Tesla Model 3
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Elon just shed a tear.
How exciting though right? This really does shake up the industry.. going to force other manufacturers to follow suit and release more electric cars.
Eventually though, CA is going to move to a mileage tax.
It's not just for one guy. The rebates are for everyone...Musk is just very good at creating business to receive most benefit. It's not like the tax credits are just for Tesla cars.
Also, there is a "greater good" argument for moving away from traditional car/fossil fuel. That's what government subsidies are supposed to do, guide the economy and market to what it believes to be the "greater good".
I mean, fossil fuel companies get a ton of government subsidies as well.
That's one of the things that Tesla intends on doing...charging infrastructure is a big hurdle.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesl...tone-over-2800-individuals-superchargers.html
Main point is the the $7500 Fed Tax Credit and $2500 CA Tax credit. There is probably no chance you will get it if you reserved online and it's even not guaranteed if you reserved in person.
Elon also tweeted that everyone who reserved in person will get a "small token of appreciation". Hopefully it's more than a Tesla t-shirt or baseball cap.
There is no "greater good" argument here. This is a straight transfer of wealth from the rich to other rich so you can drive around in a "neat" toy. If you think you are saving the environment you're deluding yourself. The carbon footprint in creating just one of these cars smothers the efficiency of a good old, cheaper, four banger gas car. The energy has to come from somewhere and chances are its an old coal fired power plant. You actually do more environmental harm than good with these cars. Fate it seems is not without a sense of irony.
https://youtu.be/i0u1qTd6z44
Once Again: Electric Cars Have Lower Lifetime Carbon Emissions
http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ric-cars-have-lower-lifetime-carbon-emissions
So tax credit is for 200k vehicles right? Probably puts day 3 orders passed that mark. I doubt all of those 200k keep their orders as well.
Don't read this if you are pro model 3.
I don't mean to be a downer. I read, "an estimate of cars Tesla has sold is 50k-60k cars as of 12/31/15 and has a backlog of other cars (model x and s) to fill." Also, talks about the estimate of vehicles Tesla might sell before Model 3.
Source:http://www.greencarreports.com/news...la-model-3-online-details-released-by-company
Again this is just an estimate by the article. (Who knows, right?)
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jmoney74
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aquabliss said:
Elon just shed a tear.
How exciting though right? This really does shake up the industry.. going to force other manufacturers to follow suit and release more electric cars.
Eventually though, CA is going to move to a mileage tax.
Irvinecommuter
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morekaos said:
It's not just for one guy. The rebates are for everyone...Musk is just very good at creating business to receive most benefit. It's not like the tax credits are just for Tesla cars.
Also, there is a "greater good" argument for moving away from traditional car/fossil fuel. That's what government subsidies are supposed to do, guide the economy and market to what it believes to be the "greater good".
I mean, fossil fuel companies get a ton of government subsidies as well.
Irvinecommuter
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lnc said:
That's one of the things that Tesla intends on doing...charging infrastructure is a big hurdle.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesl...tone-over-2800-individuals-superchargers.html
woodburyowner
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AW said:
Main point is the the $7500 Fed Tax Credit and $2500 CA Tax credit. There is probably no chance you will get it if you reserved online and it's even not guaranteed if you reserved in person.
Elon also tweeted that everyone who reserved in person will get a "small token of appreciation". Hopefully it's more than a Tesla t-shirt or baseball cap.
Btw, i wonder how many of 200k+ pre-order is from California and existing Tesla owners.
I believe roll-out is to Californians first with people living closest to the assembly plant. That means Southern Cali's have a better chance of getting the subsidy than the out of state folks. But, I think it's a awesome value even without the subsidy. I already removed the subsidy out of my equation.
Only question is the reliability. But, the model 3 is simpler and less electronics compared to S and X so hopefully, it will be more reliable.
I believe roll-out is to Californians first with people living closest to the assembly plant. That means Southern Cali's have a better chance of getting the subsidy than the out of state folks. But, I think it's a awesome value even without the subsidy. I already removed the subsidy out of my equation.
Only question is the reliability. But, the model 3 is simpler and less electronics compared to S and X so hopefully, it will be more reliable.
morekaos
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Irvinecommuter said:
There is no "greater good" argument here. This is a straight transfer of wealth from the rich to other rich so you can drive around in a "neat" toy. If you think you are saving the environment you're deluding yourself. The carbon footprint in creating just one of these cars smothers the efficiency of a good old, cheaper, four banger gas car. The energy has to come from somewhere and chances are its an old coal fired power plant. You actually do more environmental harm than good with these cars. Fate it seems is not without a sense of irony.
https://youtu.be/i0u1qTd6z44
SubSolar
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morekaos said:
Once Again: Electric Cars Have Lower Lifetime Carbon Emissions
http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ric-cars-have-lower-lifetime-carbon-emissions
morekaos
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Once again...We must destroy the earth in order to save it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-19830232
Electric cars 'pose environmental threat'
The team looked at the life-cycle impact of conventional and electric vehicles.
In essence, they considered how the production, the use and the end-of-life dismantling of a car affects the environment, explained co-author Prof Anders Hammer Stromman.
"The production phase of electric vehicles proved substantially more environmentally intensive," the report said, comparing it to how petrol and diesel cars are made.
"The global warming potential from electric vehicle production is about twice that of conventional vehicles."
In addition, producing batteries and electric motors requires a lot of toxic minerals such as nickel, copper and aluminium.
Hence, the acidification impact is much greater than that of conventional car production.
"Across the other impacts considered in the analysis including potential for effects related to acid rain, airborne particulate matter, smog, human toxicity, ecosystem toxicity and depletion of fossil fuel and mineral resources, electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation," according to Prof Stromman.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-19830232
Electric cars 'pose environmental threat'
The team looked at the life-cycle impact of conventional and electric vehicles.
In essence, they considered how the production, the use and the end-of-life dismantling of a car affects the environment, explained co-author Prof Anders Hammer Stromman.
"The production phase of electric vehicles proved substantially more environmentally intensive," the report said, comparing it to how petrol and diesel cars are made.
"The global warming potential from electric vehicle production is about twice that of conventional vehicles."
In addition, producing batteries and electric motors requires a lot of toxic minerals such as nickel, copper and aluminium.
Hence, the acidification impact is much greater than that of conventional car production.
"Across the other impacts considered in the analysis including potential for effects related to acid rain, airborne particulate matter, smog, human toxicity, ecosystem toxicity and depletion of fossil fuel and mineral resources, electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation," according to Prof Stromman.
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jmoney74
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woodburyowner said:
So tax credit is for 200k vehicles right? Probably puts day 3 orders passed that mark. I doubt all of those 200k keep their orders as well.
eyephone said:
Don't read this if you are pro model 3.
I don't mean to be a downer. I read, "an estimate of cars Tesla has sold is 50k-60k cars as of 12/31/15 and has a backlog of other cars (model x and s) to fill." Also, talks about the estimate of vehicles Tesla might sell before Model 3.
Source:http://www.greencarreports.com/news...la-model-3-online-details-released-by-company
Again this is just an estimate by the article. (Who knows, right?)
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jmoney74
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Guess just wait and see