What happened to new jumbo loan limit?

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
Well, OF COURSE someone in the business--that includes me--is going to "lock up a pipeline" as quickly as possible. And anyone with any experience during crunch times knows that the rules are "first in/first out." I have at least two dozen past clients who would love to obtain a half point rate advantage on their mortgage indebtedness at no cost IF--and all responsible loan originators are going to carefully evaluate this--there's a true advantage to doing so.



Smart loan originators--that includes me--are re-strategizing, that's for sure, but that's true of anyone with longevity during a downturn in any industry. The spoils go to those who know how to zig when the rest of the industry is zagging.



Rest assured that most of CA is in a high cost area => $729,750 max loan amount.
 
<em><strong>"For another, nobody’s exactly sure what sort of guidelines Fannie and Freddie are going slap onto these newly-conforming — and higher risk — loans. Nor is anyone sure yet exactly how these things will price."





</strong></em>This right here is the key part to this. If the risk pricing isn't that much different than current jumbo risk, then what good will it do? If the underwriting standards are tighter than current conforming, then what good will it do?
 
FHA Releases New Mortgage Limits for California Counties



FHA Max Limits Include 14 CA Counties



* FHA Press Release *



WASHINGTON - Tens of thousands of California families could be eligible this year to purchase or refinance their homes using affordable, government-backed mortgages, thanks to the economic growth package signed into law by President Bush. The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 will allow HUD's Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to temporarily increase its loan limits and insure larger mortgages at a more affordable price in high cost areas of the country.



"The Bush Administration is expanding the pool of eligible borrowers, enabling more American families to qualify for safe, affordable FHA-insured mortgage loans. These temporarily higher loan limits are a shot in the arm for communities trying to sustain property values, bringing much-needed liquidity to the mortgage market, while helping many current homeowners who desperately need to refinance," said HUD Secretary Alphonso Jackson at a forum on how to prevent foreclosure at the Operation Hope Center in Los Angeles and a Hope Now Alliance event in Anaheim.



Beginning tomorrow, HUD will offer temporary FHA loan limits that will range from $271,050 to $729,750. Overall, the change in loan limits will help provide economic stability to America 's communities and give nearly 240,000 additional homeowners and homebuyers a safer, more affordable mortgage alternative. The maximum amount of $729,750 will only be applicable to extremely high-cost metropolitan areas such as: Los Angeles County , San Francisco County , Orange County , and Santa Barbara County . Previously, FHA's loan limits in these very high-cost areas were capped at $362,790.



The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 permits FHA to insure loans on amounts up to 125 percent of the area median house price, when that amount is between the national minimum ($271,050) and maximum ($729,750). The new minimum and maximum loan limits are based on 65 percent and 175 percent of the conforming loan limits for Government-Sponsored Enterprises in 2008, which is $417,000. The FHA used a combination of existing government data sets and available commercial information to determine the median sales price for each area. The change in loan limits are applicable to all FHA-insured mortgage loans endorsed after HUD publishes the increased loan limits tomorrow, and it lasts until December 31, 2008 .



By increasing loan limits nationwide, FHA will provide much needed liquidity and stability to housing markets across the country. Already, as conventional sources of mortgage credit have been contracting, FHA has been filling the void. From September to December 2007, FHA facilitated more than $38 billion of much-needed mortgage activity in the housing market, more than $15 billion of which was through FHASecure, FHA's refinancing product. By focusing on 30-year fixed rate mortgages, FHA helps homeowners avoid and escape the risks associated exotic subprime mortgage products, which have resulted in rising default and foreclosure rates.



"This is not an easy crisis to address, and there is no silver-bullet, but I know that we can help hundreds of thousands of people keep their homes, and we can calm the waters," said Jackson .



In January 2009, FHA's maximum loan limit will return to $362,790, unless the U.S. Congress approves bipartisan legislation to permanently increase loan limits as part of the FHA Modernization bill, which is still awaiting final approval on Capitol Hill.



"In January 2009 the loan limits will return to their previous setting," Jackson said. "That is why we need to permanently raise the loan limits to an acceptable level that more accurately reflect housing prices nationwide. We also need to make the minimum down payment more flexible and create a fairer insurance premium structure. This will allow more families to use FHA."



FHA loan limits are based on the county in which the property is located. However, for properties located in metropolitan or micropolitan statistical areas, the limit is set at that of the county with the highest limit within the metropolitan or micropolitan area.



The new temporary FHA loan limits for California are attached below. The full text of the Secretary's remarks can be found on the HUD website.



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HUD is the nation's housing agency committed to increasing homeownership, particularly among minorities; creating affordable housing opportunities for low-income Americans; and supporting the homeless, elderly, people with disabilities and people living with AIDS. The Department also promotes economic and community development, and enforces the nation's fair housing laws. More information about HUD and its programs is available on the Internet at www.hud.gov and espanol.hud.gov. For more information about FHA products, please visit www.fha.gov.





California County Limits



Obs prop_addr_st county_nm med_price FHA_1unit

185 CA Alameda County 995000 729750 - MAX

186 CA Alpine County 438000 547500

187 CA Amador County 355000 443750

188 CA Butte County 320000 400000

189 CA Calaveras County 370000 462500

190 CA Colusa County 318000 397500

191 CA Contra Costa County 995000 729750 - MAX

192 CA Del Norte County 249000 311250

193 CA El Dorado County 464000 580000

194 CA Fresno County 305000 381250

195 CA Glenn County 230000 287500

196 CA Humboldt County 315000 393750

197 CA Imperial County 260000 325000

198 CA Inyo County 350000 437500

199 CA Kern County 295000 368750

200 CA Kings County 260000 325000

201 CA Lake County 321000 401250

202 CA Lassen County 200000 271050

203 CA Los Angeles County 710000 729750 - MAX

204 CA Madera County 340000 425000

205 CA Marin County 995000 729750 - MAX

206 CA Mariposa County 330000 412500

207 CA Mendocino County 410000 512500

208 CA Merced County 378000 472500

209 CA Modoc County 125000 271050

210 CA Mono County 370000 462500

211 CA Monterey County 599000 729750 - MAX

212 CA Napa County 615000 729750 - MAX

213 CA Nevada County 450000 562500

214 CA Orange County 710000 729750 - MAX

215 CA Placer County 464000 580000

216 CA Plumas County 328000 410000

217 CA Riverside County 400000 500000

218 CA Sacramento County 464000 580000

219 CA San Benito County 790000 729750 - MAX

220 CA San Bernardino County 400000 500000

221 CA San Diego County 558000 697500

222 CA San Francisco County 995000 729750 - MAX

223 CA San Joaquin County 391000 488750

224 CA San Luis Obispo County 550000 687500

225 CA San Mateo County 995000 729750 - MAX

226 CA Santa Barbara County 615000 729750 - MAX

227 CA Santa Clara County 790000 729750 - MAX

228 CA Santa Cruz County 719000 729750 - MAX

229 CA Shasta County 339000 423750

230 CA Sierra County 228000 285000

231 CA Siskiyou County 235000 293750

232 CA Solano County 446000 557500

233 CA Sonoma County 530000 662500

234 CA Stanislaus County 339000 423750

235 CA Sutter County 340000 425000

236 CA Tehama County 250000 312500

237 CA Trinity County 200000 271050

238 CA Tulare County 260000 325000

239 CA Tuolumne County 350000 437500

240 CA Ventura County 599000 729750 - MAX

241 CA Yolo County 464000 580000

242 CA Yuba County 340000 425000
 
Great, so how long will it be before the banks implement this? This raises all kinds of questions for us. We had an offer on our house that went away because the potential buyers were waiting for this plan to be finalized and implemented w/ the banks. Now we have a new lower offer that we were getting ready to accept. I wonder if we should call the previous offerer back and say, "Hey, the new limits are in. Now you can buy. Let's go w/ your original offer."



On the other hand, I wonder how this will impact ARM interest rates. My credit union just raised their juicy 5.25 to 5.5, which means for the 1.2M property we have our eye on, getting a loan w/ the credit union today vs. yesterday would cost us $200/mo. more ;. Maybe we should wait to see if the rates will go back down.
 
Fannie, Freddie, the Federal Reserve, OHFEO, the Treasury, the SEC, and the federal government can change limits, "adjust" interest rates, talk about cramdowns and rate freezes, and the <b>ONLY</b> thing that matters is whether or not investors are willing to purchase GSE securitzed mortgage backed paper. If investors do not provide the capital, it matters not one whit, what the terms are.<p>



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apo02K8ZFgA8&refer=home
 
giltee, several lenders have already indicated they will accept loan applications at the new conforming/lite jumbo loan limits. This is based on their anticipation that the Agencies will act quickly to price/purchase them.



You can expect rates on short to intermediate term ARMs (1-, 3-, 5- and 7-year) to decline after the Fed lowers rates on March 18.
 
If somone wanted to buy a home and wanted to use an ARM, wouldn't it be financially smarter to buy a home when interest rates were high and home prices were low, instead of a time like now, when interest rates are low and home prices are high?<p>

If you buy the home for less and interest rates are heading down, then your payment decreases and your home price increases.<p>

But, if you buy the home now for an outrageously high price while interest rates have no where to go but up, your payment increases and your asset depreciates.<p>

Isn't that what got a whole lot of home buyers in financial trouble?
 
Awgee - what you are saying makes too much sense for the general public to grasp, please use less logic next time.
 
awgee, I'm a proponent of "buy short, pay long." By that I mean, buy a home with a short to intermediate term ARM. Pay the monthly mortgage payment AS IF it was its more expensive cousin, a 30 year FRM. Apply the differential to principal so that, at each interest rate change date, the principal balance on which the change is based is less, thereby mitigating payment shock. If rates go down, keep to the plan and keep paying down principal with the interest rate savings. It matters when you buy, of course, but a Monte Carlo simulation shows that an ARM will usually outperform a FRM for a couple of reasons: (1) the average holding period of a mortgage is 7-9 years and (2) rates can decline as well as increase--a point that is sometimes lost on fixed rate advocates.



For example, one can get a HELOC at Schwab Bank at Prime Rate minus 1% for life, which today would equal 5.00. If you made the payment as if it was 6.00 (30 year FRM), you would be making a significant dent in the principal each month. So to people who say, "I want a 30 year FRM," I say, "Fake yourself out and make the 30 year FRM payment." This HELOC is variable monthly, of course, but if rates start to uncomfortably trend up, you can use the savings to buy yourself a 30 year FRM.



I'm pretty sure you can use the Schwab HELOC for a purchase; the fine print is detailed. http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/banking_lending/home_equity/index.html
 
<p>awgee - Needs to be shorter and snappier. And not involve math. A nice RE bull jingle like:</p>

<p>"If the monthly payments fit, go for it."</p>
 
<p><strong><em>IT MAY BE TIME TO TAKE UP ARMs</em></strong></p>

<em>


Business Week


<strong> June 27th, 1994</strong></em>

<p> </p>

<p><em>Just when you thought it was safe to jump back into the housing market, the Federal Reserve Board ratcheted up interest rates, and 30-year fixed mortgages rose from 7% to almost 9% in only three months. Don't panic. There are some tempting options in adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs), which come in more varieties than ever. And even at the higher rates, good deals are still to be had.</em></p>

<em> For the bulk of real estatebuyers who want a 30-year fixed >mortgage, the next best thing may be the new 10/1 ARM, says Paul Havemann, vice-president of mortgage-tracking service HSH Associates. The 10/1's rate is set for 10 years at almost half a point less than a 30-year fixed, now 8.45%. In the 11th year, it converts to a one-year ARM that tracks prevailing rates annually. LOW CEILING. The 10/1, currently at 7.87%, is just a fraction below the 15-year fixed rate of 8%, but you can pay it over a period of 30 years, so you get the lower rate without the higher payments. And since most people move every five to seven years, chances are that you'll already have sold your house before the loan converts. So far, only big banks that keep their loans are offering 10/1s, because the secondary market isn't buying them yet. But they're spreading. They're available at such national lenders as PNC Bank in Pittsburgh, Nationsbank Mortgage Corp. in Tampa, and GMAC Mortgage in Elkins Park, Pa.





At the other end of the spectrum are loans that adjust every month, which are just catching on in regions outside the Southwest. Such are tied to the 11th District's cost-of-funds index (COFI) -- the rates that Southwestern banks pay their depositors. These COFI ARMs change much less frequently than Treasury bills. "Even in the early '80s, [COFIs] never went up two points in one year," says Margaret Scott, president of Mortgage Advisory Services in New York. "It's a great mortgage for this market." Typical COFI ARM starting rates are 63/4%, with ceilings of 10.45%. That's lower than many ARMs tied to Treasuries. Right now, you can get a 4.4% teaser rate for four months, says Scott. COFI can be paid over 15, 20, 30, or 40 years, but they carry some points.</em>

<p><em>Scott doesn't like one-year ARMs right now because, unless you happen to get a bargain-basement rate, after one year you're most likely to wind up paying almost 8% -- when you could have a fixed rate for slightly more. Nevertheless, you can choose an ARM with a fixed rate that adjusts every one, three, or five years, or an ARM that converts to a one-year adjustable after one, three, five, or seven years. The 7/23 changes once and then stays fixed for 23 years but at a slightly higher rate and often a higher cap than that of a 7/1.</em></p>

<p><em>Which ARM you choose depends on how long you plan to keep the house. If it's only three years, a 5.5% one-year ARM makes more sense than a 30-year fixed. Even if rates rise the maximum two points a year on a $ 100,000 loan, you would pay out $ 25,152 at an average rate of 7.5% after three years, as opposed to $ 27,681 for an 8.5% 30-year fixed loan.</em></p>

<p><em>Despite higher rates, even some run-of-the-mill ARMs are good deals because the market is so competitive. Savings and loans, which don't resell mortgages, are offering "suicidal rates of 3%" for one-year ARMs, says Havemann. <strong>Lenders are also trying to lure customers with "bells and whistles" such as preapproved mortgages, accelerated processing, and loans with free insurance on your payment in the event that you lose your job, says David Lereah, chief economist at the Mortgage Bankers Assn. WORST CASE. You may drool over a 3% one-year ARM, but make sure you can afford the payments if rates go up, Lereah warns.</strong> Examine the annual and lifetime caps to see what your worst-case liability would be. Usually adjustables can't rise more than 2 points a year and no more than 6 points over the life of the loan. But some five- and seven-year ARMs have 4% lifetime caps, and the 10/1 ARMs at Nationsbank can jump as much as 5 points in the 11th year.</em></p>

<p><em>Also, beware of loans that cap your monthly payments. Even if rates rise, your payments stay fixed, but the extra amount you would have paid on your principal and interest is added to the balance you owe. This is called negative amortization, and since it raises your principal, you can wind up paying a lot more over the life of the loan. But with some careful planning and comparison shopping, you won't have to give up on that dream house yet.</em></p>

<p>Funny, this sounds familiar. Why were there so many foreclosures in 95 and 96?


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<p>SoCalGal - I am sure what you are "talking" about makes perfect sense, but it is all very complicated. It seems to me that if I tried to fake myself out, I would end up faking myself right into foreclosure. I can not help but wonder how many folks who are going through the pain of foreclosure and loss of their downpayment and equity, did not try to do exactly what you are saying.</p>

<p>Maybe, taking responsibility for one's actions is sometimes just having some common sense and realizing that one is not smart enough to fake out anybody, including oneself. Doncha think that when most people try to fool themselves or others, they just end up being the fool?</p>

<p>My plan is to keep waiting for what I see as the bottom or close to it, and buy for cash. Most smart mortgage brokers and real estate agents and financial whiz kids would say that mine is a foolish course of action, but for now I think I would rather be foolish with no house payment, than financially brilliant and in foreclosure. </p>
 
<p>The ARM strategy probably does not work for most people because they do not have enough financial discipline to follow the strict plan. Even conceptually, I think the Monte Carlo simulation only works out if there is enough spread between the FRM & ARM. Moreover, the time horizon is very important in today's volatile market, since the 5-7 year horizon before selling may go out the window if valuation does not normalize. You're in for a hurt if 5 years from now the ARM resets and the market value of your home does not rebound back, a case often found in today's owners.</p>

<p>Each mortgage type has their advantages and disadvantages, depending on the borrower's situation and traits, and the market environment. I think with the volatility in the market today, ARM's risk outweighs its return. Put that into a decision tree, and you'll have to skew the odds further into one direction for the risk, and I bet you come up with a less valuation for 2008 and 2009 using the ARM than FRM.</p>
 
<p><strong><em>Maybe, taking responsibility for one's actions is sometimes just having some common sense and realizing that one is not smart enough to fake out anybody, including oneself.</em></strong></p>

<p>Did you read the front page article today with the "Wishing on a star" theme?</p>
 
no_vas - No, I didn't, but I assume my statement is related? I will read it this afternoon. I have to go out and do some actual work.
 
If you want an actual mortgage that pays off, Indymac has started offering a Dynamic One HELOC. This essentially is an MMA (Money Management Account.) and is very popular in Europe and Australia. It is a fully adjustable HELOC into which you have your paychecks directly deposited. Since it is a HELOC you can take money out of it just like a normal checking account to pay bills, invest, etc. This allows for massive reductions in principal, and forces you to pay down your debt. If you would have signed up for one 3 months ago your rate would only be 5.0% right now.
 
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