Toyota moving to Texas

[irvinehomeowner]

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Where have you been?

 

[Irvinecommuter]

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Where have you been?

Around but not really participating...topics haven't changed very much   Panda still shilling for Atlanta, Morekos still bashing California, life goes on.

 

[morekaos]

No matter how dark it gets...keep pulling down the shades!!

California Considers Placing A Mileage Tax On Drivers

SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) ? California is moving closer to charging drivers for every mile they drive.

The state says it needs more money for road repairs, and the gas tax just isn?t bringing in enough revenue.


http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/11/california-considers-mileage-tax/

 

[riznick]

Gas tax is way more than enough.  They simply need to start applying the gas tax to road repairs, instead of robbing it for other things

 

[Liar Loan]

Next time you hear a Democrat saying they only want to tax the rich, remember this.  It hurts the poor and working class the most.

 

[sgip]

I'm sure ordinary citizens could find the funds for road repair that are already in the budget.

Me - fire every single non-STEM teacher in the UC / Cal State / Community College system. We don't need to pay for 200 different "Film Studies" or "Understanding 17 Century French Poetry" classes within a 50 mile radius do we? We don't need to make these "teachers" pension eligible either. If the market needs the jobs that require this kind of education, there are privately run colleges that can pick up the slack.

Bloat within the California State education system is incredible and should be the first place to cut.

My .02c

 

[Liar Loan]

Me - fire every single non-STEM teacher in the UC / Cal State / Community College system.

There were some very good business and economics teachers when I went to Cal State Long Beach.  A lot of them only taught part time as a way to give back since they were already highly successful in their careers.  I would petition to keep these guys around as well, since they are also creating marketable graduates.

 

[sgip]

True. The Econ teachers would fall under the M in STEM. One could argue that Business degrees might as well given that 1/2 what makes a good business is math driven, 1/3 of success is sales - which cannot be taught in class, and 3/5 of what makes a thriving business is chance plus opportunity.

My .02c

(don't ping me on the math please.. it's intentional...)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Gas tax is way more than enough.  They simply need to start applying the gas tax to road repairs, instead of robbing it for other things

You understand that the proposal is for the mileage tax to replace the gas tax right?

 

[Irvinecommuter]

True. The Econ teachers would fall under the M in STEM. One could argue that Business degrees might as well given that 1/2 what makes a good business is math driven, 1/3 of success is sales - which cannot be taught in class, and 3/5 of what makes a thriving business is chance plus opportunity.

My .02c

(don't ping me on the math please.. it's intentional...)

I guess we won't need lawyers, historians, teachers, librarians, artists, filmmaker, etc.

 

[morekaos]

Gas tax is way more than enough.  They simply need to start applying the gas tax to road repairs, instead of robbing it for other things

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You understand that the proposal is for the mileage tax to replace the gas tax right?
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Which gas tax tax do you think they will "replace"?  Let's not kid ourselves..they won't replace anything...they will augment.  California legislators lack the DNA to repeal or reduce any tax, it's physically impossible.

So by 2019, when you take all taxes and fees together in California, you get:

47.3 cents in primary and secondary excise taxes
2 cents on the underground storage tank fee
9 cents on the sales tax (as per the Tax Foundation estimate)
Total: 58.3 cents per gallon in total taxes and fees on gasoline in California

How much you'll REALLY pay in gasoline tax in California (Hint: It's probably more than you think)

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/sd-fi-california-gastax-20170413-story.html

 

[Irvinecommuter]

True. The Econ teachers would fall under the M in STEM. One could argue that Business degrees might as well given that 1/2 what makes a good business is math driven, 1/3 of success is sales - which cannot be taught in class, and 3/5 of what makes a thriving business is chance plus opportunity.

My .02c

(don't ping me on the math please.. it's intentional...)

I guess we won't need lawyers, historians, teachers, librarians, artists, filmmaker, etc.

Gas tax is way more than enough.  They simply need to start applying the gas tax to road repairs, instead of robbing it for other things

You understand that the proposal is for the mileage tax to replace the gas tax right?

Which gas tax tax do you think they will "replace"?  Let's not kid ourselves..they won't replace anything...they will augment.  California legislators lack the DNA to repeal or reduce any tax, it's physically impossible.

So by 2019, when you take all taxes and fees together in California, you get:

47.3 cents in primary and secondary excise taxes
2 cents on the underground storage tank fee
9 cents on the sales tax (as per the Tax Foundation estimate)
Total: 58.3 cents per gallon in total taxes and fees on gasoline in California

How much you'll REALLY pay in gasoline tax in California (Hint: It's probably more than you think)

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/sd-fi-california-gastax-20170413-story.html

The proposed bill literally replaces the gas tax with the mileage tax.

California is no. 7 in gas tax even according to Tax Foundation.
https://files.taxfoundation.org/20170208190152/GasTaxMap-01-1024x980.png

 

[sgip]

Is there a dearth of attorneys out there? Are there no private opportunities for people to learn about the law or the arts?

If we can educate teachers to teach the very basics, sure, providing they teach. There's a circle of 17th Century French Poetry/Ballet/Gender Studies students who become 17th Century French Poetry/Dance/Gender Studies teachers aids, who become 17th Century French Poetry/Dance/Gender Studies professors. Hard to say that's a wise use of the publics treasure.

I'd argue that it's in our better interest of the State of California to graduate a few more electricians, plumbers, HVAC workers than future Baristas. To be clear, being a Barista is an honorable job, but not a career to end up at after spending $200k in student loans learning about 17CFP, or how films get made.

Because the State spends more on these extravagances than other, taxes are high. Businesses avoid planting their feet in the Golden State. This clearly has to change. Starting with some well needed trimming of the education system is a start worth considering.

My .02c

 

[morekaos]

Again, which tax?  Primary excise tax, secondary excise tax, or the sales tax?  If they think they will raise more revenue by replacing these taxes they are high on semi-legal weed.  They won't replace anything, they'll just tack it on, like they always do.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Is there a dearth of attorneys out there? Are there no private opportunities for people to learn about the law or the arts?

If we can educate teachers to teach the very basics, sure, providing they teach. There's a circle of 17th Century French Poetry/Ballet/Gender Studies students who become 17th Century French Poetry/Dance/Gender Studies teachers aids, who become 17th Century French Poetry/Dance/Gender Studies professors. Hard to say that's a wise use of the publics treasure.

I'd argue that it's in our better interest of the State of California to graduate a few more electricians, plumbers, HVAC workers than future Baristas. To be clear, being a Barista is an honorable job, but not a career to end up at after spending $200k in student loans learning about 17CFP, or how films get made.

Because the State spends more on these extravagances than other, taxes are high. Businesses avoid planting their feet in the Golden State. This clearly has to change. Starting with some well needed trimming of the education system is a start worth considering.

My .02c

Is there a dearth of doctors?  Dentist?  Mortgage people?  Hedge Fund trader?

Seems like a pretty subjective list of things to prioritize.  I love science and think STEM is important but society is not just about  making money.  You also seem to think that STEM is in a world on its own when in fact things and subjects are crossing over all the time.  Let's take something like Star Wars...it takes all sorts of individuals and skill sets to create such a project from artists, writers, camera people, electricians, programmers, costume designers, etc. 

The lack of trade skills has nothing to do with universities but rather a lack of candidates or desire by young people to do those job.  Also not desirable jobs include farming and animal husbandry. 

It's funny that people are still selling the narrative that California is on the edge of economic collapse.  This thread started in April 2014...since that time.  California's GDP has grown about 8%...while Texas has grown about 3%..National average is +4.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Again, which tax?  Primary excise tax, secondary excise tax, or the sales tax?  If they think they will raise more revenue by replacing these taxes they are high on semi-legal weed.  They won't replace anything, they'll just tack it on, like they always do.

Okay.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Here's a thought...how about cut pensions for state workers?  Let's cut not raise taxes.  Novel idea, huh? 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Here's a thought...how about cut pensions for state workers?  Let's cut not raise taxes.  Novel idea, huh?

Pensions are contractual obligations the are between the state and the employee.  Why should the state be allowed to unilaterally change the terms of an employee's pension?

 

[usctrojancpa]

Here's a thought...how about cut pensions for state workers?  Let's cut not raise taxes.  Novel idea, huh?

Pensions are contractual obligations the are between the state and the employee.  Why should the state be allowed to unilaterally change the terms of an employee's pension?

How about if the state doesn't have the money to pay for those obligations?  That's what bankruptcy is for and not raising taxes eternally to pay for these excessive pensions.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Here's a thought...how about cut pensions for state workers?  Let's cut not raise taxes.  Novel idea, huh?

Pensions are contractual obligations the are between the state and the employee.  Why should the state be allowed to unilaterally change the terms of an employee's pension?

How about if the state doesn't have the money to pay for those obligations?  That's what bankruptcy is for and not raising taxes eternally to pay for these excessive pensions.

1)  Yes but the state would have to declare BK first...there are statutory/legal avenues for that

2)  Why are the pensions "excessive"?  Part of the reason why people go to work for the government is in part because of a pension and stability.  Teachers, FF, and police officers for example.  Wouldn't you want to encourage good candidates to take those positions?