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SoclosetoIrvine said:
Didn't see it mentioned here yet, but Wikileaks strikes again lol

I think it's a non story with Donna Brazile apparently feeding Clinton the debate questions beforehand...I mean the questions asked weren't out of the ordinary but it is interesting how quick CNN president Jeff Zucker took to action to fire Brazile, calling it "unethical" and "disgusting".  Obviously the order came from higher ups and Brazile was the scapegoat, but it is scary to think in this country, the official presidential debates, which uses CNN supposedly for being a neutral 3rd party would have significant ties with one party.  Secondly, it raises the whole Wikileaks authenticity again (is it Russian hackers?) and how it is still possible for these sensitive information to be transmitted via email boggles my mind...I mean how hard is it to pick up the phone and say it instead of putting it in writing?  :o

Do you guys care about this at all, non story? or do you think all parties should get the questions in advance to take any advantage from both sides?  Like Rubio said, right now the democrats are suffering, tomorrow it could be the republicans.  It is scary how Wikileaks can have so much of an impact on our politics...

I still think Trump has no shot at winning but we will see what happens
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Let's do a brief summary:
Let's create more jobs and buy goods in America.
Bring back the US steel jobs. But in reality he bought steel from China.http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717

Trump hired foreign workers at his Florida club, according to the article.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/

According to fortune, Trump hired approximately 1,100 foreign workers.http://fortune.com/2015/08/03/donald-trump-foreign-workers-visas/

Trump not paying taxes because of his losses. (Allegedly losses, we don't know since he won't release his taxes)http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/01/news/trump-tax-strategy-theory/index.html

My comment: Losing approximately $1 billion dollars, using the loss not to pay taxes is not genius. It shows weakness in business skills. I'll tell what is a genius tax play, making money mega bucks and paying low taxes or a no taxes in a tax haven. (Tax inversion)

 
Perspective said:
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Didn't see it mentioned here yet, but Wikileaks strikes again lol

I think it's a non story with Donna Brazile apparently feeding Clinton the debate questions beforehand...I mean the questions asked weren't out of the ordinary but it is interesting how quick CNN president Jeff Zucker took to action to fire Brazile, calling it "unethical" and "disgusting".  Obviously the order came from higher ups and Brazile was the scapegoat, but it is scary to think in this country, the official presidential debates, which uses CNN supposedly for being a neutral 3rd party would have significant ties with one party.  Secondly, it raises the whole Wikileaks authenticity again (is it Russian hackers?) and how it is still possible for these sensitive information to be transmitted via email boggles my mind...I mean how hard is it to pick up the phone and say it instead of putting it in writing?  :o

Do you guys care about this at all, non story? or do you think all parties should get the questions in advance to take any advantage from both sides?  Like Rubio said, right now the democrats are suffering, tomorrow it could be the republicans.  It is scary how Wikileaks can have so much of an impact on our politics...

I still think Trump has no shot at winning but we will see what happens
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This feeds the Trump narrative that "everybody" is against him, especially the "media." Brazile was a talking head/pundit for CNN, not a journalist. Much of broadcast "news" isn't journalism, but rather entertainment.
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The irony is that Trump joked about this a few weeks ago at the Al Smith dinner, and people thought he was just kidding.

?Now, if some of you haven't noticed, Hillary isn't laughing as much as the rest of us. That's because she knows the jokes and all of the jokes were given to her in advance of the dinner by Donna Brazile,? he added.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-trade-jokes-al-smith/story?id=42947939
 
eyephone said:
Bring back the US steel jobs. But in reality he bought steel from China.
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Trump hired foreign workers at his Florida club, according to the article.
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According to fortune, Trump hired approximately 1,100 foreign workers.
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Not sure how your response relates to what you quoted.  Seems like quite a deflection.

IMO, it's ignorant or dishonest to criticize him for that in that context. 

He has even explained that he must do those things in order to be competitive.  That's what you do in business.  Meanwhile, he did all those things while the career politicians were in office.  A businessperson turned politician might better understand why businesses do those things and possibly have ideas on how to fix them.  Whether he can actually fulfill his promises, is doubtful and another story.

 
Your comment made me think of this movie:
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Mailed my absentee ballot today. Split ticket. Left President boxes blank (would've voted for Clinton if this state were contested because I'm squarely in the Never Trump camp); voted for Democrats for Congress/Senate; voted for Republicans in CA Assembly/Senate; and voted for local candidates not beholden to superstition.

Good times...
 
tim said:
morekaos said:
tim said:
Rashida Jones' tweet:

If we're going to equate investigations with criminality, lemme just leave this here for y'all:

Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-oldhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news...epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?CMP=share_btn_tw
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That story has a few holes in it....

A Guardian investigation this summer found that the lawsuit appeared to have been coordinated by a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show who has been associated in the past with a range of disputed claims involving celebrities including OJ Simpson and Kurt Cobain. A publicist acting for ?Jane Doe? also attempted to sell a video in which the woman describes her allegations against Trump to media outlets at a $1m price tag.

Harambe for President!!!
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Of course there are holes in it. My point is not about whether a crime took place. My point is that if people are going to knock Clinton for the wiff of guilt from the FBI, then they also need to knock Trump for this wiff of guilt.
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There is a whiff in this story and it stinks to high heaven.

A woman who claims she was raped by Donald Trump when she was 13 cancelled a press meeting Wednesday. Her lawyer (pictured) said she was 'too afraid' after a series of 'threats' against her.

[url]http://dailym.ai/2fFJllQ[/url]


 
If you're interested in detailed civil/criminal procedure and evidence gathering limitations on government, read on.

Did FBI's Clinton disclosure and its search of Anthony Weiner's computer violate the law?
POSTED OCT 31, 2016 09:12 AM CDT
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/did_fbis_clinton_disclosure_and_its_search_of_anthony_weiners_computer_viol/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

FBI director James Comey?s disclosure on Friday that the bureau will investigate a Clinton aide?s emails has politicians and experts considering whether any laws were broken or whether any rights were violated.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said in a letter on Sunday that Comey?s disclosure 11 days before the election may have violated the Hatch Act, which restricts political activities of government workers, the Washington Post reports. And the Volokh Conspiracy?s Orin Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University, says it?s possible the new investigation will be found to violate the Fourth Amendment.

Comey disclosed on Friday that the bureau was investigating new emails that may be relevant to its probe of Hillary Clinton?s use of a private email server. The emails were discovered on the computer of Anthony Weiner, who was under investigation for allegedly sexting a 15-year-old girl. His wife. Huma Abedin, is a top aide to Clinton.

The FBI has obtained a search warrant, unnamed law enforcement officials told the New York Times on Sunday. Weiner?s laptop was seized on Oct. 3, and FBI agents soon learned that Abedin?s emails were on the computer. At that point, agents were told to search the metadata to see if any emails were relevant to the Clinton investigation, according to the Times. Authorities decided to seek a search warrant late last week.

University of Minnesota law professor Richard Painter, a former White House ethics lawyer, sees some merit in Reid?s argument. In a New York Times op-ed, he said he filed a complaint on Saturday with the Office of Special Counsel, which investigates Hatch Act violations, and with the Office of Government Ethics.

?The FBI?s job is to investigate, not to influence the outcome of an election,? he wrote.

Painter says a government official doesn?t have to have a specific intent to influence an election to violate the Hatch Act. ?The rules are violated if it is obvious that the official?s actions could influence the election, there is no other good reason for taking those actions, and the official is acting under pressure from persons who obviously do want to influence the election,? he wrote.

Painter says he is supporting Clinton in the election, though he previously supported Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and John Kasich.

Kerr of the Volokh Conspiracy, meanwhile, considers case law on the Fourth Amendment and the facts that were known as of Oct. 30, when the blog post was written.

Kerr says he assumes the FBI obtained a warrant to search Weiner?s computer, as is required absent special circumstances. The search warrant presumably authorized a search relating relating only to Weiner?s communications with underage girls, Kerr says.

The first issue, he says, is whether the FBI was permitted to search through Abedin?s email account for records of Weiner?s improper messages to underage girls. He notes a Colorado Supreme Court case?which he has criticized?that dealt with officers who had a warrant to search for texts between a suspect and an undercover officer posing as an underage girl. The court found a search of a different folder that contained texts to a real underage girl violated the Fourth Amendment.

There might be similar problems in Clinton?s case because Weiner?s alleged texting crimes occurred in 2016. Hillary Clinton was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. ?If I?m right that there was a several-year gap between the warrant crime and the second investigation, it?s not clear the government could search through older emails for evidence of such a recent crime,? Kerr writes.

A second issue is whether the FBI could seize the Abedin emails because they were outside the scope of the warrant, Kerr says. The ?plain view? exception allows a law enforcement official who is searching a computer to obtain a second warrant to search for items in plain view that are evidence of a second crime. That standard may not be satisfied in the Clinton case, Kerr says.

?The plain view exception does not allow evidence to be seized outside a warrant unless it is ?immediately apparent? upon viewing it that it is evidence of another crime. Just looking quickly at the new evidence, there needs to be probable cause that it is evidence of a second crime to justify its seizure, which would presumably be necessary to apply for the second warrant,? Kerr writes.

?The Fourth Amendment plain view standard doesn?t allow a seizure of emails based on a mere we-hope-to-later-determine standard. The government can?t seize the emails just because the Clinton investigation is extra important and any possible evidence is worth considering.?

Kerr adds that the scope of the plain view doctrine with regards to computer searches ?is very much in flux.?

He also said he wanted ?to flag the question of whose rights are at issue.? If the FBI violated the Fourth Amendment, the only Clinton person who could move to suppress any evidence of crimes would be Abedin.
 
The genie is out of the bottle. None of this will be settled till after Tuesday so its a bit theoretical for now. 
 
morekaos said:
tim said:
morekaos said:
tim said:
Rashida Jones' tweet:

If we're going to equate investigations with criminality, lemme just leave this here for y'all:

Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-oldhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news...epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?CMP=share_btn_tw
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That story has a few holes in it....

A Guardian investigation this summer found that the lawsuit appeared to have been coordinated by a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show who has been associated in the past with a range of disputed claims involving celebrities including OJ Simpson and Kurt Cobain. A publicist acting for ?Jane Doe? also attempted to sell a video in which the woman describes her allegations against Trump to media outlets at a $1m price tag.

Harambe for President!!!
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Of course there are holes in it. My point is not about whether a crime took place. My point is that if people are going to knock Clinton for the wiff of guilt from the FBI, then they also need to knock Trump for this wiff of guilt.
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There is a whiff in this story and it stinks to high heaven.

A woman who claims she was raped by Donald Trump when she was 13 cancelled a press meeting Wednesday. Her lawyer (pictured) said she was 'too afraid' after a series of 'threats' against her.

[url]http://dailym.ai/2fFJllQ[/url]
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Total BS....no suprise!!

Woman who alleged she was raped by Donald  Trump DROPS case

http://dailym.ai/2fMGB68



 
morekaos said:
morekaos said:
tim said:
morekaos said:
tim said:
Rashida Jones' tweet:

If we're going to equate investigations with criminality, lemme just leave this here for y'all:

Trump lawyers given court date over lawsuit alleging rape of 13-year-oldhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news...epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit?CMP=share_btn_tw
Click to expand...

That story has a few holes in it....

A Guardian investigation this summer found that the lawsuit appeared to have been coordinated by a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show who has been associated in the past with a range of disputed claims involving celebrities including OJ Simpson and Kurt Cobain. A publicist acting for ?Jane Doe? also attempted to sell a video in which the woman describes her allegations against Trump to media outlets at a $1m price tag.

Harambe for President!!!
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Of course there are holes in it. My point is not about whether a crime took place. My point is that if people are going to knock Clinton for the wiff of guilt from the FBI, then they also need to knock Trump for this wiff of guilt.
Click to expand...


There is a whiff in this story and it stinks to high heaven.

A woman who claims she was raped by Donald Trump when she was 13 cancelled a press meeting Wednesday. Her lawyer (pictured) said she was 'too afraid' after a series of 'threats' against her.

[url]http://dailym.ai/2fFJllQ[/url]
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Total BS....no suprise!!

Woman who alleged she was raped by Donald  Trump DROPS case

http://dailym.ai/2fMGB68
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Are you going to report on Comey's latest letter, in bold huge font red colored letters?
 
No, Jim Comey Didn?t Try To Swing The Election (or ?I TOLD YOU SO?)
http://abovethelaw.com/2016/11/no-j...wing-the-election-like-i-told-you-a-week-ago/

James Comey isn?t working for Donald Trump. If he worked for Trump he?d have made yesterday?s announcement on Wednesday. Or never made the original July announcement that the FBI saw no basis for criminally prosecuting Hillary Clinton.

It?s time to let go of the crazy conspiracy theories, kids.

When Comey wrote the first letter to Congress about Anthony Weiner?s stash of hot Hillary Clinton private server action, Republicans started doing victory laps, the media started openly rooting for a horse race to break out, and liberals became whining babies. That?s when people who have actually dealt with the FBI on numerous occasions spent the week explaining in posts, on social media, and in local bars how Comey did exactly what he had to because of his unorthodox (but welcome) decision to clear Clinton in July and that this review would inevitably turn up nothing and be over in advance of Election Day.

When a mass of people are proven spectacularly wrong ? especially about stuff they barely understood in the first place ? it?s not uncommon to flock to paranoia rather than face up. For the Republicans this means questioning how the FBI and ?technology? could review that many emails in a week. A myth any fifth-year associate could dispel.

Meanwhile some Democrats persist that Comey only wrote this letter because he felt guilty from the public outcry ? yeah, because if a guy WANTED to brazenly swing an election they would totally reverse course if someone on MSNBC said mean things about them. Or worse yet, there are Hillary supporters somehow some still arguing that Comey could have looked at these emails and dismissed them as nothing without making any public announcement.

Welcome to the ?jet fuel doesn?t melt steel beams? of the left.

Let me reintroduce you all to the Fourth Amendment. It?s taken quite a beating over the years, so you may not recognize it, but it?s still a thing. Remember that the FBI needed to secure a warrant to view the Hillary-related emails on Weiner?s porn box. Trying to review these emails without flagging the issue first would mean a public free-for-all once everyone figured out that the Director of the FBI ? who told the world that his agency was confident that they?d seen everything and there was ?nothing to see here? ? was out getting warrants to look for more stuff. ?Is this the beginning of a whole flurry of new warrants?? ?Does this prove he was reckless in clearing Hillary in July?? ?Was he trying to swing the election toward Clinton?? The only way to blunt the impact of that move was Comey?s altogether reserved letter promising a prompt review.

And now here we are, with Hillary receiving a second all-clear from the FBI.

But, sure, keep talking about the FBI?s nefarious secret plan to get Trump elected. I think it involves chemtrails and reverse vampires.

Listen, liberals: save the paranoia for Alex Jones. It?s not a good look on you.
 
There's more to tomorrow than just the big race. Here's one useful voter guide I've enjoyed that includes important state/local propositions.
http://nancyspicks.com/

She includes links to other sites, for example:
https://robynnordell.com/where you can do your own research.

In every election season in California, there are important local races which are won or lost by less than 100 votes.

 
SoCal said:
There's more to tomorrow than just the big race. Here's one useful voter guide I've enjoyed that includes important state/local propositions.
http://nancyspicks.com/

She includes links to other sites, for example:
https://robynnordell.com/where you can do your own research.

In every election season in California, there are important local races which are won or lost by less than 100 votes.
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Sadly when it comes to local politics and even most state politics, most of the voters were pretty ignorant of who or what they were voting for.   
 
eyephone said:
eyephone said:
Trump dump: Wall Street slides for 9th day in a row
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wall-street-slides-for-ninth-straight-day/


It's not too late to change your 401k allocation. If Trump wins, expect the worse.
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Update: It looks like Wall St. wants Clinton to win. The Dow ends the day up 376 points. FBI Director Comey announces it wont charge Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/wall-street-rallies-clinton-230886
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Reminds me of something...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stocks-rise-with-1-day-to-go-before-brexit-vote/

?Stocks rise with 1 day to go before Brexit vote
Britain's FTSE 100 was up 0.5 percent to 6,259 and Germany's DAX was 0.7 percent higher at 10,082. France's CAC 40 rose 0.5 percent to 4,388.

U.S. futures indicated small gains on Wall Street, with S&P 500 and Dow futures each up 0.1 percent.

Campaigners on both sides of Thursday's crucial vote on whether Britain should remain in the EU began the final frantic day of campaigning. Polls indicate it will be a tight race but bookies are giving the "remain" camp a higher probability of winning. Many voters remain undecided and bookies and investors appear to be betting that they will settle for the status quo. International experts, including Yellen, have said that a British exit would cause a lot of volatility in global markets and uncertainty for the world economy.
 
spootieho said:
SoCal said:
There's more to tomorrow than just the big race. Here's one useful voter guide I've enjoyed that includes important state/local propositions.
http://nancyspicks.com/

She includes links to other sites, for example:
https://robynnordell.com/where you can do your own research.

In every election season in California, there are important local races which are won or lost by less than 100 votes.
Click to expand...
Sadly when it comes to local politics and even most state politics, most of the voters were pretty ignorant of who or what they were voting for. 
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Anyone else see Gang Chen on Culver/Alton yesterday morning and Culver/Barranca last night? He was holding a banner waving to commuters.
 
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