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Earl Scheib_IHB

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<p>I love the location but when I drove through all I saw were asians. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but my wife was a little worried about being excluded socially because of the possible language/culture barrier. Should we be concerned about our neighbors being a little distant or unable to communicate? </p>
 
Hi Earl... is that an alias? I just had an old car painted at Earl Scheib's. hehehe.





Generally speaking, the majority of the adult asians will ignore you and keep to themselves. If you prefer to be left alone, they make great neighbors. Nice and quiet.





The kids will quickly mingle and get along just fine.





I like the flower shop (Kabloom) by Quail Hill.



 
<p>Hi Earl, I am Asian (albeit very Americanized) and I understand your concern. I'm currently shopping for a home in OC and I'm trying to avoid having too many Asian neighbors. Momopi is right, that older/immigrant Asians do keep to themselves. I am currently living in San Jose in a little cul-de-sac of 11 homes, 5 of which (including mine) are occupied by Asian familes. We do not socialize with them because they keep to themselves, despite having a common language and culture with 3 other families. The neighbors we do socialize with happen to be Mexican and White. The house 2 doors from us is for rent right now and it's funny that my family is praying it not be an Asian family that moves in.</p>

<p>A few years ago when I lived in OC, I was in a cul-de-sac of about 6 houses. All of the other families were white with one Hispanic family. We got to know everyone on a first name basis, regularly borrowed tools from one another, had block parties, and some of us even had each others' house keys. I'm not sure if it's the language barrier or if it's part of the culture, but I don't see Asians socializing like the way I did with my old neighbors.</p>

<p>So to answer your question, your concerns are warranted. If you want to live in a quiet neighborhood and be left alone, then an Asian neighborhood would be perfect for you. But if you want to have sociable neighbors and have BBQs and dinner parties with them, then Asian neighbors wont fit the bill, unless they are Americanized like myself.</p>
 
Pretty much all of Irvine has been invaded by Asians. If you don't like them, prehaps Newport Coast is more for you. I share your concerns, too, and just like dc5rider, I am myself Asian. They drive 15 mph in a 30 mph zone...annoying to say the least. They don't like to socialize because they are afraid of bad influence on their children. A valid point. So they lock their children inside the house, if not piano lessons, then SAT prep classes or Chinese school on Sundays. Pretty much not much time left to socialize, exactly how they like it to be.
 
I have lived in Quail Hill and yes there are alot of Asian people. They are really polite though and especially the older people. They greet you as you walk by and are just really nice. The thing is that some people do not want to live in an all Asian area or an area inhabited by all of one specific race, not necessarily Asian. It might be boring for you unless as the others have said, you meet the Americanized Asian people. It seems like the Americanized Asian people are more social and like to come outside to talk to their neighbors and stuff. If you have the Asian neighbors with the language barrier they are also very nice but they don't socialize as much.
 
<p>At least the Asians in Irvine will do you no harm. Whether you like it or not, they are no doubt the main reason that Irvine has the best public schools.</p>
 
<p>IIlrivine: Your stereotypical driving comments just make an Asian neighborhood more appealing. Personally, I'll take a careful driver going 15 mph in a 30 mph zone over the more typical self absorbed morons wheeling around at 60 mph in the same 30 mph zone while yaking on the cell phone.</p>

<p>Further, in my White mind, the "Asian Invasion" you reference in Irvine only make this place all the more desireable --- I have no doubt that the qualities they bring to the community have been a major factor in the Irvine property values --- which I believe is what the whole point of this message board is?</p>
 
A good way to get an idea of the demographics of a neighborhood is to look up the stats of the local elementary school. They list the represented ethnicities of the students by percentage.
 
<p>Earl...here's the deal, you don't feel comfortable around us... I don't feel comfortable around people like you. Let me help you out... rsm, san clemente, most of mission viejo (excluding ladera), foothill ranch/el toro... they have plenty of non-asians there... schools are good (some are just as good as Irvine)... pretty much just as safe. Let me give you a website to hit up... <a href="http://www.greatshools.net">www.greatschools.net</a>... find a city/school you are interested in... click the "compare" link just under the school's enrollment information and find the "ethnicity" tab... sort by white... and the greater the number... the better for you... good luck with your search.</p>
 
Personally, I feel IUSD is overhyped. It isn't that the school system offers more than say...Mission Viejo or other cities in any part of south OC. It is that the student bodies are made up of mostly Asians, who as I've stated earlier, are pressured into this life style. Their life revolves around piano lessons, SAT prep classes. Greatschools.net simply gives you the data of how the students perform on state tests, but really, their performance hinges on parent involvement which in my mind, is available anywhere.
 
<p>Sounds like you didn't enjoy your piano lessons! </p>

<p>I agree with your comments that public school districts in this area are generally the same at their core. My children will be first and foremost influenced by our parental involvement --- of which we be heavily involved. However, I believe that they are also influenced by the learning <em>environment </em>they are in ---- when you are in a setting of motivated people, you are by nature more motivated yourself. I would prefer my daugther be in an environment where the "cool" kids are the ones who excel academically, not the ones who throw the best party or can score the best weed. Did you happen to see the HS drug/alcohol usage surveys last year? Highest rate was in Laguna --- which surprised me at first, but after thinking about some of the privledged/spoiled types that likely attend that school, it becomes much less surprising). Some interesting comments in this story -- copy the link into your browser bar, don't think it links from here:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/life/education/article_134442.php">http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/life/education/article_1344442.php</a></p>

<p>So I don't find it at all a bad thing (as you seem to) that Asian parents tend to push their children to excel --- and find it an advantage that my daughter will be surrounded by highly motivated peers in school. </p>

<p>Now, I need to get going, so I can get my 3 year old scheduled for some piano lessons.....</p>
 
Hi Earl,





Tell your wife to get used to it. The Asians are moving in. If you start looking at and within the new model homes, you'll see pictures of Asians in the literature, frames, posters, and other marketing materials. Do you think that the builders are being stupid by targeting one of the most affluent ethnic groups around? With Asians in the neighborhood you can only expect higher property values and better schools. I, for one, don't mind Asian moving in. I'd rather have Asians around me than some other ethnic groups. (And no, I'm not a racist - just a little prejudice.)





-Martin
 
This thread is an amazing display of naked prejudice and racial stereotyping. I don't know if you should be commended for your honest or condemned for your attitudes.
 
Commend for honesty. I am white, my wife is asian. We live in Irvine because it reflects "us", and our priorities as new parents --- and we are generally surrounded by people who have the same priorities (although I think we are the only ones on our street hoping for an Al Gore/Barack Obama ticket in 08). I suspect a lot of home shoppers make their decisions based on the same factors as we do, whether their target area is Irvine, or Inglewood, or Indio.
 
<p>i wrote the little blurb below for the other thread where i got all crazy w/ my personal experiences w/ racisim but can't seem to post there... if this gets thru.. this will be my last post anyway... </p>

<p>grewupinirvine: here is a link to a aug. '06 oc register article... </p>

<p>http://tinyurl.com/yuodme </p>

<p>it states that 30% of oc "household" income are 100k+. not exactly the data you were looking for but it gives us a little perspective.</p>

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to all: i must applogize for my rant above... everyone has their issues and hardships in life... i wasn't looking for anyone to pity me. i was trying to explain that a lot of places some people consider "crappy" are the only places where other people may feel they belong. and because of that... prices will always carry a premium... places like monterey park and garden grove are relatively expensive because of this (of course i do not have any facts but i know lots of families that are there because of this very reason). anyway, i'm starting to babble again... i promise to keep race outta my future posts... </p>
 
<p>CK, though I don't like it, but Democrats will probably win in "08 given Bush 's Fxxxup in Iraq. but Gore/Obama? I think the chance of OC home price apprecate 20% from now to "08 is higher than Gore/Obama's chance of winning the general election. </p>
 
C'mon...we all do it. Stereotyping is the way of life, on TVs, in books. Whether you should act upon that perception is another issue for another board. There are positive and negative stereotypes
 
I recall back in 1980s, I had a black high school teacher who told me that her ex husband's family tried to buy homes in south OC some years back (1970s?) but couldn't find a realtor who'd help them. Finally they got a friend (white couple) to go in their place, then just showed up to sign the papers for the purchase. They eventually bought 2 homes in south OC and did quite well. Can you imagine a black couple facing the same problem today? Yes racism still exists, but I think we've gotten a lot better over the years.





I went to look at couple of new model homes this month, and saw some rather... hillarious attempts to marketing to asians. There was one house in south Placentia where they had a bowl or tall glass filled with rice with chopsticks sticking out of it from the center. Guess nobody ever told them that's usually used for offerings to the dead, LoL.








To: fallen_cant_getup:





Hello, I wasn't aware that Garden Grove was considered a premium location? I always pictured Costa Mesa & Los Alamitos-Rossmoor to be more premium as far as non-coastal cities go in that area?
 
<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align="left">Let's put things into perspective. Although there are more Asians in Irvine then other parts of the country, Caucasians are still clearly the majority.</p>

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<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align="left">You can take a look at the demographics on the following website:</p>

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<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align="left"><a href="http://www.city-data.com/city/Irvine-California.html">http://www.city-data.com/city/Irvine-California.html</a></p>

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<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align="left">The following is excerpted from there.</p>

<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align="left"> </p>

<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" align="left">Races in Irvine:</p>





White Non-Hispanic (57.0%)

Chinese (10.5%)

Hispanic (7.4%)

Korean (5.3%)

Two or more races (4.8%)

Japanese (3.6%)

Asian Indian (3.1%)

Vietnamese (3.1%)

Other race (2.5%)

Filipino (2.4%)

Other Asian (1.9%)

Black (1.4%)

American Indian (0.6%)

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