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The Cantara models are now all short sales. The buyer/ investor overpaid and is now in trouble. I looked at the model 2 and 3 last weekend. They are being aggressively marketed and will sell for much less than the current asking prices.
 
<p>Not to thread jack but my wife loved what I believe was plan 1 of Cantara. I remember meeting the guy who bought the 3 model houses. He was holding the open houses himself in the beginning. He was absolutely crazy for taking on so much debt. Even as a short sale, they are still overpriced. </p>

<p>Getting back to topic, outside of qwerty trying the $600K offer, any one else going to try some strong low ball offers? </p>
 
<p>qwerty,</p>

<p>How did it go? Were you able to get one for 600K? Did graphrix's advice work?</p>
 
Sorry for not posting sooner - its been kind of hectic with the holidays coming up. Before I made the offer, I asked the sales guy for an update on incentives, when i was there a couple of weeks ago, they were offering 75K and all of it could be used to reduce the purchase price. This weekend said they could get more aggressive and said they could do 100K, again, all of it could be used to reduce the purchase price. I am interested in a plan once since it is just me and my fiance, 2400 sq ft is plenty of space for us. Lot 78 had sold and they were down to two plan ones, lots 164 and 124 (see my post above for specs on these lots). Both still were being offered at 832K, with the 100K reduction we would be at 732K.





So i presented my offer, 600K with 20% down and use their lender to ensure that it closed by 12/29 (we have been previously preapproved by their lender). He said corporate would shoot him for presenting an offer in that amount, so he could not present that to corporate (maybe i should have used graphix's advice). He said he could present maybe 720K, but not 600K. I said 720K was still too high, that I didnt want to overpay for a house, he then went into his sales guy mode and started telling me that once these homes are gone they are gone, blah blah blah. I told him that maybe I would be willing to do 650K but nothing higher. He said he still could not present that to corporate. At that point, i said that if he could not present 650K to corporate then there was no point in me sticking around any further. I thanked him for his time and told him to give me a call if anything changes.





So that was basically it. Even at 600K i probably would have been over paying by 50-100K but was willing to do so. So i tried and failed. At least i found out how low they were not willing to go. I guess he kind of tipped his hat as to how low they are willing to go (720K) at least dealing with the sales guy. I have a feeling though that if i increased my offer to 700K even he would have presented that and probably would have been accepted. I cant imagine they would not make the sale over a 20K difference. But there is only so much i am willing to overpay for a house at this point. While 700K is very affordable for us, we think it is overpriced.





From talking to these guys it seems like they builder genuinely believes 732K for this place is a steal, which is puzzling to me. Maybe we can find a resale there some time next year on the cheap. TBD





Also, the two plan threes i listed above are still available.



 
<p><em>From talking to these guys it seems like they builder genuinely believes 732K for this place is a steal, which is puzzling to me.</em></p>

<p>The builders paid a boat load for the land and are already selling at a loss. You can see what the land values are in the public tax records.</p>
 
Qwerty,





Good negotiating.......this is how I buy cars.......I can't believe the actually said he wouldn't present the offer to his management.......you should write a letter to the management and directly submit the offer............just make sure he knows how to contact you. I guarantee that the salesman is doing nothing but thinking about reeling you in.





My bet is that the guy calls you up and tries to get you to 675K. At that point......reduce your offer to 575 and tell the sales man that you have other properties you are looking at.
 
Thanks Nano - if they did call back ( i dont think they will), i wouldnt do one dime over 600K. I would have done 650K over the weekend but that ship has sailed.





This actually is not the first time ive had a sales agent tell me that they cant present an offer to corporate due to it being too low, this also happened to me with the Taylor Woodrow folks in Portola Springs. They wanted 840K for a house that they said was worth about 920K (inventory home). I offered them 700K and the agent said he couldnt present that offer.





Does anyone know if these sales agents that work for the builders are told explicitly not to present offers below X number of dollars?





I may contact the VP/Director of Sales directly to see if there is different outcome, if i do, ill keep you guys posted.
 
qwerty - "I may contact the VP/Director of Sales directly to see if there is different outcome"



So if the VP/Director of Sales said no, are you going to contact the CEO?
 
Rick - no i would not contact the CEO, but maybe ill contact your mama. This strategy was suggested by some of the folks here and may be worth a try.
 
<p>In Florida, licensed real estate agents are ethically obligated to present all offers to Sellers. They are free to pooh-pooh low ball offers, but must present them.</p>

<p>What about California? Maybe the people who sit in the sales offices aren't actually licensed?</p>
 
<p>qwerty - my mama will tell you no also.</p>

<p>but i contacted the sales office for you. they said you can come back and they'll give you the house for free. will you buy it then?</p>
 
Rick - thanks for your help. if it was free, i guess i would take it then. just like your mama took it last night. does your mama work at the sales office? She was free to.
 
<p>Umm guys, lets try to keep this above a 5th grade level. </p>

<p>From the get go, I agreed that one should go straight to the VP or sales director in the area. The sales people are acting as middlemen and though corporate might accept an offer, more times than not, corporate won't and they will look foolish for presenting it. I don't think the salesperson is trying to reel in qwerty, rather, I think he doesn't want to be the guy who brought the lowest offer to his management for the small chance that they accept it. Sadly, even if they do, no one will congratulate him on closing it as they basically lost money in the deal.</p>

<p>All this is just observations from my own role in high tech sales and my wifes role in services sales. </p>
 
Guys, let's be civil here.



Rickhunter, qwerty is just sharing with his experiences, which is exactly what this blog is about. There is no reason to pick on him. Throwing F bombs around doesn't make you any smarter or tougher.
 
Rick - ill take the higher road and stop playing along.





Ill keep you guys posted on any additional offers that should take place.
 
<p>I'm apologizing to EVERYBODY here for my immature behavior!</p>

<p>If you were selling your porsche for 50K bluebook and somebody comes to you with a 40K offer, wouldnt you tell them to get the heck out? I think greed drove the home prices up but "entitlement" at rock bottom prices (Dec 2007) will not drive the home prices down.</p>
 
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