Pat Veling is paranoid, or he has OD'd on the Kool-Aid

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<a href="http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/04/forget-08-and-09-housings-recovery-seen-far-off/">From Lansner's blog</a>...



<em><a href="http://www.realdatastrategies.com/">Pat Veling Says</a>:

June 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pm



No_Vaseline:



Kind of you to think about me! The problem is?.I am too busy to add builders as clients. Market shifts drive demand for great information, and I seem to be in the right place at the right time with the right stuff. My firm publishes statistic analysis from over 300 MLSs, you know!



I am also pretty sure Steve Thomas is too busy selling real estate to worry about the builders. Not sure about Gary Watts.



Thanks again for thinking of me!



PS: To those who are curious about my ability to reply here without watching this blog daily, I have been experimenting for a month now with a new service that monitors blogs for use of my name or data, and provides me with the intel. If I take issue with what?s said, or how my data is used in unauthorized fashion, they take action to bully the offending blogger into submission. It?s pretty cool so far!</em>



I was thinking about making a comment there, but I decided to test his new paranoia software out to see if he has the balls to post here. I think 1. He is full of sh*t 2. He doesn't have the balls to post here even if he is not full of sh*t.



So, the real reason Pattycakes Veling doesn't have any builder clients is because they have no use for him and his useless, behind the times seasonally adjusted data. If they did, they would be begging him for his data, because it is soooo good. But, they don't, because like Gary Watts, the info is just fluff and wouldn't have anything to do with or help their business, and not because he is too busy.



So, Patsy Veling, if you are tracking your name and data usage, you freak, then does your data include the increasing NODs and foreclosures? If it doesn't, then I could help you improve your model from making look as ridiculous as Gary Watts, but I come with a hefty fee. Trust me, it is worth it, because I have been right, er somewhat too optimistic. BTW, Mark Boud was wrong, foreclosures will not peak in Q2, but they will be worse in Q3 and Q4. There is the written record of me saying that, and if I am wrong, then I am wrong, but if I am right... every IHBer should email Patsycakes Veling to buy me lunch at The Hat until he actually does.



Pat Veling, what say ye?
 
I'm going to take a page from Ebay and Craigslist spamers and make use of this software by using the phrase "Pat Veling is a donkey" somewhere buried in every post I make for the next three weeks.



I'll probablly use it as a tagline. He'll get his money's worth from that system. Either that, or he'll "take action to bully the offending blogger into submission".



Good luck with that you hack.
 
<em>"take action to bully the offending blogger into submission"</em>? Sounds kinky.




Pat Veling


Pat Veling


Pat Veling


I am ready to submit. Please bully.
 
Go read his follow up response to rants. Pat Veling has truly lost his mind.



I can tell you that his reports are WORTHLESS based on this half brained response to.........something. If this is the same sort or tact he takes to his data service, what fool would retain him?



The only reason I mentioned his name in the past was because he was active on Lassner's blog as a perma-cheerleader. Well, that's great, but he was wrong. Then he dissapeared. Now he's back threatening legal action against anyone who criticizes him. I hope he's got deep pockets. He's going to need to sue everyone on the planet before this is over.
 
OMG, he has lost it. Business must really suck for him, and I told him that on Lansner's blog.



What a sad and pathetic man he is.
 
<blockquote>If I take issue with what?s said, or how my data is used in unauthorized fashion, they take action to bully the offending blogger into submission.</blockquote>


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes Pat, I am laughing AT you. You have a service to "bully" people for you? Seriously?



<blockquote>every IHBer should email Patsycakes Veling to buy me lunch at The Hat until he actually does. </blockquote>


Can you grab me some chili cheese fries?
 
<a href="http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/06/oc-houses-off-199000-from-peak-in-mid-may/#comment-71122">It looks like lunch could be on with me and Pat Veling</a>. His comments in italics.



graphrix Says:

June 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm



Pat,



I think your terms are reasonable, and I will add a few of my own as well as some snark.



<em>Here are my terms for your requested lunch at The Hat ?



1) Location is to Brea.</em>



Duh, that is where The Hat is located, or at least the one I was referring to.

<em>

2) You need to identify yourself by name and home or work address in advance. Your identity will be provided to one member of my staff, in case I end up dead in an alley somewhere.</em>



I know you think us bears are a bit on the nutty side, but that is a bit extreme.



Anyway, I wish to remain anonymous for various reasons, which after our conversation I think you will respect why. I will send you an email, from an anonymous email address, with a blanket confidentiality agreement, similar to the one I have with the OCR. If you, your staff, and anyone else who may come across that email can agree to that confidentiality agreement, then I will send you another email from a personal address with the info you are requesting.



<em>3) Because he gets the credit (or the blame) for all of this, Lansner gets invited, and he may cover our discussion for his column if he chooses.</em>



That would be cool if Jon could do that, but if he does cover an article, then he can have the OCR cover the tab.



<em>4) You buy your lunch, I buy mine, and we split the cost of Lansner?s lunch. (I am pretty sure he cannot accept our free lunch if the story is to be covered in his column.)</em>



That is fine by me, but see my response to #3.

<em>

5) We each bring one additional person, whose identities are to be made known to one another, and approved, prior to the meeting.</em>



Would you prefer a legal body guard type, or would you prefer something pretty to look at?<em>



Given that I have always posted under my real name, and you have not, I believe these terms are more than reasonable. Accept or reject them here, and we can email one another to schedule the meeting privately. Day and time will NOT be made public in order to avoid intrusion by other interested parties.</em>



LOL, I totally agree with that. I could just see thoughtless showing up screaming about how prices aren?t down in the ?good? neighborhoods and the foreclosures are only in Santa Ana, all the while trying to shank me with a plastic spoon. I also could see rants showing up with his ten year old ready to beat you up. While that sounds entertaining, it isn?t something you or I wish to experience.

<em>

I am curious as to the opinions of others here about these terms. I invite others to post replies regarding their being reasonable or unreasonable.</em>



Me too, and the comments should be interesting as always.<em>



Let me know here if these terms are acceptable, and I will look very forward to the ?level headed discussion we could have.? Have great day!</em>



I think for the most part they are acceptable, and I would think that my one added term would be as well. I look forward to the discussion, and I hope that we can make it work so that we can have one.



You have a great day too. Crack open a beer and enjoy the weather by your pool.
 
Another reason besides the pastrami to be there. I'm about a mile away from The Hat in Brea. Will be camped out in the bathroom until the meeting.
 
Typical Pat "excuses" Veling is pouring out a bunch of BS to back out. He listed all those conditions, and I give him one, to protect my identity, and he has posted four times skirting the question. Does he realize if he backs out of this, he will look like a complete asshat for years on Lansner's blog?
 
16 Years of selling New Homes none of those sales consultants ever helped except to waste a lot of the builders money.

Those who can not do, teach. Those who can not teach, sit shirtless 30 rows back yelling obsenities...
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1212976796]Typical Pat "excuses" Veling is pouring out a bunch of BS to back out. He listed all those conditions, and I give him one, to protect my identity, and he has posted four times skirting the question. Does he realize if he backs out of this, he will look like a complete asshat for years on Lansner's blog?</blockquote>


I don't know. He portrays me as someone with anger managment issues when he takes an open potshot at me (for questioning what he actually does, I'm assuming) and I hold his feet to the fire because he can't get his facts straight/makes representations about me that are "mistakes" (lies).



I think he's lying about "business has never been better" simply becuase he lies about everything else and nobody else in this market is saying "business has never been better".



Your're meeting isn't going to happen. Pat doesn't have the sack. We could meet at his office in full view of the world and it wouldn't happen.
 
The meeting can happen, anywhere Graphrix likes, including my office. I simply need to know who he is and to keep it casual, without unwritten or implied confidentiality agreements protecting identities or data management methods. It's quite simple, actually.



You would not be invited.
 
[quote author="Pat Veling" date=1213074730]The meeting can happen, anywhere Graphrix likes, including my office. I simply need to know who he is and to keep it casual, without unwritten or implied confidentiality agreements protecting identities or data management methods. It's quite simple, actually.



You would not be invited.</blockquote>


As I have said before I have no problem that you would know who I am. I just don't want anyone else to know who I am. That is quite simple, actually.



If it is just a casual lunch, then I am all for it. I honestly think it would be an interesting conversation.



Can I trust Pat that he won't leak my identity or sue me for libel?



And big props for Pat to post here, it takes balls for a bullish one to post in the bears' den.
 
If Pat will put in writing somewhere (here or Lassner's blog) -



"I will not publicly 'out' Graphrix"



I will owe that man an apology, and issue one (both here and Lassner's blog). However, to this point, thirty odd posts later, it has yet to materalize, so he's still a piece of shit. A ballsy piece of shit who deserves props for showing up here.



I would hope you'd stick around and participate here Pat. We could use you, believe it or not. You might also be suprised that you will be treated with courtesy and respect, so long as you have logicial and reasoned answers. FWIW, I'm the toughest one you'll ever find. My last lending job I did special assets for a commercial bank. I ask hard quesitons and put the screws to people who can't answer them in simple and direct terms. You were (in fairness) weaseling around and I stuck it to you for your trouble. Graph will have to speak for himself.



Hang out a while, you and I might be fast friends.......you never know.
 
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