Toyota moving to Texas

[AW]

Seattle while great, rains too much.
Vegas way too hot.
Maybe consider some place in Colorado (cool weather), or Austin (nicer topography compared to Dallas), maybe some place in Florida (beach, but humid, hurricanes), close tie with Georgia (northern, like Alpharetta where a lot of businesses are)
All leads back to SoCal for the weather... Now where in SoCal if not Irvine is a toughy

 

[Irvinecommuter]

California schools aren't so great.  Irvine is great, but the rest of the state is spotty.  I'm sure the same can be said with other areas in the country.

Yes but California has a lot more really bright spots.  Oregon for example has one maybe two good school district (Lake Oswego and Hillsboro)...that's it for the entire state.  The state university and University of Oregon system are bad.

Nevada:  Best school is UNLV...followed by UofN-Reno.

 

[riznick]

Forward thinking is such a terrible thing...high speed train is awesome.

It can be awesome, but will it?  How will it work?  How much will it cost?  Where does it start, where will it go? 

Taking Amtrak vs a car is pretty expensive when you have more than one person.  On top of that, taxpayers pay for half of it.  I'm sure it's better and much more efficient elsewhere, but it doesn't feel the same way out here.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

How are we winning? We are in debt to our eyeballs. The state keeps on spending and spending. It's easy to spend money, like a corporate credit card. We need better leaders in our state.

A truly diversified job/business market, leaders in green technology, computers, and bioscience.  All done while preserving the environment and beauty of the state. 

California is projected to perform significantly better than the rest of the country in both growth and jobs. 

Last budget has a $2 billion surplus which is being saved and reinvested.  Great job by California government.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Forward thinking is such a terrible thing...high speed train is awesome.

It can be awesome, but will it?  How will it work?  How much will it cost?  Where does it start, where will it go? 

Taking Amtrak vs a car is pretty expensive when you have more than one person.  On top of that, taxpayers pay for half of it.  I'm sure it's better and much more efficient elsewhere, but it doesn't feel the same way out here.

Ultimately, SD to Bay Area.  Cost estimates and projection are all over the place right now.  Supporter say it will costs $86 to go from LA to SF, opponents say a lot more.  Supporters say that the system is self-sustaining, opponents say that it has to be subsidized.  There are success stories and failures from all over the globe.  No one really knows

But that's is part of the price of forward thinking and development.  If you just sit around as a government and be reactive, you will be left behind. 

Silicon Valley was created as a result of heavy federal and state investment. 

California put a lot of money to bolster up and spread out the UC and CSU system, which led the state to being a world leader for business, technology, innovation, and ideas.

California basically restricted itself after the 1970s to stop development of natural resources like oil and to impose significant environmental restrictions.  That has resulted in a much cleaner environment and the move away from energy dependent economy. 

California had a plan and invested heavily into green energy when plenty of people thought the investment was folly and wasteful.

Another example is setting high emission standard and using cap and trade to encourage growth in the proper industries.  California has been the leader on those issues for many years, when many people complained that the standards are too high or too onerous.  Yet here we are, everything is just fine.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-cap-and-trade-is-working-in-california-1411937795

Innovation and progress are messy and sometimes failures...but progress requires constant movement.

 

[eyephone]

We pay high taxes to fund the social programs in California.
The high speed train is a joke.

Forward thinking is such a terrible thing...high speed train is awesome.

how can it be awesome when it's sharing track?
The hyper loop is awesome.

Do you work for the city or state? (Your answers are far from reality)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

We pay high taxes to fund the social programs in California.
The high speed train is a joke.

Forward thinking is such a terrible thing...high speed train is awesome.

how can it be awesome when it's sharing track?
The hyper loop is awesome.

Do you work for the city or state? (Your answers are far from reality)

It's sharing track between SJC and SF...most of the space is going to be dedicated track. 

I work for neither.

 

[socal78]

I wanted to ask you guys a hypothetical question. If you were forced to move out of California and you can work your job anywhere with a WI-FI access. Which city and state would you choose and why? Would Dallas/Fort Worth be your first choice?

In would depend on what stage of life I was in i.e. the future vs. if I could go back in time and do my life over. The Dallas area. Highlands Ranch, CO. Mayyybe Summerlin, NV. Perhaps some parts of Arizona.

Panda, it's too late for me since I'm locked into O.C. until my youngest graduates high school but, as I was just telling Mr. SoCal last night, California's best days are behind it... I want better for our kids. I would advise them with confidence that, after college, they should start their lives and families in a different area. I'm willing to move with them, especially, to any nice conservative area that's not infested with snow or kooky liberals. I'm looking at you, Portland.

 

[WTTCHMN]

I wanted to ask you guys a hypothetical question. If you were forced to move out of California and you can work your job anywhere with a WI-FI access. Which city and state would you choose and why? Would Dallas/Fort Worth be your first choice?

In would depend on what stage of life I was in i.e. the future vs. if I could go back in time and do my life over. The Dallas area. Highlands Ranch, CO. Mayyybe Summerlin, NV. Perhaps some parts of Arizona.

Panda, it's too late for me since I'm locked into O.C. until my youngest graduates high school but, as I was just telling Mr. SoCal last night, California's best days are behind it... I want better for our kids. I would advise them with confidence that, after college, they should start their lives and families in a different area. I'm willing to move with them, especially, to any nice conservative area that's not infested with snow or kooky liberals. I'm looking at you, Portland.

People always champion diversity, but at the end of the day, they crave to be surrounded by those who look and think like them.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I wanted to ask you guys a hypothetical question. If you were forced to move out of California and you can work your job anywhere with a WI-FI access. Which city and state would you choose and why? Would Dallas/Fort Worth be your first choice?

In would depend on what stage of life I was in i.e. the future vs. if I could go back in time and do my life over. The Dallas area. Highlands Ranch, CO. Mayyybe Summerlin, NV. Perhaps some parts of Arizona.

Panda, it's too late for me since I'm locked into O.C. until my youngest graduates high school but, as I was just telling Mr. SoCal last night, California's best days are behind it... I want better for our kids. I would advise them with confidence that, after college, they should start their lives and families in a different area. I'm willing to move with them, especially, to any nice conservative area that's not infested with snow or kooky liberals. I'm looking at you, Portland.

Are you serious?  Portland is extremely liberal.  OC is pretty darn conservative, especially in the South County area. 

I have visited quite a few areas in this lovely country of ours...California is by far the best IMO.

 

[socal78]

It looks like you skimmed my comment a little too quickly, IC. Might want to look at it again.

 

[morekaos]

We pay high taxes to fund the social programs in California.
The high speed train is a joke.

Forward thinking is such a terrible thing...high speed train is awesome.

how can it be awesome when it's sharing track?
The hyper loop is awesome.

Do you work for the city or state? (Your answers are far from reality)

I should just start a new thread for this because I can see where this is going to go but here it goes..

If you don't think this project is doomed to follow another recent massive public works project into the black hole of finance you really do live in Elisium..

observe...

California High Speed Rail Costs Soar Again

SACRAMENTO -- While much of the squabbling over California's high-speed rail project has focused on its huge construction price tag, the cost to taxpayers just to plan the bullet train is also soaring.

California rail leaders said Tuesday it will cost an extra $97 million in office and field work to design the rail line, which has famously seen its construction cost double to $69 billion since voters approved it five years ago. The extra state and federal funds set aside for planning will wind up in the pockets of private consulting firms, including some that earn billions of dollars in annual revenue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/california-high-speed-rai_n_3005001.html

Much like...

New Bay Bridge cost climb: Follow the money

August 1997: Standard concrete viaduct with a cable-type suspension span but no bike lane or shoulders. (Cost $1.3 billion)

May 2013: Inflation and delays associated with the complexity of fabricating and installing the massive steel decks, coupled with broken steel anchor rods in seismic stabilizers, continue to push the cost projections up, although not at the earlier rate. (Cost $6.4 billion)

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_23833906/new-bay-bridge-cost-climb-follow-money

Only 10 years late and 400% over projected cost.  probably in line with most California public works projects. What do you think this choo choo will eventually cost? It is gonna be awesome...awesomely painful!

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It looks like you skimmed my comment a little too quickly, IC. Might want to look at it again.

LOL...with that said, not sure if there are any "conservative" areas I want to move to.  I mean Texas is still trying to figure out whether creationism is a science.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

California's best days are behind it... I want better for our kids.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Let all the chaff move to Texas, better for Cali in the long run.

I hope my kids stay in SoCali for the rest of their lives because I'm not going anywhere either.

 

[Bullsback]

I wanted to ask you guys a hypothetical question. If you were forced to move out of California and you can work your job anywhere with a WI-FI access. Which city and state would you choose and why? Would Dallas/Fort Worth be your first choice?

In would depend on what stage of life I was in i.e. the future vs. if I could go back in time and do my life over. The Dallas area. Highlands Ranch, CO. Mayyybe Summerlin, NV. Perhaps some parts of Arizona.

Panda, it's too late for me since I'm locked into O.C. until my youngest graduates high school but, as I was just telling Mr. SoCal last night, California's best days are behind it... I want better for our kids. I would advise them with confidence that, after college, they should start their lives and families in a different area. I'm willing to move with them, especially, to any nice conservative area that's not infested with snow or kooky liberals. I'm looking at you, Portland.

Are you serious?  Portland is extremely liberal.  OC is pretty darn conservative, especially in the South County area. 

I have visited quite a few areas in this lovely country of ours...California is by far the best IMO.

OC was pretty conservative. That has changed significantly over the past 10 years. Some articles out there but Irvine for example has actually become I believe statistically a liberal city (albeit slightly). 

 

[Bullsback]

If in 20+ years my kids move, I'll just up and move...hopefully that by point working remote will be easy or better yet I'll be semi retired (by choice) and picking projects I want to do. 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I wanted to ask you guys a hypothetical question. If you were forced to move out of California and you can work your job anywhere with a WI-FI access. Which city and state would you choose and why? Would Dallas/Fort Worth be your first choice?

In would depend on what stage of life I was in i.e. the future vs. if I could go back in time and do my life over. The Dallas area. Highlands Ranch, CO. Mayyybe Summerlin, NV. Perhaps some parts of Arizona.

Panda, it's too late for me since I'm locked into O.C. until my youngest graduates high school but, as I was just telling Mr. SoCal last night, California's best days are behind it... I want better for our kids. I would advise them with confidence that, after college, they should start their lives and families in a different area. I'm willing to move with them, especially, to any nice conservative area that's not infested with snow or kooky liberals. I'm looking at you, Portland.

Are you serious?  Portland is extremely liberal.  OC is pretty darn conservative, especially in the South County area. 

I have visited quite a few areas in this lovely country of ours...California is by far the best IMO.

OC was pretty conservative. That has changed significantly over the past 10 years. Some articles out there but Irvine for example has actually become I believe statistically a liberal city (albeit slightly).

Most of the movement is in the North County area...especially with the 2nd generation/younger crowd.  South County is still pretty conservative.  Irvine is getting younger and more diverse but I would say that most are not politically active.

 

[nosuchreality]

if your job moves to Los Angeles, how would you feel?

What about the Bay Area?

If they relocate to the IE?  Central Valley?  Emerald triangle?  San Diego?  Sacto?

Serious question, most seem to talk bout Cali like it is a homogeneous thing. 

What if as Irvine ages it becomes more like Montebello?

 

[AW]

I know people who does the daily commute by car/train to/from Irvine to/from LA, IE, SD, at least it's doable unlike out of state. 

The day Irvine turns into montebello, you once had white flight out of Irvine, it will then be Asian flight.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

if your job moves to Los Angeles, how would you feel?

What about the Bay Area?

If they relocate to the IE?  Central Valley?  Emerald triangle?  San Diego?  Sacto?

Serious question, most seem to talk bout Cali like it is a homogeneous thing. 

What if as Irvine ages it becomes more like Montebello?

Most cities in Cali are better than Texas... if for anything, the weather.

I don't know how spootiehoo can play ball in 120?... I get worn out when it reaches the upper 70s.