Tesla Model 3

[qwerty]

A 35k electric car will bankrupt tesla.

Why?  The idea is that Tesla's battery factories will be up and running thus dramatically reducing the cost of production.

Their gigafactory is behind schedule, my guess is they will underestimate the time and costs it takes to finish it. It doesn't appear that the factory will have enough capacity for all the cheap batteries you speak of.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

A 35k electric car will bankrupt tesla.

Why?  The idea is that Tesla's battery factories will be up and running thus dramatically reducing the cost of production.

Their gigafactory is behind schedule, my guess is they will underestimate the time and costs it takes to finish it. It doesn't appear that the factory will have enough capacity for all the cheap batteries you speak of.

Clearly the production of Tesla will be contingent on the factories opening up...therefore the 2017 anticipated date.  No reason that they can't push back that date

 

[qwerty]

A 35k electric car will bankrupt tesla.

Why?  The idea is that Tesla's battery factories will be up and running thus dramatically reducing the cost of production.

Their gigafactory is behind schedule, my guess is they will underestimate the time and costs it takes to finish it. It doesn't appear that the factory will have enough capacity for all the cheap batteries you speak of.

Clearly the production of Tesla will be contingent on the factories opening up...therefore the 2017 anticipated date.  No reason that they can't push back that date.

Why would things get delayed? Probably cause hey don't know what the fuck they are doing and blowing cost estimates. And they won't be able to produce a 35k mass produced car without losing money.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

A 35k electric car will bankrupt tesla.

Why?  The idea is that Tesla's battery factories will be up and running thus dramatically reducing the cost of production.

Their gigafactory is behind schedule, my guess is they will underestimate the time and costs it takes to finish it. It doesn't appear that the factory will have enough capacity for all the cheap batteries you speak of.

Clearly the production of Tesla will be contingent on the factories opening up...therefore the 2017 anticipated date.  No reason that they can't push back that date.

Why would things get delayed? Probably cause hey don't know what the fuck they are doing and blowing cost estimates. And they won't be able to produce a 35k mass produced car without losing money.

Using the ?most cases? reference from JB Straubel, that would most likely mean that the standard 85 kW version Model S would be a safe bet to have battery costs at ?less than a quarter? ? that translates to a total maximum cost of about $20,250 or $238/kWh.  Pretty cheap.

So how much would it cost to power a smaller, 200 mile entry level EV from Tesla?  We estimate it could be achieved from around 50kWh seeing how the 60 kWh version of the Model S is rated at 208 miles by the EPA. The third generation Tesla will be a much smaller, lighter and we assume more aerodynamic proposition.

50 kWh of lithium power would only translate to a maximum of $11,900 in costs?still plenty of room to still build out the rest of the car.

http://insideevs.com/tesla-battery-...less-than-a-quarter-of-the-car-in-most-cases/

 

[qwerty]

Ok. We will just have to see. Actions speak louder than words. If things were so rosy they wouldn't be so far behind schedule

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Ok. We will just have to see. Actions speak louder than words. If things were so rosy they wouldn't be so far behind schedule

Well...if they do make it...the kinks would have been worked out.

Also, all the articles I have read is that the factory is on/ahead of schedule and already producing batteries.
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/04/tesla-gigafactory-ahead-of-schedule-production-beginning-in-q4/

 

[eyephone]

A 35k electric car will bankrupt tesla.

Why?  The idea is that Tesla's battery factories will be up and running thus dramatically reducing the cost of production.

Their gigafactory is behind schedule, my guess is they will underestimate the time and costs it takes to finish it. It doesn't appear that the factory will have enough capacity for all the cheap batteries you speak of.

Clearly the production of Tesla will be contingent on the factories opening up...therefore the 2017 anticipated date.  No reason that they can't push back that date.

Why would things get delayed? Probably cause hey don't know what the fuck they are doing and blowing cost estimates. And they won't be able to produce a 35k mass produced car without losing money.

Chevy bolt, I'm telling you

 

[qwerty]

What about the Chevy bolt?

 

[eyephone]

What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies

http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I still think plug-in longer range hybrids are where it's at.

EV most of your local driving, hybrid when you need the range.

The Tesla 3 will probably look much nicer than the Chevy Bolt EV.

 

[eyephone]

I still think plug-in longer range hybrids are where it's at.

EV most of your local driving, hybrid when you need the range.

The Tesla 3 will probably look much nicer than the Chevy Bolt EV.

But until this point Tesla had the long range EV vehicles, now their are other players

 

[qwerty]

What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies

http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz

I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

 

[Maserson]

I was initially thinking Costa Mesa would be the easiest because it's not in a mall but the unofficial Google Docs spreadsheet shows more Costa Mesa people, 1 Fashion Island and zero Mission Viejo. 

I don't really go to The Shops in Mission Viejo.  Which traffic is worse  on a Thursday morning from Irvine, going to Fashion Island or south to MV?

 

[AW]

Wouldn't that depend on where you are in Irvine?

 

[Maserson]

PS for me.  I'm just not sure about traffic on the 5 south.

 

[AW]

google maps (on desktop) will show you typical traffic, and it seems ok (depending on what time) and it's mostly highway driving... fashion island would have significantly more local traffic imo

 

[qwerty]

I was initially thinking Costa Mesa would be the easiest because it's not in a mall but the unofficial Google Docs spreadsheet shows more Costa Mesa people, 1 Fashion Island and zero Mission Viejo. 

I don't really go to The Shops in Mission Viejo.  Which traffic is worse  on a Thursday morning from Irvine, going to Fashion Island or south to MV?

In the morning, From PS it is easier to get to the shops at MV than Costa Mesa or fashion island. You will be going against traffic

 

[eyephone]

What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies

http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz

I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/388...oss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

 

[Irvinecommuter]

What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies

http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz

I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/388...oss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.  There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin
http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/
http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

 

[eyephone]

What about the Chevy bolt?

200 miles plus EV , $30k after tax subsidies

http://mashable.com/2016/03/22/2017-chevrolet-bolt-pre-production/#oRiGCUP.2Sqz

I believe GM loses money on every volt sold but they can do that because they have other profits from other profitable product lines. If GM only sold volts they would be out of business

Edit - just noticed you were saying bolt not volt. I still think they will lose money on every bolt sold.

According to seeking alpha, "Tesla loss per car sold approximately $18,331.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/388...oss-per-car-net-margin-hit-frightening-levels

Sorry..that's a really poor way of measuring profitability.  Tesla has been on an expansion and R&D binge.  That's is why they using up money, not because they're losing money on cars.  There are several articles that estimate that Tesla's profit margin on the Tesla S is as high as 25%, which is incredibly high for a car.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2790765-the-truth-about-teslas-gross-margin
http://marketrealist.com/2015/10/projections-teslas-3q15-gross-margins-drivers/
http://bgr.com/2015/08/11/tesla-model-s-profits-4000/

The r&d expenses and SG&A expenses have been increasing.