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Check out the EV Cayenne in a few years, maybe USC can finally convert you over to his side.  And then you'd have a EV cheat too.  I was looking at the Taycan, but will wait to see what the EV Macan looks like and the Taycan should have a couple years under its belt if the Macan doesn't do it for me.
 
qwerty said:
OCtoSV said:
akkord said:
I'd take a Porsche over a Tesla too.  I think you'll find that those who get a Porsche pay the premium since they like that specific driving experience.  Everyone is different, if you're happy with the Tesla, enjoy your car, no one else will change your opinion since its personal preference.
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I used to think so as well until I had each car for a few days. I have a lot of friends who swear they could never move away from throbbing performance V8s or Porsche engines, but my experience tracks well to this showdown:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/23/58000-tesla-model-3-performance-vs-294250-porsche-911-gt2-rs-guess-who-wins/
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We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I?m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I?ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.
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Electric vehicles are prime time.

BMW should will have them in the next few years... they already have a PHEV X5 (terrible all-electric range though).
 
qwerty said:
We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I?m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I?ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a
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EV motor are far superior than ICE but there's just something more fun and satisfying with ICE, especial the sound of V8 from X5M when you press on the gas pedal.

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)


 
lnc said:
qwerty said:
We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I?m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I?ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a
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EV motor are far superior than ICE but there's just something more fun and satisfying with ICE, especial the sound of V8 from X5M when you press on the gas pedal.

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)
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Enough said. Now I know who to go to for car advice on TI :-)

Yeah that?s why I don?t think I?ll ever get an EV. Although it?s probably only a matter of time before EVs have an option to create the sound and feel of an ICE. Tesla will sell that option for $10k.
 
qwerty said:
lnc said:
qwerty said:
We are a bmw family. In a couple of years, for my next car I?m thinking of getting the X5M, but this is exactly my fear. That I?ll be at a stoplight and when the light turns green that a damn Tesla will smoke me :-(

An electric car feels like cheating vs an ICE.

It kind a
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EV motor are far superior than ICE but there's just something more fun and satisfying with ICE, especial the sound of V8 from X5M when you press on the gas pedal.

Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)
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Enough said. Now I know who to go to for car advice on TI :-)

Yeah that?s why I don?t think I?ll ever get an EV. Although it?s probably only a matter of time before EVs have an option to create the sound and feel of an ICE. Tesla will sell that option for $10k.
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Like the auto pilot feature for Tesla that cost an extra $8k. (There was a discount but that deal is over)
 
lnc said:
Look at this way, would you rather be in bed with a supermodel with no personality or a screaming porn star? :)
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I doubt this analogy is a slam dunk. I am willing to bet a sizable portion of the crowd would opt for the supermodel rather than a pornstar.

Also screaming is overrated  :D
 
qwerty said:
Although it?s probably only a matter of time before EVs have an option to create the sound and feel of an ICE.
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Yep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5mbgjOaQU&t=467s

If you think it, someone will do it.
 
akkord said:
Check out the EV Cayenne in a few years, maybe USC can finally convert you over to his side.  And then you'd have a EV cheat too.  I was looking at the Taycan, but will wait to see what the EV Macan looks like and the Taycan should have a couple years under its belt if the Macan doesn't do it for me.
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Yeah, I'm waiting for an EV Macan but I won't buy it in the first year of production as there are always bugs that will need to be ironed out. I will keep the last ICE Porsche GT car in my garage when Porsche goes turbo or hybrid with their GT cars.
 
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.
 
OCtoSV said:
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.
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EV adoption is coming slowly but surely, so at some point most car companies will pivot due to laws, regulations, etc.  If the EV Macan doesn't materialize, I'm still not getting a Tesla. 

As technology moves forward, I'd assume better pricing and efficiency too, there will be economies of scale and what VW learned from their previous EV platforms will help reduce future costs....My 10 yr old 65in plasma costed more than my 82in Samsung, but the Samsung runs way cooler and is brighter.
 
OCtoSV said:
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.
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eGolf was considered a "compliance" model for VW.  State and Federal laws have certain MPG mandates that force car manufacturers to take a hit on certain models so they can still sell higher profit margin (ie. gas guzzler) models in certain states.
 
akkord said:
OCtoSV said:
I wonder if we'll see an EV Macan. The problem for Porsche is they will lose boatloads on any EV car they made. I just traded in a 2017 eGolf for my M3 as it was coming up to the end of the lease and VW didn't have another EV. Why? Because they lose huge $$ on every eGolf. Only Tesla has mastered how to eke out a profit with EVs, and that required billions of $$ in Obama green funding (i.e. taxpayer dollars). Unless the German taxpayers are willing to fund a similar endeavor Porsche will slow roll all EV development - they can't afford it.
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EV adoption is coming slowly but surely, so at some point most car companies will pivot due to laws, regulations, etc.  If the EV Macan doesn't materialize, I'm still not getting a Tesla. 

As technology moves forward, I'd assume better pricing and efficiency too, there will be economies of scale and what VW learned from their previous EV platforms will help reduce future costs....My 10 yr old 65in plasma costed more than my 82in Samsung, but the Samsung runs way cooler and is brighter.
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Yes, I like to have more options for EV. Tesla looking cool at the beginning, and as the years goes by it becoming a boring factor for the X, 3 and even the Y.

2021 and 2022 will bring more bizzaz for EV. By then my lease will end and I will make a decision for EV.
 
VW's ID series looks good... especially this Audi Q4 Fastback based on the ID4 platform:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33222611/audi-q4-sportback-e-tron-concept-revealed/

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Would be great if EV's have something bigger, 3 rows, seats more than 5... cyberminivan

I didn't care much for tesla's prior to the 3, but ever since owning one, it's great (just like how I felt about iphone vs android in the beginning, and quite happy with the iphone ever since owning one).
 
AW said:
Would be great if EV's have something bigger, 3 rows, seats more than 5... cyberminivan

I didn't care much for tesla's prior to the 3, but ever since owning one, it's great (just like how I felt about iphone vs android in the beginning, and quite happy with the iphone ever since owning one).
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Doesnt the X have a 6 and 7 seater option?
 
akkord said:
AW said:
Would be great if EV's have something bigger, 3 rows, seats more than 5... cyberminivan

I didn't care much for tesla's prior to the 3, but ever since owning one, it's great (just like how I felt about iphone vs android in the beginning, and quite happy with the iphone ever since owning one).
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Doesnt the X have a 6 and 7 seater option?
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True...  but you won?t be able to fit anything else, bags, luggages, kids stuff etc, because of rear slope line for efficiency, I need something to accommodate more stuff. 
Cybertruck is the closest thing, watch out Irvine, it?ll be the new minivan
 
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