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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247034676][quote author="reason" date=1247009311]Slow down when you make those turns and don't slam on the accelerator/brakes. I can't believe the way some family van and SUV drivers taking it to the road as if they're in a sports car.</blockquote>
Because it's the only way we can feel like we're still driving one. Heck... I even changed the rims on my van just so that I can feel I got that "Fast and Furious" street look (maybe I need to add flames... hehe).</blockquote>
No way man, you need to turbocharge or supercharge that badboy.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247034676][quote author="reason" date=1247009311]Slow down when you make those turns and don't slam on the accelerator/brakes. I can't believe the way some family van and SUV drivers taking it to the road as if they're in a sports car.</blockquote>
Because it's the only way we can feel like we're still driving one. Heck... I even changed the rims on my van just so that I can feel I got that "Fast and Furious" street look (maybe I need to add flames... hehe).</blockquote>


Sweet, IHO is one of those MVPs with the spinnies. Gotta have those tricked out doors too, though.



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My brother-in-law drives a tricked out Volvo. It is the most ridicules thing you ever saw with flames, rims, lowered and all. Honestly?
 
One of the big problems you folks with SUVs and Minivans have that causes increased tire wear is A LOT OF WEIGHT. The lighter a car, the more tire life you get.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1247037839][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247034676][quote author="reason" date=1247009311]Slow down when you make those turns and don't slam on the accelerator/brakes. I can't believe the way some family van and SUV drivers taking it to the road as if they're in a sports car.</blockquote>
Because it's the only way we can feel like we're still driving one. Heck... I even changed the rims on my van just so that I can feel I got that "Fast and Furious" street look (maybe I need to add flames... hehe).</blockquote>
No way man, you need to turbocharge or supercharge that badboy.</blockquote>
Heh... remember I have kids in the van... I just need to *look* fast... not actually *be* fast.



McDonna: Spinners are so 90s... neon underlights however.... hmmmmm.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1247052420]One of the big problems you folks with SUVs and Minivans have that causes increased tire wear is A LOT OF WEIGHT. The lighter a car, the more tire life you get.</blockquote>


This is exactly what was repeated to me over and over again at the dealership, ok, I believe you. However, I did go 60K with my Isuzu Trooper before having to put tires on it. I may sound stupid because I truly know nothing about cars, but does the fact that the minivans are so heavy AND sit so low to the ground compared to an SUV like the old Trooper I had have anything to do with tire wear? I just never counted on spending $1500 every two years on tires when I bought this car.
 
why the heck does my pic keep disapearing? It's there when I first post it. Well, anywayz it was a pic of a minivan with the wing doors. Yeah, neonlights are 2000 but wing doors so 3000.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1247052899][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1247052420]One of the big problems you folks with SUVs and Minivans have that causes increased tire wear is A LOT OF WEIGHT. The lighter a car, the more tire life you get.</blockquote>


This is exactly what was repeated to me over and over again at the dealership, ok, I believe you. However, I did go 60K with my Isuzu Trooper before having to put tires on it. I may sound stupid because I truly know nothing about cars, but does the fact that the minivans are so heavy AND sit so low to the ground compared to an SUV like the old Trooper I had have anything to do with tire wear? I just never counted on spending $1500 every two years on tires when I bought this car.</blockquote>
Just remember, all those nifty options like sliding doors, dvd screens, rear fold-down seats, etc just add weight to the car. I would be willing to bet that minivans weigh a lot more than SUVs, especially ones like the Isuzu Trooper which is probably one of the lighter SUVs out there. Poor gas mileage could be the first giveaway of whether a car is a heavy pig (assuming there isn't a high performance engine in the car). The BMW that I picked up gets about 25mpg on the freeway...it has a high performance engine but it is one of the lighter cars in its comp set (the new M3s weight 350lbs more and have 400hp and their freeway mileage doesn't get into the 20s). Btw, it's kinda sad that you and I would send about the same amount on tires (BMW M3 tires will run about $1,400-$1,600).
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247052801][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1247037839][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247034676][quote author="reason" date=1247009311]Slow down when you make those turns and don't slam on the accelerator/brakes. I can't believe the way some family van and SUV drivers taking it to the road as if they're in a sports car.</blockquote>
Because it's the only way we can feel like we're still driving one. Heck... I even changed the rims on my van just so that I can feel I got that "Fast and Furious" street look (maybe I need to add flames... hehe).</blockquote>
No way man, you need to turbocharge or supercharge that badboy.</blockquote>
Heh... remember I have kids in the van... I just need to *look* fast... not actually *be* fast.



McDonna: Spinners are so 90s... neon underlights however.... hmmmmm.</blockquote>
Get a wing...that screams fast!
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1247053606][quote author="tmare" date=1247052899][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1247052420]One of the big problems you folks with SUVs and Minivans have that causes increased tire wear is A LOT OF WEIGHT. The lighter a car, the more tire life you get.</blockquote>


This is exactly what was repeated to me over and over again at the dealership, ok, I believe you. However, I did go 60K with my Isuzu Trooper before having to put tires on it. I may sound stupid because I truly know nothing about cars, but does the fact that the minivans are so heavy AND sit so low to the ground compared to an SUV like the old Trooper I had have anything to do with tire wear? I just never counted on spending $1500 every two years on tires when I bought this car.</blockquote>
Just remember, all those nifty options like sliding doors, dvd screens, rear fold-down seats, etc just add weight to the car. I would be willing to bet that minivans weigh a lot more than SUVs, especially ones like the Isuzu Trooper which is probably one of the lighter SUVs out there. Poor gas mileage could be the first giveaway of whether a car is a heavy pig (assuming there isn't a high performance engine in the car). The BMW that I picked up gets about 25mpg on the freeway...it has a high performance engine but it is one of the lighter cars in its comp set (the new M3s weight 350lbs more and have 400hp and their freeway mileage doesn't get into the 20s). Btw, it's kinda sad that you and I would send about the same amount on tires (BMW M3 tires will run about $1,400-$1,600).</blockquote>


Yeah, the car cost more than yours too.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1247052899]does the fact that the minivans are so heavy AND sit so low to the ground compared to an SUV like the old Trooper I had have anything to do with tire wear? I just never counted on spending $1500 every two years on tires when I bought this car.</blockquote>


You're not comparing apples to apples. Can't really draw conclusions about all minivans based on your experience with what is more or less an engineering disaster in a new and relatively untested tire technology (and which was only offered for 2-3 years on a few models). Folks who didn't opt for the PAX system routinely get 40-60k out of their tires and are splurging if they spend over $600 on a replacement set. Reminds me of the Brembo package that was popular on some sports coupes a few years back; 2-3 years after introduction the market was flooded with used cars that needed new brakes after the owners found out they had to replace the rotors with the brake pads, and the rotors alone were $500 apiece.



If you otherwise like the Odyssey and would like to keep it then consider getting rid of the pax altogether the next time you need tires. You'll pay some up-front costs for new wheels, but you'll probably break even in 4 years. Consider your typical and worst-case driving habits, as you would of course lose the run-flat safety net.
 
We have the normal tires (nonPAX) on our van and they still get chewed.



I don't think vans weigh more than SUVs... and they are not as low to the ground as some people assume... I sit higher than most cars and as hish as some SUVs. I just think that because they have a more carlike feel than SUVs, people tend to drive them harder. And yes, I do rotate, check pressure etc etc. That's why the last set of tires I got had an actual mileage warranty so that if they got chewed before 50k (has happened with 1), the tire store replaces them. The ones before that were performance tires and did not have that type of guarantee.



To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]We have the normal tires (nonPAX) on our van and they still get chewed.



I don't think vans weigh more than SUVs... and they are not as low to the ground as some people assume... I sit higher than most cars and as hish as some SUVs. I just think that because they have a more carlike feel than SUVs, people tend to drive them harder. And yes, I do rotate, check pressure etc etc. That's why the last set of tires I got had an actual mileage warranty so that if they got chewed before 50k (has happened with 1), the tire store replaces them. The ones before that were performance tires and did not have that type of guarantee.



To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>


My husband drives a Mercedes and the cost of maintenance and repair is extremely expensive. Fortunately for us, we've found a Mercedes mechanic who moonlights for us and his prices are very reasonable. He even picks up the car and returns it when he is done. The oil changes cost about $100 normally, he charges us $35.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>


Depends on what models you are comparing them with. Say a 2004 330i vs a 2004 C230, the bimmer (beemers are motorcycles) will be slightly cheaper. Parts for bimmers are not as expensive as people think, and since there is a huge nutter following there are many online part stores competing with each other. Doing the brakes on a bimmer and doing the brakes on an Accord are the same thing, just the brakes are bigger and better than the Accord's. The cost is only slightly higher. MBZ will be more expensive just because of the supply/demand factor. However, if you compare a 2006 750il vs a S500, I think they will be about the same. $100 for an oil change is possible for one of the bigger cars that require synthetic oil, and once you go synthetic you can't go back. <a href="http://www.bimmerparts.com/item.wws?itempk=13446">If you need to buy two of these to do an oil change</a>, then you understand why it costs so much. But then you don't have to change your oil for 6K-8k miles, half the time as normal and half the cost compared to regular oil. If you are using regular oil, you need to change it every 3k no matter what the manufacturer or stealership says.



As for the new bimmers, I have not heard good things. Too gadgety, harder to work on it yourself, and the i-drive is the most retarded thing ever invented. I will wait and see how the new 3-series pans out. <a href="http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=955481">So far too many ticky tack things go wrong that would annoy the hell out of me</a>. Only way I'd buy the 3-series is new or CPO with the 2 years maintenance. The SMG is just too chunky in traffic in the 5-series, and it has the dreaded i-drive. The new 7-series is a beast. I think it can drive itself it has so many new fangled gadgets/cameras/sensors. If you can afford the 7-series, you just STFU about the costs to own it.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1247096029][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]We have the normal tires (nonPAX) on our van and they still get chewed.



I don't think vans weigh more than SUVs... and they are not as low to the ground as some people assume... I sit higher than most cars and as hish as some SUVs. I just think that because they have a more carlike feel than SUVs, people tend to drive them harder. And yes, I do rotate, check pressure etc etc. That's why the last set of tires I got had an actual mileage warranty so that if they got chewed before 50k (has happened with 1), the tire store replaces them. The ones before that were performance tires and did not have that type of guarantee.



To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>


My husband drives a Mercedes and the cost of maintenance and repair is extremely expensive. Fortunately for us, we've found a Mercedes mechanic who moonlights for us and his prices are very reasonable. He even picks up the car and returns it when he is done. The oil changes cost about $100 normally, he charges us $35.</blockquote>
Can you ask him to see if he would work on my BMW when my extended warranty ends in early 2011? Also, my extended maitenance only changes the oil every 15k miles, but I rather do it every 7.5k miles...would he be able to do that for me if I supplied him all of the parts/oil?
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]We have the normal tires (nonPAX) on our van and they still get chewed.



I don't think vans weigh more than SUVs... and they are not as low to the ground as some people assume... I sit higher than most cars and as hish as some SUVs. I just think that because they have a more carlike feel than SUVs, people tend to drive them harder. And yes, I do rotate, check pressure etc etc. That's why the last set of tires I got had an actual mileage warranty so that if they got chewed before 50k (has happened with 1), the tire store replaces them. The ones before that were performance tires and did not have that type of guarantee.



To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>
Maintenance costs tend to be cheaper for BMWs vs. MBZs. Also, BMWs are more reliable and break down less on average than MBZs do. Also, BMWs provide a 4-year, 50k mile free maintenance program and MBZs don't. I agree with Graph that parts for most BMWs tend to be cheaper than they are for MBZs.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1247104626][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>


Depends on what models you are comparing them with. Say a 2004 330i vs a 2004 C230, the bimmer (beemers are motorcycles) will be slightly cheaper. Parts for bimmers are not as expensive as people think, and since there is a huge nutter following there are many online part stores competing with each other. Doing the brakes on a bimmer and doing the brakes on an Accord are the same thing, just the brakes are bigger and better than the Accord's. The cost is only slightly higher. MBZ will be more expensive just because of the supply/demand factor. However, if you compare a 2006 750il vs a S500, I think they will be about the same. $100 for an oil change is possible for one of the bigger cars that require synthetic oil, and once you go synthetic you can't go back. <a href="http://www.bimmerparts.com/item.wws?itempk=13446">If you need to buy two of these to do an oil change</a>, then you understand why it costs so much. But then you don't have to change your oil for 6K-8k miles, half the time as normal and half the cost compared to regular oil. If you are using regular oil, you need to change it every 3k no matter what the manufacturer or stealership says.



As for the new bimmers, I have not heard good things. Too gadgety, harder to work on it yourself, and the i-drive is the most retarded thing ever invented. I will wait and see how the new 3-series pans out. <a href="http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=955481">So far too many ticky tack things go wrong that would annoy the hell out of me</a>. Only way I'd buy the 3-series is new or CPO with the 2 years maintenance. The SMG is just too chunky in traffic in the 5-series, and it has the dreaded i-drive. The new 7-series is a beast. I think it can drive itself it has so many new fangled gadgets/cameras/sensors. If you can afford the 7-series, you just STFU about the costs to own it.</blockquote>
*swoon* I get all caycifish when you talk cars graph.



Man-crush!



But don't new bImmers have the maintenance costs included? I don't think MBZs have that so in at least the first 3 years, bImmers cost less to maintain?



(man... I hate that I'm actually contemplating getting a German car)



EDIT: Oooops... missed USC's post... so I guess the Bavarian is less costly than the German.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1247096029][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]We have the normal tires (nonPAX) on our van and they still get chewed.



I don't think vans weigh more than SUVs... and they are not as low to the ground as some people assume... I sit higher than most cars and as hish as some SUVs. I just think that because they have a more carlike feel than SUVs, people tend to drive them harder. And yes, I do rotate, check pressure etc etc. That's why the last set of tires I got had an actual mileage warranty so that if they got chewed before 50k (has happened with 1), the tire store replaces them. The ones before that were performance tires and did not have that type of guarantee.



To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>


My husband drives a Mercedes and the cost of maintenance and repair is extremely expensive. Fortunately for us, we've found a Mercedes mechanic who moonlights for us and his prices are very reasonable. He even picks up the car and returns it when he is done. The oil changes cost about $100 normally, he charges us $35.</blockquote>


I have 2 Mercedes. CL500 and SL55. Oil changes and regular service. A & B Service normally run

around $200-$300. That covers a range of Items. Including inspections and fluids and filters.

The BIG difference is its only every 10,000 Miles or Every year. And FYI Synthetic Mobil 1 is expensive. Like $ 6.00 a quart and it takes 9 Quarts. So whoever is paying $ 35.00. Look Out.



I have had by CL for 6 Years and my SL55 for 3 years. Both cars are a dream to drive and very seldom have any issues. Both are paid for. So my only cost is the damn registration, Insurance and servise once a year.



The BAD news is the SL55 needs tires once a year. $ 2000.00 Oh well. Its worth it.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1247115186][quote author="tmare" date=1247096029][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1247093262]We have the normal tires (nonPAX) on our van and they still get chewed.



I don't think vans weigh more than SUVs... and they are not as low to the ground as some people assume... I sit higher than most cars and as hish as some SUVs. I just think that because they have a more carlike feel than SUVs, people tend to drive them harder. And yes, I do rotate, check pressure etc etc. That's why the last set of tires I got had an actual mileage warranty so that if they got chewed before 50k (has happened with 1), the tire store replaces them. The ones before that were performance tires and did not have that type of guarantee.



To try and keep this on-topic, how are Beemers with maintenance costs as compared to MBZs? I have friends who own MBZs and they complain so much about the maintenance costs (I think oil changes are like $100+) but I don't currently know anyone who drives a Beemer and based on their ads... they have that all maintenance paid for the first X years thing.</blockquote>


My husband drives a Mercedes and the cost of maintenance and repair is extremely expensive. Fortunately for us, we've found a Mercedes mechanic who moonlights for us and his prices are very reasonable. He even picks up the car and returns it when he is done. The oil changes cost about $100 normally, he charges us $35.</blockquote>


I have 2 Mercedes. CL500 and SL55. Oil changes and regular service. A & B Service normally run

around $200-$300. That covers a range of Items. Including inspections and fluids and filters.

The BIG difference is its only every 10,000 Miles or Every year. And FYI Synthetic Mobil 1 is expensive. Like $ 6.00 a quart and it takes 9 Quarts. So whoever is paying $ 35.00. Look Out.



I have had by CL for 6 Years and my SL55 for 3 years. Both cars are a dream to drive and very seldom have any issues. Both are paid for. So my only cost is the damn registration, Insurance and servise once a year.



The BAD news is the SL55 needs tires once a year. $ 2000.00 Oh well. Its worth it.</blockquote>


Our car is older (1995 S420), obviously our guy isn't using the synthetic stuff. We only put about 2-3K miles on it a year so it's not that big of an issue. My husband loves the car although he didn't feel like he had many choices when he bought it, he is very tall and just can't seem to fit comfortably in anything else we've found.
 
SC needs to change this thread title to "How many times can we change the subject" . Personally, I'm getting a little bored with all the tire talk. Where is BK? Maybe he can come by and say something racist and get the pot stirring again. he he
 
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