Why Irvine Consistently Ranks As The Safest City In America
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I know this question is not for me, but I think they (we) both realize if you walk into the central jail facility, we are not the primary demographic you will see there. I think we both look more sideways at the kind of people that are. And if those people were to move into our area, we would say, "There goes the neighborhood" as our U-Haul is loaded up out front.
2. The Great Balloon
3. IHO View Lot (same as #2)
Here is a $9M home in the ghetto. http://corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/2635682
As for Asians,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_Brooklyn
Brooklyn
10% asian
34% black
$32,135 median income
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Brooklyn
Partly, but race is still the biggie regardless of income or education. That's why African immigrants are the "Invisible Model Minority" (see below) even though they are the most educated group of immigrants, even more than Asians.
"Asian Americans have the lowest total arrest rates" -- that's the safety thing I was mentioning.
'Asian Americans are labeled as model minorities because they have not been as much of a "threat" to the US political establishment as blacks, due to a smaller population and less political advocacy.' My own link: Asians only make up 5.1% of the US population. There are nearly three times as many blacks.http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
See: Model Minority
Time to get a divorce attorney.
paperboyNC
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I was talking to my co-workers at lunch about the Huntington Beach "riots" and realized a few things about Irvine:
All of these things that bring in tourists bring in crime since tourists don't care as much about the neighborhood. Irvine doesn't have almost any tourist attractions.
- No tourist attractions (like Disneyland)
- No Professional Sports Arenas
- No Beaches
All of these things that bring in tourists bring in crime since tourists don't care as much about the neighborhood. Irvine doesn't have almost any tourist attractions.
socal78
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world chaos said:
I know this question is not for me, but I think they (we) both realize if you walk into the central jail facility, we are not the primary demographic you will see there. I think we both look more sideways at the kind of people that are. And if those people were to move into our area, we would say, "There goes the neighborhood" as our U-Haul is loaded up out front.
irvinehomeowner
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1. BoomerspaperboyNC said:
2. The Great Balloon
3. IHO View Lot (same as #2)
test said:
Here is a $9M home in the ghetto. http://corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/2635682
As for Asians,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_Brooklyn
FRguy said:
Brooklyn
10% asian
34% black
$32,135 median income
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Brooklyn
changm55
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true, asians are the most affluent minority group, but i feel that this is because we are much more willing and aggressive in assimulating into corporate america and and adopt those cultures/values as a means to succeed or open opportunities... thus whites accept us "better" then other minority groups... adopting anothers culture is never "easy" and its never because we truly "want" to... i say this because asian american culture vs asian culture (in asia) is quite different... heck even asian american high income vs asian american low income culture is different... when i speak of culture i also mean social norms and traditions...
little off topic, but personally, i feel this is a white mans world, and only because they have the most money (assets)... (we talk a lot on the forums about the "rich" chinese, but heck they are honestly a piece of shit compared to the assets of white folks (who pretty much make up the majority of the 1% of the 1%)... ppl who complain about FCBs (whether its china money or middle eastern oil money) honestly have no idea how western society operates)... like the saying dont hate the player hate the game haha... but i accept western society to get ahead/adapt or whatever u want to call it, heck learned to embrace this, and actually found it very very empowering... but for one me, theres like ten of my friends who refuse to work or live anywhere outside of asia even when provided equivalent levels of education and/or opportunities... these are personal choices, and im just giving this example to back up my case where ppl are never willing to "give up" their culture easily shining some light on the "other" end of the spectrum... i mean im sure we all know some guy who grew up in san gabriel who lived here their entire lives but still talks in broken or heavily accented english... do u truly feel these folks are readily accepted by whites?
anyhow, perhaps im not giving whites enough credit, but if whites were to take a "walk" through flushing or san gabriel, i truly dont think they will be "comfortable" with the "culture" there even if they stuck some new stucco and made all the buildings nice and new... but with whites, there are coastal and/or city whites vs the rest of the whites... they shouldnt be stereotyped into one class either... coastal and/or city whites are much more educated, wealthy and thus in turn accommodating to minorities then the whites from the rest of this country... so even if a coastal and/or city white may feel comfortable walking through flushing or san gabriel on a day to day basis, i seriously seriously doubt a white from the rest of the country could be able to say the same thing...
thus i dont see how culture is part of the equation unless ur talking about asians and their willingness to adopt corporate american culture... hence why i feel there is a certain level of education and wealth that is a prerequisite for asians and whites to get along... cause once u achieve a certain level of education and wealth, it usually means u adopted corporate american culture or at least learned to excel in it... so asian vs white perceived similarities in "culture" is a by product of education and wealth, not the other way around...
this seems to be true with most mix raced asian and white couples... education and wealth play a bigger part compared to culture... we cant get data on "culture", so most studies then compare by simply race ie whites marrying hispanics, asians, etc... and most of these studies have shown if one is at a certain education level and social economic status, the probability of white marrying hispanics, asians, etc do not deviate too much, thus culture is nulled... (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/)
of course this is just how i personally feel from my own life experience and upbringing (and particularly from a asian male perspective... from an asian female perspective its a whole different ball game)... and more often then not, i am wrong lol
little off topic, but personally, i feel this is a white mans world, and only because they have the most money (assets)... (we talk a lot on the forums about the "rich" chinese, but heck they are honestly a piece of shit compared to the assets of white folks (who pretty much make up the majority of the 1% of the 1%)... ppl who complain about FCBs (whether its china money or middle eastern oil money) honestly have no idea how western society operates)... like the saying dont hate the player hate the game haha... but i accept western society to get ahead/adapt or whatever u want to call it, heck learned to embrace this, and actually found it very very empowering... but for one me, theres like ten of my friends who refuse to work or live anywhere outside of asia even when provided equivalent levels of education and/or opportunities... these are personal choices, and im just giving this example to back up my case where ppl are never willing to "give up" their culture easily shining some light on the "other" end of the spectrum... i mean im sure we all know some guy who grew up in san gabriel who lived here their entire lives but still talks in broken or heavily accented english... do u truly feel these folks are readily accepted by whites?
anyhow, perhaps im not giving whites enough credit, but if whites were to take a "walk" through flushing or san gabriel, i truly dont think they will be "comfortable" with the "culture" there even if they stuck some new stucco and made all the buildings nice and new... but with whites, there are coastal and/or city whites vs the rest of the whites... they shouldnt be stereotyped into one class either... coastal and/or city whites are much more educated, wealthy and thus in turn accommodating to minorities then the whites from the rest of this country... so even if a coastal and/or city white may feel comfortable walking through flushing or san gabriel on a day to day basis, i seriously seriously doubt a white from the rest of the country could be able to say the same thing...
thus i dont see how culture is part of the equation unless ur talking about asians and their willingness to adopt corporate american culture... hence why i feel there is a certain level of education and wealth that is a prerequisite for asians and whites to get along... cause once u achieve a certain level of education and wealth, it usually means u adopted corporate american culture or at least learned to excel in it... so asian vs white perceived similarities in "culture" is a by product of education and wealth, not the other way around...
this seems to be true with most mix raced asian and white couples... education and wealth play a bigger part compared to culture... we cant get data on "culture", so most studies then compare by simply race ie whites marrying hispanics, asians, etc... and most of these studies have shown if one is at a certain education level and social economic status, the probability of white marrying hispanics, asians, etc do not deviate too much, thus culture is nulled... (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/)
of course this is just how i personally feel from my own life experience and upbringing (and particularly from a asian male perspective... from an asian female perspective its a whole different ball game)... and more often then not, i am wrong lol
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changm55
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i actually frequent Brooklyn heights, a friend of mine is there... i also like dumbo... definitely very pricey place... i dont think i can afford it there
just remember this pizza place under the bridge... its pretty amazing... friend told me had something to do with the oven being like 100 years old or something
just remember this pizza place under the bridge... its pretty amazing... friend told me had something to do with the oven being like 100 years old or something
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socal78
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No Quarter said:
Partly, but race is still the biggie regardless of income or education. That's why African immigrants are the "Invisible Model Minority" (see below) even though they are the most educated group of immigrants, even more than Asians.
"Asian Americans have the lowest total arrest rates" -- that's the safety thing I was mentioning.
'Asian Americans are labeled as model minorities because they have not been as much of a "threat" to the US political establishment as blacks, due to a smaller population and less political advocacy.' My own link: Asians only make up 5.1% of the US population. There are nearly three times as many blacks.http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
See: Model Minority
changm55
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The invisible model minority example u provided sorta contradicts ur point that race is still the biggie regardless of education or income...
Cause if race was the main reason African Americans are over represented in jail, then African immigrants should also be overepresented in jail as well, but they aren't... Rather African Immigrants have high levels of education and are actually overepresented in high salary positions....
So u sorta just backed up quarters point in that its not about any sort of racial profile
Cause if race was the main reason African Americans are over represented in jail, then African immigrants should also be overepresented in jail as well, but they aren't... Rather African Immigrants have high levels of education and are actually overepresented in high salary positions....
So u sorta just backed up quarters point in that its not about any sort of racial profile
irvinehomeowner
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Crap... now you tell me.SoCal said:
Time to get a divorce attorney.
socal78
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How does it contradict? It says Americans are prejudice against them regardless how well they do. Race is the biggie. It's pretty straightforward.
I thought the original question was why whites feel more comfortable with Asians as opposed to whites and other minority groups. You are Asian. I am white. And you are going to tell me how whites feel?? I don't understand. Wouldn't I know how they feel, what they talk about amongst themselves, and what they think? I'm not saying I personally think that. I'm a "coastal white"
according to you but my family is mostly midwestern and podunk town whites. Especially for older generation whites this is true.
"If American blacks". If. If. If. "they could be." Could. Could. Could. Ok, sure. If. Could be. I'm not saying they couldn't be but we're talking about what is going on here currently, not someplace in an alternate universe in the future. The article is saying the blacks who are educated, come here and are not received as positively as other minorities because of their negative association with their African American "cousins". I can't disagree with that. Like you said, it's a white man's world. In my humble white opinion, the Asians are better received than blacks. Don't take my word for it. Ask a black person what it's like to be black in America. Perhaps I've misunderstood the question, but I thought the question posed was why whites and Asians are "homies". Fwiw, I think whites also take more kindly to Hispanics than blacks. Culturally, Hispanics are more similar to us. All four of my brothers married Hispanic women. It was like no biggie in my family even though our dad is from a very backwards area. It would have been a bigger deal if they were black. Just being honest.
I thought the original question was why whites feel more comfortable with Asians as opposed to whites and other minority groups. You are Asian. I am white. And you are going to tell me how whites feel?? I don't understand. Wouldn't I know how they feel, what they talk about amongst themselves, and what they think? I'm not saying I personally think that. I'm a "coastal white"
according to you but my family is mostly midwestern and podunk town whites. Especially for older generation whites this is true. "If American blacks". If. If. If. "they could be." Could. Could. Could. Ok, sure. If. Could be. I'm not saying they couldn't be but we're talking about what is going on here currently, not someplace in an alternate universe in the future. The article is saying the blacks who are educated, come here and are not received as positively as other minorities because of their negative association with their African American "cousins". I can't disagree with that. Like you said, it's a white man's world. In my humble white opinion, the Asians are better received than blacks. Don't take my word for it. Ask a black person what it's like to be black in America. Perhaps I've misunderstood the question, but I thought the question posed was why whites and Asians are "homies". Fwiw, I think whites also take more kindly to Hispanics than blacks. Culturally, Hispanics are more similar to us. All four of my brothers married Hispanic women. It was like no biggie in my family even though our dad is from a very backwards area. It would have been a bigger deal if they were black. Just being honest.
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changm55
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I see... Ur talking about hidden bias being the "biggie"... I wrongly assumed we were talking about why blacks are overepresented in jail lol
Also I was more looking at the stats on the invisible model minority cause it says they get paid more even with the same degrees so I'm a bit confused.. Didn't mean to offend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority#Socioeconomics
Also I was more looking at the stats on the invisible model minority cause it says they get paid more even with the same degrees so I'm a bit confused.. Didn't mean to offend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority#Socioeconomics
