unsuccessfully to get to Vietnam disqualified him for the office he holds to this day.



In the current cycle, I'm not aware of a single person who says that John McCain being a POW qualifies him for office. In fact, the only reason I am considering voting for him in November is his choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate. Having lived Arizona most of my life, I'm very familiar with John McCain. And while he does have some redeeming qualities, it's hard for me to think of him as a true conservative. I may vote for Bob Barr in November, or I may vote for John McCain. But regardless of how I vote, I think that mocking someone for a disability is distasteful regardless of what the political affiliation of that person is. And I think that mocking someone for a disability gained in service of our country is even worse.
 
You're right.



I simply corrected your misstatements about things I said. (Honorable versus disabled)



As for your other questions, I'm interested in hearing your amateur analysis. Am I a native born American? Did I serve my country?



This should be interesting.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1221486965]You still haven't answered my question.</blockquote>
Nor will he. He will instead do mental gymnastics to justify why he needn't.
 
Wow... Just . . . wow. Yet another reason not to live in the IE.



Here is a pic from a mailing sent out by some IE Republicans:





<img src="http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg" alt="" />







<blockquote> The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.



The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps." </blockquote>


<a href="http://www.pe.com/politics/dearmond/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html">Link.</a>



Now <em>that</em> is distasteful.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1224197343]Wow... Just . . . wow. Yet another reason not to live in the IE.



Here is a pic from a mailing sent out by some IE Republicans:





<img src="http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg" alt="" />







<blockquote> The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.



The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps." </blockquote>


<a href="http://www.pe.com/politics/dearmond/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html">Link.</a>



Now <em>that</em> is distasteful.</blockquote>


Beyond distasteful.... I could see using an image of an arugula leaf, but instead this is a full on racist move.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1224197343]Wow... Just . . . wow. Yet another reason not to live in the IE.



Here is a pic from a mailing sent out by some IE Republicans:





<img src="http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg" alt="" />







<blockquote> The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.



The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps." </blockquote>


<a href="http://www.pe.com/politics/dearmond/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html">Link.</a>



Now <em>that</em> is distasteful.</blockquote>


Eva, maybe you can help me out here.



I saw the ad mocking John McCain for a disability gained in service of his country, and I saw Obama say "I'm Barrack Obama and I endorse this ad".



And I saw Joe Biden initially say that the ad mocking John McCain for his disability was disgraceful, then I saw him reverse course and say that mocking the disabled is a good thing.



But I can't find anywhere in the ad you are pointing out where John McCain said "I'm John McCain and I endorse this ad".



Can you point it out to me?
 
I know many seniors over 90 using a computer. It's a personel choice. I don't believe his excuse he just doesn't want to learn it. Many voice programs will type for you. If your President you need to know computers bottom line.



I wonder if he has read all the info on Joe the Plumber on the internet today? The internet changed this guys life in less the 24 hours. The computer has lots of power and influence in our society. Presidents need to understand the power.
 
[quote author="wendyinoc" date=1224236467]I know many seniors over 90 using a computer. It's a personel choice. I don't believe his excuse he just doesn't want to learn it. Many voice programs will type for you. If your President you need to know computers bottom line.



I wonder if he has read all the info on Joe the Plumber on the internet today? The internet changed this guys life in less the 24 hours. The computer has lots of power and influence in our society. Presidents need to understand the power.</blockquote>


Wendy, in case you haven't heard, John McCain was held prisoner of war by the North Vietnamese for 5 1/2 years and underwent brutal torture. As a result of being suspended by his arms by ropes for a few years while his broken arms were healing from several breaks, he doesn't have full use of his shoulders. He is incapable of raising his arms above his head. In an article that I linked to in Forbes earlier in this thread (written in 2000), it mentions that he can't type because of the pain from holding his hands in that position.



McCain has a legitimate reason for not being able to type. What excuse does Obama have for not being able to use Google?
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1224230696][quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1224197343]Wow... Just . . . wow. Yet another reason not to live in the IE.



Here is a pic from a mailing sent out by some IE Republicans:





<img src="http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg" alt="" />







<blockquote> The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.



The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps." </blockquote>


<a href="http://www.pe.com/politics/dearmond/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html">Link.</a>



Now <em>that</em> is distasteful.</blockquote>


Eva, maybe you can help me out here.



I saw the ad mocking John McCain for a disability gained in service of his country, and I saw Obama say "I'm Barrack Obama and I endorse this ad".



And I saw Joe Biden initially say that the ad mocking John McCain for his disability was disgraceful, then I saw him reverse course and say that mocking the disabled is a good thing.



But I can't find anywhere in the ad you are pointing out where John McCain said "I'm John McCain and I endorse this ad".



Can you point it out to me?</blockquote>


I can't help when you begin with a flawed premise. The ad you are referring to was demonstrating that John McCain was a man of a prior era. If you want to swallow everything Jonah Goldberg feeds you, however, it is your prerogative.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1224237670][quote author="WINEX" date=1224230696][quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1224197343]Wow... Just . . . wow. Yet another reason not to live in the IE.



Here is a pic from a mailing sent out by some IE Republicans:





<img src="http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg" alt="" />







<blockquote> The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.



The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps." </blockquote>


<a href="http://www.pe.com/politics/dearmond/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html">Link.</a>



Now <em>that</em> is distasteful.</blockquote>


So that means that you can't find a McCain endorsement of this ad that went to 200 people either?



Eva, maybe you can help me out here.



I saw the ad mocking John McCain for a disability gained in service of his country, and I saw Obama say "I'm Barrack Obama and I endorse this ad".



And I saw Joe Biden initially say that the ad mocking John McCain for his disability was disgraceful, then I saw him reverse course and say that mocking the disabled is a good thing.



But I can't find anywhere in the ad you are pointing out where John McCain said "I'm John McCain and I endorse this ad".



Can you point it out to me?</blockquote>


I can't help when you begin with a flawed premise. The ad you are referring to was demonstrating that John McCain was a man of a prior era. If you want to swallow everything Jonah Goldberg feeds you, however, it is your prerogative.</blockquote>


So that means you can't find a McCain endorsement of this ad that went to 200 people either....
 
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