Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

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yaliu07 said:
eyephone said:
yaliu07 said:
iacrenter said:
bones said:
And one more.  Apparently, not only are the IPac X plans "breathtaking".  This forum is too.  From Feb 5 on the OCVMP FB page:

This e-mail from one of our readers came very recently. Here is the gist of his comments posted with his permission:
Hi, With regard to your recent posts on the petitions against the Veteran Cemetery in Irvine, I would encourage your followers to visit the discussion board "Talk Irvine" thread "Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine". This discussion appears to be presided over by a leader of the petition. Some of the anti-Veteran commentary and motives for pushing the cemetery out of Irvine are truly breathtaking.
Thank you for all that you are doing; (I) will monitor this page to see if there are opportunities to assist in your efforts. I was a long term (former) resident of Irvine, and also a US Navy veteran. I can think of nothing better to honor our So Cal Veterans than this memorial, and no more appropriate place.
Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
www.talkirvine.com
Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

Yikes. I can see the death threats coming next for Yaliu. Better change your screen name.

why always shoot the messenger??? :(

Yaliu are you the leader?

nope, just a messenger..

A messenger with distributing fliers, coordinating meetings, strategizing, making posts on opposition fb page, TI, and who knows what other forms of social platforms.

(Sounds like a leader to me)  :)
 
Imagine if you will:

There is a certain town near Nanjing, China where about half the residents are Japanese nationals.  The town decides to build a memorial to Chinese vets who resisted the Japanese during the WWII Nanjing Massacre.  The Japanese residents of said town decide to protest in order to have the memorial moved somewhere else because of "traffic concerns."  How would the local Chinese react to this?
 
this analogy is really bad.

US and China never went into a war between them; From China's point of view, there is a lot of blood on Japanese' hand, from WWII

Happiness said:
Imagine if you will:

There is a certain town near Nanjing, China where about half the residents are Japanese nationals.  The town decides to build a memorial to Chinese vets who resisted the Japanese during the WWII Nanjing Massacre.  The Japanese residents of said town decide to protest in order to have the memorial moved somewhere else because of "traffic concerns."  How would the local Chinese react to this?
 
irvinehomeshopper said:

Great comment from IHO's link:

"Second, my parents once described the good manner of people around 1950s. But things changed after the 10 years Cultural revolution in China. People decried, defamed, abused and even fought with each other. No one trusted any people even their own family at that time. Morality was totally torn down. People became selfish and myopic. Some people won't care about the public environment because it's not their home. Their home could be very clean but they would spit on street, drop garbage and etc"

The key point of the link, written by a maninland Chinese, is that Chinese people are not naturally manners impaired, it was caused by Communism.  Mainland Chinese had good manners before the 1950s?  Of course, they did.  Those manlanders were educated under the Republic of China (which is still the government in Taiwan today).  Singaporeans and Hong Kongers have good manners, they were educated under the British.  After the Communists ran the ROC off to Taiwan, they demanded that all Chinese, especially city dwellers, to "learn from the peasants."  After several generations of learning from the peasants, you now have people pissing in other peoples bushes.
 
The California Court Company said:
this analogy is really bad.

US and China never went into a war between them; From China's point of view, there is a lot of blood on Japanese' hand, from WWII

Happiness said:
Imagine if you will:

There is a certain town near Nanjing, China where about half the residents are Japanese nationals.  The town decides to build a memorial to Chinese vets who resisted the Japanese during the WWII Nanjing Massacre.  The Japanese residents of said town decide to protest in order to have the memorial moved somewhere else because of "traffic concerns."  How would the local Chinese react to this?
Korean War was mainly fought between US and PRC.  In Vietnam War, PRC was main supplier to North Vietnam and Viet Cong.  Many people to be buried in proposed cemetery would be Korean and Vietnam War vets.
 
Happiness said:
Imagine if you will:

There is a certain town near Nanjing, China where about half the residents are Japanese nationals.  The town decides to build a memorial to Chinese vets who resisted the Japanese during the WWII Nanjing Massacre.  The Japanese residents of said town decide to protest in order to have the memorial moved somewhere else because of "traffic concerns."  How would the local Chinese react to this?

bad analogy.. I'm all for building a memorial..
 
Happiness said:
irvinehomeshopper said:

Great comment from IHO's link:

"Second, my parents once described the good manner of people around 1950s. But things changed after the 10 years Cultural revolution in China. People decried, defamed, abused and even fought with each other. No one trusted any people even their own family at that time. Morality was totally torn down. People became selfish and myopic. Some people won't care about the public environment because it's not their home. Their home could be very clean but they would spit on street, drop garbage and etc"

The key point of the link, written by a maninland Chinese, is that Chinese people are not naturally manners impaired, it was caused by Communism.  Mainland Chinese had good manners before the 1950s?  Of course, they did.  Those manlanders were educated under the Republic of China (which is still the government in Taiwan today).  Singaporeans and Hong Kongers have good manners, they were educated under the British.  After the Communists ran the ROC off to Taiwan, they demanded that all Chinese, especially city dwellers, to "learn from the peasants."  After several generations of learning from the peasants, you now have people pissing in other peoples bushes.

Yeah...this is not historically true at all.  The lack of etiquette has a lot to due with the sudden and abrupt increase in economic prosperity for the Chinese population.  They made a ton of money but never learned Western social edict.  It's analogous to the Beverly Hillbillies but on a much large scale. 

Historically, Chinese society was highly stratified...China was in a feudal system up until 1911, when imperial system was overturned.  That system had a few elites with a large working class.  After that, China was ruled by warlords and the feudal system nature of society maintained until 1949.  KMT was more worried about keeping power than helping the masses (therefore the populist support for the CCP after WW2).

The CCP actually made great strides in the 1950s educating the masses (simplifieid form), cleaning up the urban area, and implementing more modern social norms (like no spitting).  But like all CCP reforms...ideology and Mao's ego took over and reforms turned very badly.  Between 1950s and mid-1970s, CCP basically isolated China and focused primarily on rooting out political dissent and keeping Mao in power.  People in the countryside basically stayed who they were.

Beginning the 1980s, China began a mass economic boom in which very impoverished people became middle class/rich.  First of those began becoming exposed to Western Culture but only selectively.  There became an infatuation with luxury brands and bright colors...rich Chinese people were wearing super gawdy luxury brands from Europe in the 1990s/2000s because they were seen as status symbols.  That infatuation is simply filtering down to the masses while those at the top begin to master Western norms. 

Taiwan and SK went through the same phase but because of more direct American and Japanese influence, they grew out of that.  There are still "country bumpkins" in Taiwan that spit on the ground and chew betel nut (spit accordingly). 
 
Happiness said:
The California Court Company said:
this analogy is really bad.

US and China never went into a war between them; From China's point of view, there is a lot of blood on Japanese' hand, from WWII

Happiness said:
Imagine if you will:

There is a certain town near Nanjing, China where about half the residents are Japanese nationals.  The town decides to build a memorial to Chinese vets who resisted the Japanese during the WWII Nanjing Massacre.  The Japanese residents of said town decide to protest in order to have the memorial moved somewhere else because of "traffic concerns."  How would the local Chinese react to this?
Korean War was mainly fought between US and PRC.  In Vietnam War, PRC was main supplier to North Vietnam and Viet Cong.  Many people to be buried in proposed cemetery would be Korean and Vietnam War vets.

Actually no...Korean War was between the Koreas.  US decided to involve the PRC by crossing the Yalu River.  MacArthur wanted to reclaim China and that's why he was relieved of command by Truman.  If it wasn't for MacArthur, there would be no NK now.

Vietnam was a colonial war.  Soviets armed the Vietnamese, not China.  Soviets wanted Vietnam to check China in the south.
 
yaliu07 said:
someone just stopped by house and passed me a Chinese Flyer on town hall meeting on June 8th.  J$, aquabliss, locked your door....  :)

haha I got the English flyer.  Why do they think I don't speak Mandarin?! 

Can I reserve a session in the town hall meeting to discuss how the flyer distributors decided to put English or Chinese flyers at each homeowners doorstep.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
US decided to involve the PRC by crossing the Yalu River. 
The US crossed the Yalu river?  Wow, I've never seen that in any American textbook from K to college.  Thanks for setting us Americans straight.
 
Happiness said:
Irvinecommuter said:
US decided to involve the PRC by crossing the Yalu River. 
The US crossed the Yalu river?  Wow, I've never seen that in any American textbook from K to college.  Thanks for setting us Americans straight.

My mistake...came extremely close to crossing the Yalu River. Chinese already warned the US that approaching the Yalu would result in Chinese coming into the war.  MacArthur had every intent of going into China.

 
bones said:
Yal and Zubs made it on this Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/ocvmp

If you read my posts you can tell I'm for the cemetery.  That post I put up to move the cemetery by the garbage dump was to troll people.  Manipulation works, how surprising.

However, I was surprised that no one took the bait here on TI.  I figured I'd get someone to comment on it....but Nope.
 
Happiness said:
Irvinecommuter said:
US decided to involve the PRC by crossing the Yalu River. 
The US crossed the Yalu river?  Wow, I've never seen that in any American textbook from K to college. Thanks for setting us Americans straight.

We actually do need to set ourselves straight. On average Americans have very poor knowledge of our country's history. I bet most naturalized US citizens do better than US born citizens when it comes to civic history.
http://www.alternet.org/story/90161/ignorant_america:_just_how_stupid_are_we
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...s-fail-test-on-nations-founding-78325412.html
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper...udy-finds-troubling-lack-us-history-knowledge
 
Homer_Simpson said:
The only time I've seen such action was when I saw a white dude cut in front of a black dude at a buffet line
He was going to get the last chicken fried steak and I didn't want to wait for them to bring out new ones.

Did you see us go outside to play 21 for it?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Homer_Simpson said:
The only time I've seen such action was when I saw a white dude cut in front of a black dude at a buffet line
He was going to get the last chicken fried steak and I didn't want to wait for them to bring out new ones.

Did you see us go outside to play 21 for it?

I did... saw you bank the game winning 3... black guy said it was Sunday and the banks were closed and it didn't count.. You ate that chicken fried steak anyways...

#badass
 
Homer_Simpson said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Homer_Simpson said:
The only time I've seen such action was when I saw a white dude cut in front of a black dude at a buffet line
He was going to get the last chicken fried steak and I didn't want to wait for them to bring out new ones.

Did you see us go outside to play 21 for it?

I did... saw you bank the game winning 3... black guy said it was Sunday and the banks were closed and it didn't count.. You ate that chicken fried steak anyways...

#badass
Yep... and I told him I bank online... open 24/7!
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Homer_Simpson said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Homer_Simpson said:
The only time I've seen such action was when I saw a white dude cut in front of a black dude at a buffet line
He was going to get the last chicken fried steak and I didn't want to wait for them to bring out new ones.

Did you see us go outside to play 21 for it?

I did... saw you bank the game winning 3... black guy said it was Sunday and the banks were closed and it didn't count.. You ate that chicken fried steak anyways...

#badass
Yep... and I told him I bank online... open 24/7!

He doesn't have online so he didn't get it...

#nicetry
 
zubs said:
bones said:
Yal and Zubs made it on this Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/ocvmp

If you read my posts you can tell I'm for the cemetery.  That post I put up to move the cemetery by the garbage dump was to troll people.  Manipulation works, how surprising.

However, I was surprised that no one took the bait here on TI.  I figured I'd get someone to comment on it....but Nope.

I am disappoint in you.. try harder.
 
I trolled someone on FB...it must count for something....but seriously trolling FB users is like shooting fish in a barrel.

You TI guys are getting too hard to troll...at least there's always new members ...
 
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