Woodbury - Cortile

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bkshopr,





not bad... i am single and relatively young (approaching 30 but thats still young right? right???) i do enjoy cooking and do it more often than not. and while i would love a kitchen that had space for an island, theres as much countertop space in the plan one as most homes. where the detached condos are lacking is in the bathrooms. they are like cruise ship bathrooms, hah. however, like you mentioned, i also think the plan one is generally the smartest use of 1000 sq ft that i've seen especially considering the patio and attached garage.





i do not play warcraft and that sort of thing. in other words im not one of those young asian males whose rooms consist of a giant gaming/pc terminal and basketball posters on the wall. in my case i put 25% down but you're probably right about many of the other homeowners. i recall the sales rep telling me how i'd be happier in the long run since i made such a large down. i said, large? 20-25% is average right? apparently not. so if mine was considered large i would say my neighbors have substantially larger loans.





regarding the laundry, i've never lived in a house that had the laundry machine inside. they were always in the garage or separate area right next to the garage. so when i was house hunting i thought the upstairs laundry next to bedrooms was sort of odd. i can see the convenience factor but i worried about noise, heat, and potential water damage issues. the tandem parking is the biggest downside of the plan one. no problem with car doors if you have a sedan and i've seen neighbors park suvs in the plan one garages. i can even move my trashcans in and out around my car in the garage. not big deal for me but definitely is for my roommate but fortunately he doesnt care and parks outside. i do see most of the neighbors garages filled with stuff which does bother me. visibility is terrible when trying to pull out of the driveways.





obviously when you start trying to guess specifics about daily behavior and specific likes/dislikes you're going to be more hit or miss but as far as the general demographics (age/race/general lifestyle/finances) you did a pretty good job. if you were to go up and down my street i think it's pretty much the same story for each type of plan.





plan ones are occupied by singles or young couples (late 20s-mid 30s)


plan twos are young couples or families although my neighbors have college age children


plan three and fours are more established families with children or empty nesters





rereading that, sounds like a pretty broad brush though.





i'd be interested to see you do similar analysis on others... new thread? how accurately bkshopr does profiles you!

 
"<strong><em>.....the toxic activities ........black smoke from burning chemical..."





</em></strong>I was in the military for 10 plus years...l will never consider buying VOC. <strong><em>


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After visting Vientos for the first time we went back to compare the Cortile models.The optional "flex space" for residence 1 will tack on an additional $8K...Residence 3 at Vientos is the same price, less the $8K flex space, and has 200 additonal square feet. I liked the Vientos floor plan much better. But, there was something about Portola Springs that just did not feel quite right, and not as nice as Woodbury. But maybe that is because it is less developed? Even though it is just down the road Woodbury it felt much further away...
 
<p>Visited here today. Prices remain the same from the February and March numbers above. According the sales person there will be one more phase after the current one --- which I believe is #12. No Plan 4's in the current release, but they will be available in the next release. Her excited comment that "there is still going to be a lot of opportunity to buy here" gave me the feeling these last phases are not exactly jumping off the shelf. </p>

<p>I think I will take a pass on all that opportunity.</p>
 
how many homes are stacked in each courtyard for vientos? i thought vientos was more comparable to bowen court than cortile.


vientos = higher end version of bowen court


decada = higher end version of cortile





reason i ask is because of street parking is bad enough as it is with 6 houses per courtyard. with 8 it could be realy ugly. even if you dont park on the street, it causes visibility problems when you're pulling out of the driveways.
 
<p>Acpme,</p>

<p>Vientos ( 8 pack) is exactly like Bowen Court. The exterior stairs is gone and the plan two powder was replaced by a better 3/4 bath. The depth is deeper than Cortile but the width is the same. You can park exactly the same number of cars on the curbside as Cortile. There are 2 more guest parking stalls inside the garage alley between plan1 and plan2. This is the highest density.</p>

<p>Cortile (6 pack) is wider and deeper than Decada. Number of spaces on curb side are the same for both. This is the medium density. Extra curb side parking are picked up by the end units since the block depth is longer than Decada.</p>

<p>Decada is the biggest and the most luxurious of the detached condos. The curb side parking is the same as Cortile but has 2 less homes fighting for them. </p>

<p>Sienna is a project currently featured in the builder's website. I heard it will be a much better design than Decada. This project with new plans incorporated most of the consumers' comments over the last several generations : Wisteria, San Simeon, Arborel, Mericourt and Decada.</p>
 
<p>Came in the mail today (price sheet dated 12/3/07)</p>

<p>One: $524,701</p>

<p>Two: $557,264</p>

<p>Three: $588,202</p>

<p>Four : Sold out</p>

<p>No mention of incentives.</p>
 
<p>Blue Fire, </p>

<p>In scrolling back up to the April comments, it appears the pricing hasn't changed since then. Wow. I'm guessing there has to be incentives... </p>
 
trooper-

Its definitely possible. If you make a direct inquiry to the sales office I would not be surprised if you'd be offered some incentives, though they are certainly not making any of them clear in their marketing mailers. Personally, this doesn't seem like a good marketing strategy to me, but who am I to judge...
 
Maybe the builders don't want to tell the current owners that they got a bad deal on their house. But they are willing to whisper it to potential new buyers.



Also, it encourages the potential buyers to talk to the builder if they are interested. It's almost like buying a car -- the dealer won't tell you the actual price over the phone and will get you to visit their dealership.
 
I was there on jan 10(?) and they had 1,2 and 3 available... and they were priced much higher.



1 - $524k, 2 - $557k, 3 - $588



quite a drop... but still way too high, these (res.1,2) "detached condos" are < 1200 sq.ft.
 
dang! $524K to $450k already? i was there last weekend but i can't remember what it was (i was there to help my friends look).
 
Yup, still way too high. I can't believe anyone would buy at these prices. There are great bargains to be had in the used market, why buy an overpriced new one? Not to mention how much better the bargains are going to get.
 
<p>That's it --- since these homes are now only worth $500k, I'm definitely taking the $600k cash out option instead of the house when I win the Irvine Public School Foundation raffle!</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ipsf.net/index.asp?id=63">http://www.ipsf.net/index.asp?id=63</a></p>

<p> </p>
 
<strong> Phase 12 - Pricing as of 09/2006


</strong>Residence 1 - $568,905


Residence 2 - $607,335


Residence 3 - $638,650


Residence 4 - $714,495





<strong>Phase Unknown - Pricing as of 2/23/2008</strong>


Residence 1 - $458,000


Residence 2 - $502,000


Residence 3 - $529,000


Residence 4 - $570,000








So I visited Cortile yesterday to purchase my raffle ticket. They had a bouncey-type obstacle course thing set up for the kids, and they were grilling burgers in the parking lot too. My son had fun playing all by himself on the bouncey thing, I bought my ticket, and we went on a quick tour. The sales people weren't all that friendly inside the office but the gals selling IPSF tickets were very nice.





I pulled Zovall's earlier pricing data from the top of this thread and put it here so you can see the amount that all the models, including Residence 4 (the house being raffled off) have been reduced. In 18 months, the list price has dropped from $714,495 to $570,000, a reduction of $144,495, or 20%.





The flyer attached to the official entry form indicates that the Grand Prize is a $639,000 home. That's already off by $69,000! I just checked the <a href="http://www.ipsf.net">raffle's website </a> and the official rules still state that you have the option of choosing a prize of $600,000 in cash instead of the house. The tickets will be sold all summer, with the drawing taking place on August 9th. That is more than four months away. In that time, I believe it is not out of bounds to suspect that the price of this condo will drop some more.





So that puts the Irvine Public Schools Foundation into quite a sticky-wicket. Who in her/his right mind would choose the house when the cash option is of significantly higher value?





Certainly not me. That 600k (okay, more like 350k after taxes) will supplement my 2009/2010 house purchase down payment quite nicely, thank you very much!
 
1 and 4 would automatically be out for me. A tandem garage in residence 1? But, seriously...two single-car garages in 4, which used to cost $714k?





Those single-car garages would be great for roommates, but I can't see too many families wanting them.
 
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