2011: Year of the iPad 2!
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Sorry... I was talking about the Nexus... just used the wrong numbers for the thickness. The Nexus phone demonstrated was the HSPA+ one (the 4G standard used by most non-US carriers, AT&T and TMo), the VZW one will be LTE and exclusive for a short period of time in the US before going on other US carriers.
As for the RAZR, anything "Droid" is exclusive to US VZW (they paid George Lucas to use that term)... outside the US, it will just be called the RAZR.
If you look at the batteries in the bigger 4"+ phones... you'll see they are almost the size of the old candy bar phones we used to use pre-smartphone.
The rooting is get around the stuff that is put on there by the phone makers and carriers. Android itself has no restrictions (which is what you get when you root it). The restrictions are built into iOS.
Also you're talking about the Great Wall of China vs. your neighborhood yard fence when comparing the two.
Google's strategy was to get into the market before Apple took it all. That's exactly what Android did. It provided a viable alternative to iOS and now Google is going back to unify the OS. Fragmentation is not Google's fault...it's a result of the phone makers' slow response and the huge range in hardware for an Android system. There are many phones who simply don't have the specs to run the newer versions of Android. It is no different than my 5-year laptop not being able to run Windows 7.
I also do not understand the big deal about fragmentation. I have my phone and it works great. It should still work great in two years when Android 5.0 comes out. Yes, I won't have as many cool things on it but I only have one phone. It's like I am still fine with using XP even though new computers run Windows 7.
irvinehomeowner
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Oops... mixed that up.jvna said:
Sorry... I was talking about the Nexus... just used the wrong numbers for the thickness. The Nexus phone demonstrated was the HSPA+ one (the 4G standard used by most non-US carriers, AT&T and TMo), the VZW one will be LTE and exclusive for a short period of time in the US before going on other US carriers.
As for the RAZR, anything "Droid" is exclusive to US VZW (they paid George Lucas to use that term)... outside the US, it will just be called the RAZR.
irvinehomeowner
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The official announcement for the Transformer Prime is November 9th. Not sure when it will be available for sale... it would be nice if it had ICS out of the box, but even if not, ASUS is very good at pushing updates to their tablets. I think the TF got the latest Honeycomb releases before other tablets did.
If they stick to the same pricing as the TF, it would be $399/$499 for 16/32, $100 less than the iPad 2. Not sure if they will do that because that means they would have to end-of-life the current TF, or drop those prices even lower.
Hopefully all these Android tablet makers are finally realizing they have to be significantly cheaper than the iPad, not just $50 under.
If they stick to the same pricing as the TF, it would be $399/$499 for 16/32, $100 less than the iPad 2. Not sure if they will do that because that means they would have to end-of-life the current TF, or drop those prices even lower.
Hopefully all these Android tablet makers are finally realizing they have to be significantly cheaper than the iPad, not just $50 under.
irvinehomeowner
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I agree... but even stuff with better specs doesn't translate to charging the same or more.
Average consumers don't see # of cores, Tegra 3 or even ICS... all they see is iPad costs $499... how much does this cost?
ASUS might try to pull an Acer or Samsung and charge the same... then drop it a little... but if I were them... I would price it less from the getgo... that's how they were able to sell the TF101 (it did help that it had that keyboard dock as an add-on accessory)... or... I would make it the same WITH the keyboard dock.
Average consumers don't see # of cores, Tegra 3 or even ICS... all they see is iPad costs $499... how much does this cost?
ASUS might try to pull an Acer or Samsung and charge the same... then drop it a little... but if I were them... I would price it less from the getgo... that's how they were able to sell the TF101 (it did help that it had that keyboard dock as an add-on accessory)... or... I would make it the same WITH the keyboard dock.
irvinehomeowner
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One more rumored pro about the Nexus... battery life.
Supposedly, ICS allows for hardware acceleration so that will help on the CPU/battery drain. We'll see once the reviews come out.
Supposedly, ICS allows for hardware acceleration so that will help on the CPU/battery drain. We'll see once the reviews come out.
usctrojancpa
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Can't they just invent a battery that has a larger energy capacity?irvinehomeowner said:
irvinehomeowner
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The problem is size and weight.USCTrojanCPA said:
If you look at the batteries in the bigger 4"+ phones... you'll see they are almost the size of the old candy bar phones we used to use pre-smartphone.
roundcorners
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Now that my personal angst is out of the way... let's focus back on the task at hand mainly ICS and which devices will it land on...
As I understand it...http://www.androidcentral.com/android-aosp-source-code-back-online-new-home
Google will be releasing the ICS source code (the AOSP), unlike just the SDK with HC
SDK - which is just a skeleton that developers need to make apps & half ports from... the AOSP is used or the kernel is used to make custom ROMS like Cyanogen with Gingerbread, We never got the full Honeycomb kernel so no full ROMS of Honeycomb was ever made... I can hope for CM9, ICS to run on my phone, when it comes out, you know RC will be all over that!
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/ics-sdk-finally-hits-the-streets-now-the-real-race-begins/
Here are the main reasons why I root my phone...http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/top-10-reasons-to-root-your-android-phone-2/
I wanted full access to my robot, I want to see which apps are using which resource and kill it; although using an task manager is not really good; I wanted a custom boot screen, custom buttons and icons where and how I want it, performance is vastly improved not just from Froyo to GB, but there are no bottlenecks to the system, browser and apps open just faster... there is actually not that much risk to it if you use a common ROM like CM7, it's been widely tested and feedback is constantly given...
here is why I choose CM7 over my stock Froyo Sense Rom...http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/the-complete-review-of-cyanogenmod-7-walkthrough-guide/
Here is a nice general article of ICS - what now?http://www.androidcentral.com/ice-cream-sandwich-what-happens-next
Galaxy Nexus is actually expected to hit ALL 7 US Carriershttp://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-galaxy-nexus-signup-sheet-shows-7-us-carriers
Hit this site.. check it out for yourself... we know it's coming to Verizons CDMA 4G LTE... but GSM is what the world uses, and it will come...http://www.samsung.com/us/register/galaxynexus/
Here is another article on predictions of which devices will get ICS love... (Yes my phone is on the list, basically any phone that runs GB should be able to run ICS)http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-ice-cream-sandwich
Here is a nice article of Galaxy Nexus versus the RAZRhttp://phandroid.com/2011/10/20/galaxy-nexus-vs-droid-razr/
As of this morning one guy over at XDA was able to get a half baked ICS onto his Nexus One!http://phandroid.com/2011/10/21/and...-nexus-one-doesnt-perform-terribly-bad-video/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dyPeT-ZUbBw[/youtube]
And you aren't ready to jump on the experimental ICS ROMS ay least for CM7 users we can get the ICS themes... again another reason to be rooted is custom CM7 themes...http://phandroid.com/2011/10/20/get...-sandwich-on-your-rooted-device-now-download/
Lastly, talking about SJ biography, did anyone see what he said about Android?
Apparently Android was more of a threat than we all knew, this again explains why Apple launched and continues to launch so many lawsuits.
Steve Jobs hell bent on destroying Androidhttp://phandroid.com/2011/10/20/69655/
BONUS:
I am totally over Siri and every other voice control app out there... a new Android VC app is coming out by the minute... & I will continue to use it more and more, I must have took more than 20 Voice Notes this week, it works out great... but for the weekend... I'm using Pocket Stalin! have a good weekend... hummm... ICS Box half empty already!! Must get more...!!!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ix66ok4b670[/youtube]
As I understand it...http://www.androidcentral.com/android-aosp-source-code-back-online-new-home
Google will be releasing the ICS source code (the AOSP), unlike just the SDK with HC
SDK - which is just a skeleton that developers need to make apps & half ports from... the AOSP is used or the kernel is used to make custom ROMS like Cyanogen with Gingerbread, We never got the full Honeycomb kernel so no full ROMS of Honeycomb was ever made... I can hope for CM9, ICS to run on my phone, when it comes out, you know RC will be all over that!
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/ics-sdk-finally-hits-the-streets-now-the-real-race-begins/
Here are the main reasons why I root my phone...http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/top-10-reasons-to-root-your-android-phone-2/
I wanted full access to my robot, I want to see which apps are using which resource and kill it; although using an task manager is not really good; I wanted a custom boot screen, custom buttons and icons where and how I want it, performance is vastly improved not just from Froyo to GB, but there are no bottlenecks to the system, browser and apps open just faster... there is actually not that much risk to it if you use a common ROM like CM7, it's been widely tested and feedback is constantly given...
here is why I choose CM7 over my stock Froyo Sense Rom...http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/the-complete-review-of-cyanogenmod-7-walkthrough-guide/
Here is a nice general article of ICS - what now?http://www.androidcentral.com/ice-cream-sandwich-what-happens-next
Galaxy Nexus is actually expected to hit ALL 7 US Carriershttp://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-galaxy-nexus-signup-sheet-shows-7-us-carriers
Hit this site.. check it out for yourself... we know it's coming to Verizons CDMA 4G LTE... but GSM is what the world uses, and it will come...http://www.samsung.com/us/register/galaxynexus/
Here is another article on predictions of which devices will get ICS love... (Yes my phone is on the list, basically any phone that runs GB should be able to run ICS)http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-ice-cream-sandwich
Here is a nice article of Galaxy Nexus versus the RAZRhttp://phandroid.com/2011/10/20/galaxy-nexus-vs-droid-razr/
As of this morning one guy over at XDA was able to get a half baked ICS onto his Nexus One!http://phandroid.com/2011/10/21/and...-nexus-one-doesnt-perform-terribly-bad-video/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dyPeT-ZUbBw[/youtube]
And you aren't ready to jump on the experimental ICS ROMS ay least for CM7 users we can get the ICS themes... again another reason to be rooted is custom CM7 themes...http://phandroid.com/2011/10/20/get...-sandwich-on-your-rooted-device-now-download/
Lastly, talking about SJ biography, did anyone see what he said about Android?
Apparently Android was more of a threat than we all knew, this again explains why Apple launched and continues to launch so many lawsuits.
Steve Jobs hell bent on destroying Androidhttp://phandroid.com/2011/10/20/69655/
BONUS:
I am totally over Siri and every other voice control app out there... a new Android VC app is coming out by the minute... & I will continue to use it more and more, I must have took more than 20 Voice Notes this week, it works out great... but for the weekend... I'm using Pocket Stalin! have a good weekend... hummm... ICS Box half empty already!! Must get more...!!!!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ix66ok4b670[/youtube]
irvinehomeowner
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Doesn't that tell you something that you have to root your phone to make Android work better?
I thought iOS was the only "walled garden".
I thought iOS was the only "walled garden".
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:
The rooting is get around the stuff that is put on there by the phone makers and carriers. Android itself has no restrictions (which is what you get when you root it). The restrictions are built into iOS.
Also you're talking about the Great Wall of China vs. your neighborhood yard fence when comparing the two.
irvinehomeowner
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But that's the point... the Android experience is so varied by maker/carrier... while some see it as variety... others see it as confusing. It's not only fragmented by Android version, but also by maker skins and carrier restrictions.
As for no restrictions... jailbroken iOS is pretty open too... so you can't really say it's "built into" the OS. It's probably easier to jb an iPhone than it is to root an Android... my non-techy relative was able to jb hers without my help... someone had to pay a guy to root his (booya!).
RC is being a bit misleading painting Android as the answer to everything... it has a looooong way to go, especially for the average consumer. You can't expect my mom to root her phone to make it easier for her to use... but she can use the iPhone out of the box.
Google messed up on their strategy... in trying to capture market share, they diluted their OS... and now they are trying to reunify it with a one OS for all version. I think that's a smart step... but there is still a consistency issue. Quite honestly, they should have focused on the Google phone approach, one phone for all carriers that gets updated on a cycle... they are trying to do that with the Nexus it may be too late... and the fact that they have to compete with themselves muddies the water. I would have let makers do their own phones... but I would have enforced the UI... pure Google only... no skins. It's nice to have options... but too many options could get confusing... let the aftermarket customize it, but in stores... the UI should be consistent.
As for no restrictions... jailbroken iOS is pretty open too... so you can't really say it's "built into" the OS. It's probably easier to jb an iPhone than it is to root an Android... my non-techy relative was able to jb hers without my help... someone had to pay a guy to root his (booya!).
RC is being a bit misleading painting Android as the answer to everything... it has a looooong way to go, especially for the average consumer. You can't expect my mom to root her phone to make it easier for her to use... but she can use the iPhone out of the box.
Google messed up on their strategy... in trying to capture market share, they diluted their OS... and now they are trying to reunify it with a one OS for all version. I think that's a smart step... but there is still a consistency issue. Quite honestly, they should have focused on the Google phone approach, one phone for all carriers that gets updated on a cycle... they are trying to do that with the Nexus it may be too late... and the fact that they have to compete with themselves muddies the water. I would have let makers do their own phones... but I would have enforced the UI... pure Google only... no skins. It's nice to have options... but too many options could get confusing... let the aftermarket customize it, but in stores... the UI should be consistent.
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:
Google's strategy was to get into the market before Apple took it all. That's exactly what Android did. It provided a viable alternative to iOS and now Google is going back to unify the OS. Fragmentation is not Google's fault...it's a result of the phone makers' slow response and the huge range in hardware for an Android system. There are many phones who simply don't have the specs to run the newer versions of Android. It is no different than my 5-year laptop not being able to run Windows 7.
I also do not understand the big deal about fragmentation. I have my phone and it works great. It should still work great in two years when Android 5.0 comes out. Yes, I won't have as many cool things on it but I only have one phone. It's like I am still fine with using XP even though new computers run Windows 7.
irvinehomeowner
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Win XP > Vista > Win 7 is not the same as the fragmentation Android has.
Win XP is similar to other Win XPs... and even to Vista and Win 7... more so than Android *within* the same version.
And the fragmentation with Android is *more* than just the version, it's also the hardware, the UI, the screen resolution and the capabilities. That makes it hard for everyone... including the developers. One app that works on one phone... won't another... and that's trouble. One of the tech blogs even wrote an article pointing out the different ways each phone orients the Home/Menu/Back/Search keys, even within a maker, they used different orders... huh?
I don't agree that they had to do what they did to gain market share. They should have enforced consistent UI, hardware requirements and updates... that was all possible when they entered the market because they were the only other viable finger touch OS around. You can even see by recent announcements they would have rather controlled it better. They didn't even release the Honeycomb version to open source because they wanted to reign it in.
Open source is great... but consistency is better... no matter how many people praise the flexibility of Linux... just like Android... there are too many flavors. It's no coincidence that Windows and OSX are the top market share of operating systems.
Win XP is similar to other Win XPs... and even to Vista and Win 7... more so than Android *within* the same version.
That is a direct consequence of wanting to be everywhere to everyone. It is Google's fault... they could have controlled their OS better with the handset makers. The handset makers WANTED to compete with Apple... so Google had the leverage, not the other way around.
And the fragmentation with Android is *more* than just the version, it's also the hardware, the UI, the screen resolution and the capabilities. That makes it hard for everyone... including the developers. One app that works on one phone... won't another... and that's trouble. One of the tech blogs even wrote an article pointing out the different ways each phone orients the Home/Menu/Back/Search keys, even within a maker, they used different orders... huh?
I don't agree that they had to do what they did to gain market share. They should have enforced consistent UI, hardware requirements and updates... that was all possible when they entered the market because they were the only other viable finger touch OS around. You can even see by recent announcements they would have rather controlled it better. They didn't even release the Honeycomb version to open source because they wanted to reign it in.
Open source is great... but consistency is better... no matter how many people praise the flexibility of Linux... just like Android... there are too many flavors. It's no coincidence that Windows and OSX are the top market share of operating systems.
roundcorners
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IHO... can I direct you to an article Phil over at AC did recently to address... Molly's rant from CNET... when the iPhone 4S came out...
Molly's Rant...http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20120623-256/dear-android-this-is-your-last-chance/
Phil's Reaction...http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
The reason why Android is the dominate mobile OS is because it can be everything to everyone...
http://staenz.com/600/best-android-phones-old-age-people/
Old people can use Android because there are entry level phones & apps that are tailored to them... for those who can distinguish that they want better Android features will have that option when they choose a phone...
And for those who know of advance features can choose them from a list of options if they choose to do a little research...
Molly's Rant...http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20120623-256/dear-android-this-is-your-last-chance/
Phil's Reaction...http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
The reason why Android is the dominate mobile OS is because it can be everything to everyone...
Old people can use Android because there are entry level phones & apps that are tailored to them... for those who can distinguish that they want better Android features will have that option when they choose a phone...
And for those who know of advance features can choose them from a list of options if they choose to do a little research...
irvinehomeowner
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Phil's article didn't really address the problem of fragmentation. He also took the "version" route which isn't the entirety of the issue of fragmentation. He tried to minimize it but that doesn't make it "not a problem".
It's a huge problem... even you admitted stressing out about it... more than once.
The irony here is Phil and the commenter's both say this: If you want the latest pure Android experience without having to root... buy the Nexus line. But then doesn't that go counter to being able to choose... iPhone's Achilles?
Google should have enforced Android uniformity from the get-go... so you had your choice of phones or carriers but the experience was similar. It would have led to a more stable OS perception... but instead you get this finger pointing where customers say that Android sucks when it's really the maker or the carrier not correctly implementing the OS or adding their own restrictions.
Again, just like you rant against iOS and prop Android up as the meaning of life... I'm presenting the other side... and I think I have a more balanced viewpoint because I have both OSes in phone and tablet format... whereas you have an old Android phone that you don't even use as a phone.
And remember... this thread was about iPad dominance... everyone is already saying that right now... there is no tablet market... it's just an iPad market. I don't like that as much as you don't... and I'm pointing out what needs to be fixed to change that.
P.S. Wanna buy my Transformer? I want to get the new Transformer Prime!
It's a huge problem... even you admitted stressing out about it... more than once.
The irony here is Phil and the commenter's both say this: If you want the latest pure Android experience without having to root... buy the Nexus line. But then doesn't that go counter to being able to choose... iPhone's Achilles?
Google should have enforced Android uniformity from the get-go... so you had your choice of phones or carriers but the experience was similar. It would have led to a more stable OS perception... but instead you get this finger pointing where customers say that Android sucks when it's really the maker or the carrier not correctly implementing the OS or adding their own restrictions.
Again, just like you rant against iOS and prop Android up as the meaning of life... I'm presenting the other side... and I think I have a more balanced viewpoint because I have both OSes in phone and tablet format... whereas you have an old Android phone that you don't even use as a phone.
And remember... this thread was about iPad dominance... everyone is already saying that right now... there is no tablet market... it's just an iPad market. I don't like that as much as you don't... and I'm pointing out what needs to be fixed to change that.
P.S. Wanna buy my Transformer? I want to get the new Transformer Prime!
roundcorners
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Ouch, IHO if I didn't have thick skin I would be rather hurt right now... this is one of the reasons why I try not to check my posts thruout the day...
I do use my phone to call but I don't give out the number... the only reason why even have an Android was that my job required one, up to this year I was still content with voice & text... I am simply amazed and still am everyday I use my robot and I wish everyone including apple users share my sentiments...
you're right if I started out with an iPhone maybe ill be the biggest fan but I didn't and I am loyal to my tech... and the freedom & choices Android has given me...
Btw. I'm waiting for the galaxy note, that way I can use as tab, phone & smartphone
I do use my phone to call but I don't give out the number... the only reason why even have an Android was that my job required one, up to this year I was still content with voice & text... I am simply amazed and still am everyday I use my robot and I wish everyone including apple users share my sentiments...
you're right if I started out with an iPhone maybe ill be the biggest fan but I didn't and I am loyal to my tech... and the freedom & choices Android has given me...
Btw. I'm waiting for the galaxy note, that way I can use as tab, phone & smartphone
irvinehomeowner
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Really? Maybe you should Google "glass house". If you throw, you have to be able to catch too.roundcorners said:
You'll find that your experience will be the similar with whatever choice you made. I'm not a fan of my Android phone right now... the ringer is not working and my 1st alarm isn't going off... and cycling the power isn't helping. The problem here is it's probably the hardware's fault but I can't be sure until I jump through hoops to find out. I don't have time for hoops.
Too big. I don't even like the 4"+ phones... sure I have big pockets but I don't want to start carrying around a murse.
roundcorners
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I have no doubt that I would have had the same "experience" as far as function wise with an iPhone, afterall they pioneered the technology. I guess what bothers me the most with most "i" users these days is their ego-centric view of the world of tech. I do believe most honestly don't know, don't care or don't bother to explore other options out there. This is not the year 05, 06 or even 07. This is 2011 and there are plenty of options as good or better or at least more economical than owning an "i" device.
Sure there is differences in UI say between a htc & moto, but if that is the case, and it bothers you that much, stay with the same manufacturer.
Now.. onto to today's post...
My old phone still have lots if tricks up it's sleeves, just because it's a year old doesn't even remotely mean it's ready to retire.
One resource intensive feature that it still handles beautifully is video conferencing.
I don't have to video conference for work so it's not a cititcal function but that has not stopped me from experimented with a few apps for personal use. I also don't have a front facing camera but that also hasn't stopped me from keeping up with the latest and greatest gadgets to date.
The first app that I have ever used for video conferencing was Tango. I believe Tango was one of the firstVideo Conferencing Android app out there... I didn't know too many friends on Tango so I wasn't able to try it out too much but it worked.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.sgiggle.production&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zZ2lnZ2xlLnByb2R1Y3Rpb24iXQ..
Skype recently enable their video conferencing capabilities and released it systematically to numerous devices. I do have more friends on Skype, and now it is even easier to use. Skype won't switch to video if you start out with a regular phone call so if you want to video you have to chose that option right from the beginning.
Google plus huddles... has been great, but on my device; I have only had one face to face call with more than 4 people including myself. The video for those windows worked great.
Surprisingly I have yet to use the Video Chat option in my Gmail, and Android Talk app.
Now... in case you are wondering how I manage to video conference without a front facing camera...? Hint... use strategic placed mirrors...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzMRkI6pG6g&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Sure there is differences in UI say between a htc & moto, but if that is the case, and it bothers you that much, stay with the same manufacturer.
Now.. onto to today's post...
My old phone still have lots if tricks up it's sleeves, just because it's a year old doesn't even remotely mean it's ready to retire.
One resource intensive feature that it still handles beautifully is video conferencing.
I don't have to video conference for work so it's not a cititcal function but that has not stopped me from experimented with a few apps for personal use. I also don't have a front facing camera but that also hasn't stopped me from keeping up with the latest and greatest gadgets to date.
The first app that I have ever used for video conferencing was Tango. I believe Tango was one of the firstVideo Conferencing Android app out there... I didn't know too many friends on Tango so I wasn't able to try it out too much but it worked.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.sgiggle.production&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zZ2lnZ2xlLnByb2R1Y3Rpb24iXQ..
Skype recently enable their video conferencing capabilities and released it systematically to numerous devices. I do have more friends on Skype, and now it is even easier to use. Skype won't switch to video if you start out with a regular phone call so if you want to video you have to chose that option right from the beginning.
Google plus huddles... has been great, but on my device; I have only had one face to face call with more than 4 people including myself. The video for those windows worked great.
Surprisingly I have yet to use the Video Chat option in my Gmail, and Android Talk app.
Now... in case you are wondering how I manage to video conference without a front facing camera...? Hint... use strategic placed mirrors...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzMRkI6pG6g&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]