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[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1231992138][quote author="momopi" date=1231985308]I'm a Fullerton JC & CSU Fullerton Alumni. Graduated from CSUF in 2001. Good times.



I visit the San Gabriel River horse trails in El Monte from time to time. There are many Hispanic folks there out for a walk or exercise. Majority of them are polite and will greet you.



In Irvine, where income and education level is higher, many people in my own neighborhood would ignore or pretend that I didn't exist when I greet them.



At the supermarket here, everyone waiting in line appear as if they're solitude monks or nuns, eyes down cast and keeping their small distance from each other. Almost as if they were afraid to offend someone by looking at them.



In the Philippines, you could chat with people while waiting to cross the street. People respond to you like normal human beings.



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Wealth and education doesn't necessarily make better people. Sometimes I have to go elsewhere to validate my own existence.</blockquote>


Interesting you mention this.. My family and I went on a hike in Fullerton and walked through the neighborhood we are considering moving to. At least a handful of people, out in their yards, greeted us as we walked by as did everyone else we passed on the trail and streets. I also noticed a significant number of children playing outside something I don't see much of in Irvine, especially given it is a city full of kids. I've too notice that adults keep to themselves more in Irvine. Glad to know I'm not the only one to observe this.



BTW, my husband and I are CSUF grads too!</blockquote>
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_University,_Fullerton#Traditions



<em>* Statue of Fallen David



Near the center of a campus lays a scale replica of Michaelangelo's David that lays broken. It was brought onto campus by a professor in 1988 after the statue had broken apart during the 1987 Whittier-Narrows earthquake. This structure was made out of white marble. Its original meaning was intended to be "no man-made structure can withstand the power of nature." However, its upwards-facing buttocks is softly rubbed in a clock-wise motion by students before turning in an essay in hopes of earning an "A".</em>



<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/18/CalStateFullertonTitans.png/180px-CalStateFullertonTitans.png" alt="" />
 
[quote author="JWC6" date=1231906735]Korean entrepreneurs are purchasing entire shopping centers in Fullerton and remaking them, such as an old Pavilions market that gave way to a Korean travel agency and tutoring center, said John Godlewski, Fullerton's community development director. He predicts the future will bring similar developments catering to Asian Americans.

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I used to take my kid to Gymboree at this ex-Pavillions shopping center in Fullerton. The center is nearly deserted. Nearly all of the non-Korean tenants of this center have moved out, including Gymboree (they moved to La Habra). Before they moved, I asked the Gymboree owner why they were moving and he said it was because of of the changing demographic of the center.
 
I know this is a ways from the area you mentioned, but I recently got lost driving to the Nixon Library in Yorba Linda. I was surprised at how much I liked that entire area. It was beautiful - lots of full growth trees, not many cookie cutter homes, not so much traffic, walkable areas, not overrun with chain stores but enough it fit basic needs. Maybe it helped that it was winter so there was no smog and it wasn't hot, but I really liked that part of Orange County.
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1231996104][quote author="JWC6" date=1231906735]Korean entrepreneurs are purchasing entire shopping centers in Fullerton and remaking them, such as an old Pavilions market that gave way to a Korean travel agency and tutoring center, said John Godlewski, Fullerton's community development director. He predicts the future will bring similar developments catering to Asian Americans.

</blockquote>


I used to take my kid to Gymboree at this ex-Pavillions shopping center in Fullerton. The center is nearly deserted. Nearly all of the non-Korean tenants of this center have moved out, including Gymboree (they moved to La Habra). Before they moved, I asked the Gymboree owner why they were moving and he said it was because of of the changing demographic of the center.</blockquote>


Their is a high concentration of Koreans in the North-West section of Fullerton. A few years back a new master planned community was built upon the old Huges Aircraft site and many Koreans purchase homes here (Malvern & Bastenchury). I believe the elementary school in this neighborhood is 70% Korean. The Northern section of Fullerton has a high concentration of hispanics. Outside of these two sections, the demographics are very diverse.
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1231995967]http://en.wiki.org/wiki/California_State_University,_Fullerton#Traditions



<em>* Statue of Fallen David



Near the center of a campus lays a scale replica of Michaelangelo's David that lays broken. It was brought onto campus by a professor in 1988 after the statue had broken apart during the 1987 Whittier-Narrows earthquake. This structure was made out of white marble. Its original meaning was intended to be "no man-made structure can withstand the power of nature." However, its upwards-facing buttocks is softly rubbed in a clock-wise motion by students before turning in an essay in hopes of earning an "A".</em>



<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wiki/en/thumb/1/18/CalStateFullertonTitans.png/180px-CalStateFullertonTitans.png" alt="" /></blockquote>


I didn't know of this statues grade enhancing powers before. Maybe this is the secret to getting into the cum laude club?
 
Grew up in Fullerton and went to Sunny Hills a long time ago. I believe the high school is over 40% Asian now, mainly Korean.



My sister lives in Amerige Heights (old Hughes site) and her three surrounding neighbors are Korean.

I like certain sections of Fullerton. The area north of FJC & CSUF is nice.



A little wary of the area along Valencia between Harbor and Euclid.



Food at El Camino Real near Euclid and Commonwealth is great!
 
Nestled into the hills of Northern OC are two of my favorite sibling twin cities. I would consider living there for many reasons and facets that would enrich my lifestyle and culture. Although a portion of Brea and Fullerton are situated on flat land with traditional gridded street some of their neighborhoods are situated into the rolling hills with picturesque windy streets. The view from the view terraced lots offer forever spectacular view of city lights vanishing into the Pacific and spectacular fireworks every night at 9:35.



Brea was founded because of the oil boom at the turn of last century while Fullerton flourished from its agricultural legacy. Brea for years and still is the less populated cities compared to its sibling and other OC cities due to its location far removed from major transportation corridors such as railroad and freeway. The 57 freeway was constructed during the 70?s providing access to Brea and prior to that, drivers were using back roads. Freeway 5 was Coast Blvd during the 1910?s connected Fullerton to LA by cars but a majority of its population traveled by train. The Fullerton train (Amtrak) boarding depot also is utilized as a Greyhound terminal still function as a vibrant amenity serving commuters.



Brea and Fullerton since the early 80?s was blessed with visionary planners recruited from famed universities near by. The solutions that we are seeing today in both towns are the results of almost 25 years of revitalizations.



Both have their unique ?main street like? downtown. Fullerton has the finest architectural landmarks in OC encompassing many permanent civic buildings from the WPA (Work Progress Administration) era to stimulate economic growth from the 1929 depression. The old city hall and police headquarter are two of my favorite Spanish Colonial/ Deco buildings. Many buildings in Fullerton date back to the early 1900?s along Harbor Blvd and Commonwealth. Many of the old structures are now concert halls, museums, city college buildings, and city sponsored clubs. Walking through the campus of the old buildings reminded me of a by gone era neighborhood that no longer exist and a community that was built for people and aesthetic and not base on land economics.

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Departments/plummerauditoriumold.jpg" alt="" />

Plummer Auditorium Concert Hall

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Visitors/chapman.jpg " alt="" />

Chapman Bank Building

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Visitors/pd2.jpg" alt="" />

Fullerton City Hall

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Cultural Center







The decline of railway patronage after 1940?s eventually took a toll to the main terminal building which almost led to its demise during the late 70?s. A strong group of preservationist mothballed the structure with intention to rehab it for future use. It remained transient for many years until the Old Spaghetti factory moved it to the current location from across the street. This successful template of rehabilitation led to a unique mission embraced by the City of Fullerton. Several landmarks include the Fox theatre sat in vacancy for decades waiting for a glamorous revival. A famous banquet restaurant White House rejuvenated a large vacant renaissance revival mansion.

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Visitors/union_station.jpg" alt="" />

Adaptive use of Union Pacific depot Spaghetti Factory

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Train boarding depot

<img src="http://www.foxfullerton.org/images/facade-night.jpg" alt="" />

Fox-Warner Theatre

<img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/169/421634158_5871495997.jpg?v=0" alt="" />

Revitalized office structure



Wealth of Fullerton came from its agricultural packing factories south of the track. Most of the farmers from OC including Irvine, Tustin, and Santa Ana sent their crops to Fullerton for packaging via the railroad and from there crates of fruits and vegetable were supplied to the west coast and out of states. Sunkist had a packing house in Fullerton as well. Later the city matured into food processing and benefitted adjacent cities as the empire of food headquarter such as Kraft and Nabisco in Buena Park and the Knott family also started their berry and jam operation.



As many of the manufacturers aged and cost of labor and living went up Fullerton could no longer operate efficiently and profitably. Large acreage of land of the former packing plants became excellent candidates for housing for the returning GIs from WWII and Korean War. The former Hughes aircraft facility is another example of reclaimed land. Fullerton reflected a community that slowly grew over the last 100 years. Homes that Madonna 1980 has seen reflected the trend of various periods from Mission Revival 1890s to transitional craftsman 1905, Craftsman Bungalow 1910s, Spanish Colonial Revival 1920s, French Normandy cottage 1925, Anglo Colonial 1930, Deco Moderne 1935?s, International Style 1940?s, single story ranch 1945, mid century modern 1950, builders craps after 1955.



Fullerton downtown in the last decade was blessed with tremendous revitalization success. Restaurants and bars introduced life back into the city. It was a double edge sword success also came with negative such as public drunkenness and loitering. The area of Raymond hills is one of the oldest areas west of downtown within walking distances full of beautiful period houses from 1920-1940. The tree line streets of Jacarandas and well setback homes has the charm of Floral Park is among the best in OC.

http://www.thealleyclub.com/whiteminilights.jpg

Downtown shops







The success of its school was predominant helmed by white but slowly retained its accolade by other ethnicities including Asians. Both Sunny Hills and Troy held up home values. The nature park systems are all connected through ravines, hills, valleys and golf courses that stretched from Brea to the heart of Fullerton cumulatively a 10 miles stretch with interesting terrains and city view unlike the flat parks on least desirable land that we see in master planned communities. The most scenic lands were dedicated to parks.

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Departments/ParksRec/Laguna-Lake-Sign-008.jpg" alt="" />

10 miles stretch of parks and water ways

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Departments/REcDev/hillcrest4.jpg" alt="" />

Steps to hilly terrains

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Departments/REcDev/hillcrest7.jpg" alt="" />

Typical period style park recreational structure

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Departments/ParksRec/wedding3.jpg" alt="" />

Weddings held at the parks

<img src="http://www.cityoffullerton.com/images/Departments/DServices/majordev_550.gif" alt="" />

2 vast area of green zones measuring 10 miles of green space are connected from Brea to Anaheim.





Fullerton is connected to Brea through Old Brea Blvd along the back side of Brea. The Saint Jude medical headquarter is a positive attribute benefitting both Brea and Fullerton. Doctors living nearby demand a higher quality of environment in both commercial and residential. Newer master planned communities are not packed in yielding a lower density along Bastenchury is pleasant and natural. View is phenomenal from these newer homes. Beware of speed traps on this road.



These 2 cities are ideal for Asians because Rowland Heights is only 10 minutes away by taking Harbor Blvd or the 57 freeway. Demographic of Brea Mall shoppers is 35 percents Asians and shops are catered for affordability unlike South Coast plaza. Other signs of strong Chinese and Korean restaurants are strong indicator of ethnicity migration around the area by Costco. Yum Cha Caf? not far from there is just one of the many to come. South Brea lofts should have been built in Fullerton downtown rather than on Brea Blvd. Downtown Brea has not acquired its critical mass for this type of product. On the other hand Soco Walks (south of Commonwealth) by Olson Company by the train depot is at a better spot but it also hit hard time.



The area south of the track is referred to as South Fullerton but north of 91 fwy was the blue collared neighborhoods for the factories and it has not changed over the years. Maple Elementary School in the neighborhood offers numerous Christian outreach program and soup kitchen for the poor families in partnership with EV Free Church of Fullerton. The train track separates the wealthy and the poor just like 17th street separates Floral Park from Santa Ana.



Lesser known higher learning institution such as So Cal school of Optometry and South Western Law School also add prestigious reputation to this well rounded City of Fullerton.



The quality of lifestyle, character, diversities, history, scenic parks, recreation, education, city legacy and convenient location is unmatched by any newer cities. I will stamp a high level of ?Bkshopr? approval for Fullerton.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1231944586][quote author="SoCal78" date=1231943734]"we also grew a one HUGE pumpkin this year that no one ever planted either."



OMG. I don't know why that strikes me as so funny but I'm dying laughing. :-D</blockquote>


We laughed about it for the entire 9 months it grew, and that is even funnier.</blockquote>


Hmmm. maybe those were pumpkins sprouting up here? I kept finding things that looked like a squash or cucumber popping up in the oddest places. I pulled them out because they would have overtaken things that I actually planted, but always wondered what it was that I was pulling up. As if I even need to say this, but I would be so stoked to have wild tomatoes that weren't crap cherries volunteer in my yard. I would certainly give them deference over gardenias or lavenders that I planted. How big is your lot that you can just let pumpkins grow without interfering with your landscape? The more I hear about your place, the more I like it.
 
"I will stamp a high level of ?Bkshopr? approval for Fullerton."



All right! My hometown got a high rating from Bkshopr!



Sometimes I forget how beautiful that town is until I drive back home to visit my folks. Even the area south of the tracks, but north of the 91, which is known as the barrio "Fullerton's Toker Town" has a lot of beautiful vintage homes with goergous giant jacaranda trees. The trees are so big that those on opposite sides of the street touch each other at their tops.



During the spring when the jacarandas are in full bloom, their incandescent blossoms glow against the June gloom sky. Then during the still night, the soft pitter patter of the blossoms falling to the street below can be heard along with the sweet, but clamorous calls of the mocking bird in full career.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this. I got teary eyed reading "Walking through the campus of the old buildings reminded me of a by gone era neighborhood that no longer exists and a community that was built for people and aesthetic and not base on land economics." I'm a fourth generation Orange Countian. In just my short life time I've witness many beautiful landmarks disappear over the years. It is saddening to see ones parents, grandparents, great grandparents history fade. Fullerton has done a pretty good job of preservation. The effort to revitialze the downtown has strentghened in the last 5 years. I hope that the effort is not lost in the economic downturn. I think they need a strong visionary to bring the downtown to life, though. The downtown area is still pretty quite. BKshopr are you famliar with downtown Pomona and the Cal Poly student that brought it back to life? I would love to see something similar take place in Fullerton.
 
[quote author="stepping_up" date=1232021655][quote author="tmare" date=1231944586][quote author="SoCal78" date=1231943734]"we also grew a one HUGE pumpkin this year that no one ever planted either."



OMG. I don't know why that strikes me as so funny but I'm dying laughing. :-D</blockquote>


We laughed about it for the entire 9 months it grew, and that is even funnier.</blockquote>


Hmmm. maybe those were pumpkins sprouting up here? I kept finding things that looked like a squash or cucumber popping up in the oddest places. I pulled them out because they would have overtaken things that I actually planted, but always wondered what it was that I was pulling up. As if I even need to say this, but I would be so stoked to have wild tomatoes that weren't crap cherries volunteer in my yard. I would certainly give them deference over gardenias or lavenders that I planted. How big is your lot that you can just let pumpkins grow without interfering with your landscape? The more I hear about your place, the more I like it.</blockquote>


Our lot is 16.000 square feet. The pumpkin was a bit of an imposition as it was just outside the back door and next to the kid's swingset. If we weren't so into Halloween and didn't have two kids we would have pulled it. It grew in an L shape from one end of the concrete around the pool to the other side on the side of the yard. We searched the internet for pictures as we were told repeatedly that it was a zucchini, we just couldn't imagine how any zucchini seeds could get there. It turns out that the two plants are virtually identical when they are in the flowering stage. Well, of course, it was a pumpkin and only one, which, we have learned is pretty typical. The pictures at Halloween with the kids and the pumpkin are priceless and we enjoyed carving it up. My husband tried to "accidentally" drop some seeds in the area to see if it would happen again. You were probably pulling pumpkin plants from your yard and unless you have a lot of space, good thing you did.
 
Anyone remember a little used book store/cafe in downtown Fullerton called Blue Wolf? It was one of my old hang-outs back in early 1990's era. This was before they chopped down all the beautiful tall trees in the parking lot before repaving it. :(



The lesser known college in Fullerton, Fullerton College (not Cal State) was founded in 1913. It was one of the oldest community colleges in California, and the oldest in continuous operation.



Fullerton college has an interesting anthropology & archeology department. You can actually join dig sites as part of your class, and "Anthro 107" taught by McDermott use "Magic, Witchcraft, and Religion - An Anthropological study of the Supernatural" as the text book. hehehe.



<a href="http://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/jmcdermott/">http://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/jmcdermott/</a>



Due to its close proximity to CSU Fullerton, Fullerton College has the state's 2nd highest rate of CSU transfers -- I was one of them.
 
[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1232026894]Thank you for taking the time to write this. I got teary eyed reading "Walking through the campus of the old buildings reminded me of a by gone era neighborhood that no longer exists and a community that was built for people and aesthetic and not base on land economics." I'm a fourth generation Orange Countian. In just my short life time I've witness many beautiful landmarks disappear over the years. It is saddening to see ones parents, grandparents, great grandparents history fade. Fullerton has done a pretty good job of preservation. The effort to revitialze the downtown has strentghened in the last 5 years. I hope that the effort is not lost in the economic downturn. I think they need a strong visionary to bring the downtown to life, though. The downtown area is still pretty quite. BKshopr are you famliar with downtown Pomona and the Cal Poly student that brought it back to life? I would love to see something similar take place in Fullerton.</blockquote>


Pomona's revitalization effort is vastly different from Fullerton. Pomona's fabric of neighborhoods have been infested with illegal activities such as robberies, gangs, drugs and prostitution along Holt Blvd. along the Pomona-Ontario corridor. It is a miracle for the folks at Pomona for overcoming the odds. White migration and influx of lowest income strata demographic with mostly Blacks and Latinos local businesses faced economic challenges.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1232075432] Pomona's fabric of neighborhoods have been infested with illegal activities such as robberies, gangs, drugs and prostitution along Holt Blvd. along the Pomona-Ontario corridor.</blockquote>


Your description of Holt Blvd. in Pomona is an accurate description of University Ave. in Riverside in the early 90s. Today, many old buildings in downtown Riverside have been restored and revitalized, including many located on charming pedestrian malls, anchored by the refurbished Mission Inn:



<img src="http://www.richkern.com/vb/Articles/OtherCalifornia/RiversideMission.JPG" alt="" />
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1232079604]It is an interesting building. It is a masonry version of the Sarah Winchester House in San Jose.</blockquote>


Yes, the builder of Mission Inn was insane, like Mrs. Winchester. I've always thought of the Mission Inn as the 909 Hearst Castle. Some of Standard Pacific's current floor plans, such as their homes built on the BKK landfill in Walnut, remind me of the Winchester Mystery House.
 
I just got back hanging out with my in-laws at a Denny's in Fullerton. I have never seen anything like this in Chicago before. There must of been like 40 people there, and I swear 38 of them were Korean with 2 white couple sitting right behind me. These Koreans were speaking Korean so loud I swear I thought i was in some Korean Bar in K-Town.



I really felt sorry for the two white couple sitting behind me that i wanted to apologize.
 
Don't kid yourself. They were happy they got a table in the joint and not be denied service.



You might consider moving there. My buddy lives close to there - hell, two of them live close to there. One's even Korean!
 
[quote author="PANDA" date=1232724905]I just got back hanging out with my in-laws at a Denny's in Fullerton. I have never seen anything like this in Chicago before. There must of been like 40 people there, and I swear 38 of them were Korean with 2 white couple sitting right behind me. These Koreans were speaking Korean so loud I swear I thought i was in some Korean Bar in K-Town.



I really felt sorry for the two white couple sitting behind me that i wanted to apologize.</blockquote>


Take your in-laws to Cafe Veronese in Fullerton for tea (but not food):



Veronese Gallery Cafe

419 W Commonwealth Ave

Fullerton, CA 92831

(714) 578-8265

<a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/veronese-gallery-cafe-fullerton-2">http://www.yelp.com/biz/veronese-gallery-cafe-fullerton-2</a>

<a href="http://www.419cv.com/">http://www.419cv.com/</a>





The better Korean restaurants are in Buena Park area and not Fullerton. Take them to Ye-Dang in La Habra for dinner:



Ye-Dang Korean Restaurant

1351 S Beach Blvd

La Habra, CA 90631

(562) 943-3400

<a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/ye-dang-korean-restaurant-la-habra">http://www.yelp.com/biz/ye-dang-korean-restaurant-la-habra</a>
 
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