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YellowFever said:
AW said:
Any examples on cancer and trash workers?  Because they haul and drive trash for prolonged periods.
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No, you want to honestly know why?  Are you sure, you're ready for the truth?

Here's the why, and the truth:

1) Because they're probably most likely all border-hoppers and low income dudes and nobody gives a flying s*** about them and so nobody is going to spend the time to advocate and fight for them and spend the money to do research on that area.

There I said it!  When's the last time you saw a 6foot2 white guy in a suit picking up garbage? There's generally ONLY one or two kinds of ethnicity predominantly doing this kind of job...

Secondly.....

Trash that has been throw into our garbage in our daily lives doesn't begin to "decay" as fast so to speak so it's not as harmful.  Plenty of us have gone through digging our trash looking for stuff we accidentally threw out.  Raccoons also go through household garbage.  Since garbage is picked up once per week, it does decay and generate foul smelling stuff. BUT, I'm almost certain that it has -NOT- decayed to the point where it is at a level of a landfill in which it begins to create 1) leachate 2) and gases .  So that is why!  Plenty of us begin to throw out left-over food in the refrigerator the day before trash pick-up. You'd be an idiot to throw out raw chicken and let it sit in your trash can and garage for 1 week.  The smell on day 4 would be terrible but not necessarily "harmful" to breathe yet. By the time it reaches the landfill and 2-3 weeks have passed, then SURE!



There are however studies for sewage workers that have been exposed to fecal matter.  Now -THAT- is much more decayed biomatter because when food passes through our intestines, bacteria grows on it already and when it comes out of our butt, it is seriously biohazardous!  ;D

"An increased risk for gastric cancer among sewage workers has been described in several studies. During the last decade, the bacterium Helicobacter pylori has emerged as one important risk factor for gastric cancer and is now considered a class I carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer. Friis et al."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2796749/
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I don't buy that, for example, WM is a publicly traded company, I don't think they can hire border hoppers to run the majority of the operations.  And people would care in this area, because if something does come up, it can lead to a class action lawsuit, trash is a profitable business.

And some of the workers actually make more than the folks in Irvine, haha:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/

Bowerman covers and seals the trash cells pretty fast to capture the methane gas to make money off of it.

I really think you need to go to the tour and ask them all your questions as they should have answers instead of googling stuff, it's only 1-2 hours, not prolonged exposure
 
AW said:
YellowFever said:
AW said:
Any examples on cancer and trash workers?  Because they haul and drive trash for prolonged periods.
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No, you want to honestly know why?  Are you sure, you're ready for the truth?

Here's the why, and the truth:

1) Because they're probably most likely all border-hoppers and low income dudes and nobody gives a flying s*** about them and so nobody is going to spend the time to advocate and fight for them and spend the money to do research on that area.

There I said it!  When's the last time you saw a 6foot2 white guy in a suit picking up garbage? There's generally ONLY one or two kinds of ethnicity predominantly doing this kind of job...

Secondly.....

Trash that has been throw into our garbage in our daily lives doesn't begin to "decay" as fast so to speak so it's not as harmful.  Plenty of us have gone through digging our trash looking for stuff we accidentally threw out.  Raccoons also go through household garbage.  Since garbage is picked up once per week, it does decay and generate foul smelling stuff. BUT, I'm almost certain that it has -NOT- decayed to the point where it is at a level of a landfill in which it begins to create 1) leachate 2) and gases .  So that is why!  Plenty of us begin to throw out left-over food in the refrigerator the day before trash pick-up. You'd be an idiot to throw out raw chicken and let it sit in your trash can and garage for 1 week.  The smell on day 4 would be terrible but not necessarily "harmful" to breathe yet. By the time it reaches the landfill and 2-3 weeks have passed, then SURE!



There are however studies for sewage workers that have been exposed to fecal matter.  Now -THAT- is much more decayed biomatter because when food passes through our intestines, bacteria grows on it already and when it comes out of our butt, it is seriously biohazardous!  ;D

"An increased risk for gastric cancer among sewage workers has been described in several studies. During the last decade, the bacterium Helicobacter pylori has emerged as one important risk factor for gastric cancer and is now considered a class I carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer. Friis et al."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2796749/
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I don't buy that, for example, WM is a publicly traded company, I don't think they can hire border hoppers to run the majority of the operations.  And people would care in this area, because if something does come up, it can lead to a class action lawsuit, trash is a profitable business.

And some of the workers actually make more than the folks in Irvine, haha:http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/

Bowerman covers and seals the trash cells pretty fast to capture the methane gas to make money off of it.

I really think you need to go to the tour and ask them all your questions as they should have answers instead of googling stuff, it's only 1-2 hours, not prolonged exposure
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Aw - Take a look at fast food workers/restaurant workers
Do you think the workers are all legit?

(Disclaimer - I am not an expert in restaurants. I am simply asking a question. For conversation purposes)  ;)  :)



 
So where does YellowFever work? I'm sure you're exposed to toxicity 8 hours a day... are you going to change jobs and work in the forest? :)
 
YellowFever said:
Everyone keeps asking me that.
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Because you're so over the top about hazard exposure and most work places have high exposure to radiation/electricity/etc (computers everywhere) so why aren't you worried about that?

Just using a computer to work on your spreadsheet probably took 6 months off your lifespan.

Just sayin'. :)
 
Probably, the reason people ask you this question is because they are impressed by your research.
Btw, when you assign "2" to orchard hills on hazard sheet for proximity to power substation, OH score becomes "16"-- same as PS1. Just saying ;)
 
YellowFever said:
Well, as I mentioned before, if I am going to die because of a certain risk or hazard, then I want all my family, friends, coworkers, dog, cat, etc. to get exposed to it equally so I would feel happy about it.

The problem I have is if I get cancer/die simply because I was exposed to a particular hazard that nobody else, not my coworker, friends, family, dog, cat were exposed to and that hazard accelerated my demise. And if the only action I would have taken to not get cancer was to simply avoid it, then I would feel so sad and pissed and angry at myself for letting only myself become exposed to that.  Does this make sense?

We are all exposed to electronics so in the case of y=mx+b (the b-intercept for electronics) is equal for mostly everyone and just shifts the curve up.  The problem is when you introduce more hazards than your peers. Then the curve is no longer y=mx+b. The 'm' slope starts to get steeper than your peers.

80% of my friends and family don't live in Irvine. So they are not subjected to TCE and landfill. They are probably subjected to other stuff that are probably LESS harmful than TCE and landfill. So we're talking about 'acceleration' rate here.

I want to have the SAME EXACT or BETTER(lower) acceleration rate of cancer as my friends, family, peers, coworkers, etc.  Certain hazards have significantly higher accelerated cancer development than others. We already know pesticides were responsible for childhood cancers/tumors in Quail Hill. It accelerated the odds by so much the kids didn't even need to wait until their adult years to develop the cancer versus the kid who sleeps with a cellphone underneath a pillow (radiation). That's my point.
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That's some good dancing. Could it be you may be exposed to higher than average toxicity at your work but don't want to admit it?

If this was really an issue for you, you would find a job that has very low exposure, as that would make up for your "living in Irvine exposure". But like people who need to live somewhere, you also have to make more money than a forest ranger or a fisherman.

I think all these things you mention fall within the standard deviation... there are many other things like family history, genetics, diet, etc that increase your odds even more, but I'm not a doctor.

I've lived in Woodbridge for years, I lived by a freeway for years, I lived near power lines for years (most of my adolescent life)... I must be immune. :)

I am looking forward to your hazard by workplace spreadsheet.
 
YellowFever said:
This "machine" I'm talking about does not exist and probably won't exist until maybe the year 2500.  ;D
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We can possibly have that by 2025.  IMO, we are going to see a lot of advances in medicine due to advances in technology in the next few years.
 
I have some navy buddies who swear environmental conditions affect fertility. Specifically, crew who work in reactor rooms seem to only be able to have daughters and crew who work on radar masts have difficulty having kids at all.
 
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