Palin is a floozy. Daughter just following in mother's footsteps.

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<blockquote>Todd and Sarah eloped on August 29, 1988, to avoid the cost of a wedding.</blockquote>


<a href="http://marriage.about.com/od/politics/p/sarahpalin.htm">http://marriage.about.com/od/politics/p/sarahpalin.htm</a>



<blockquote>The rumor started because the birthdate was known to be in April 20, 1989. An old traffic offence on a parking ticket on Track CJ Palin stated his birthdate as April 20 1989.</blockquote>


<a href="http://celebgalz.com/track-palin-birthday-sarah-palins-son-conceived-out-of-wedlock/">http://celebgalz.com/track-palin-birthday-sarah-palins-son-conceived-out-of-wedlock/</a>



Seven months eh? Was Track a premie? Or is the word "budget" code for "shotgun"?



Another day, more spin, another lie. No vetting issues here.



As a voter, I'm insulted. We deserve better. Tell the damn truth already and square with the public.
 
No_vaseline, leave the child out of it.



Attack Palin all you want. But leave the daughter out of it. Don't go calling a 17-year child who's already in a difficult spot a floozy. Unless and until she steps onto the campaign trail actively partaking in the process, consider rising above dragging a young girl through the mud.



It's not right and everyone knows it.



I can't believe some of the classless things I've read in the politics forum on the IHB. I've had a lot of respect for the members here and I'm sad to say that's diminished a bit recently. Everyone here is bright and, in my experience, very decent. Some people, like T!M, I vehemently disagree with, but his posts are thoughtful and don't sink to mud slinging at a child.



It's clear this election has people's emotions running high, but IHB IS BETTER THAN THIS. If you have a point to make, there's always a way to make it without resorting to this.
 
I never mentioned the daughter except to point out what an excelent role model her mother is.



The mother concieved a child out of wedlock and the Republicans 'conveniently' left it out. She has proven to be a wonderful role model for her eldest daughter. I'm sure she'll be a fine example for young girls coming up in a modern age.



You should read the title more closely.
 
Don't fall into the standard Republican trap of "having it both ways".



Imagine if it was Hillary for a minute we were talking about. Or, John Edwards. Oh wait.



Imagine if we were talking about Michelle Obama aka "Baby Mama". A woman who never had a child out of wedlock. Oh wait, the chattering classes of Rush/Hannity/O'Riley already got there.



The issue is judgement. Hers is poor. McCain's is worse. He has proven to be impulsive and incompetent. He'd done better by nominating Liberman.



A buddy of mine recently lambasted me for what a POS example Bill was for catching a 'hummer' in the White House. I'll give him that. It was repugnant. And this is different how?



Everyone tell your daughters to be just like the Gov. Palin and her daughter? Give me a break.



Sarah, go back to Alaska, resign the Governor's office, and be a mom. Your family obviously needs you and you have a hard time keeping facts simple straight. The myth that working mothers can "do it all" is a lie unless your husband stays home and takes your role. I know several couples who do just that and thier kids are fine.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1220453871]Don't fall into the standard Republican trap of "having it both ways".



Imagine if it was Hillary for a minute we were talking about. Or, John Edwards. Oh wait.



Imagine if we were talking about Michelle Obama aka "Baby Mama". A woman who never had a child out of wedlock. Oh wait, the chattering classes of Rush/Hannity/O'Riley already got there.



The issue is judgement. Hers is poor. McCain's is worse. He has proven to be impulsive and incompetent. He'd done better by nominating Liberman.



A buddy of mine recently lambasted me for what a POS example Bill was for catching a 'hummer' in the White House. I'll give him that. It was repugnant. And this is different how?



Everyone tell your daughters to be just like the Gov. Palin and her daughter? Give me a break.



Sarah, go back to Alaska, resign the Governor's office, and be a mom. Your family obviously needs you and you have a hard time keeping facts simple straight. The myth that working mothers can "do it all" is a lie unless your husband stays home and takes your role. I know several couples who do just that and thier kids are fine.</blockquote>
Here's some truth: Todd and Sarah Palin have been a couple since high school, more than 6 years before they got married.



Here's some more truth: Barack Obama was born 6 months after his 18 year-old mother married his father. Where does Obama's mother rank on your floozy scale? Shall we indict Obama based on his mother's values and actions? And where, exactly, did Republicans make the circumstances of Obama's birth a campaign issue?
 
Remember, I'm looking for a reason to vote for McCain. Obama was #3 on the list when it was the Hilly/Barack/John show.



[quote author="Nude" date=1220480002][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1220453871]Don't fall into the standard Republican trap of "having it both ways".



Imagine if it was Hillary for a minute we were talking about. Or, John Edwards. Oh wait.



Imagine if we were talking about Michelle Obama aka "Baby Mama". A woman who never had a child out of wedlock. Oh wait, the chattering classes of Rush/Hannity/O'Riley already got there.



The issue is judgement. Hers is poor. McCain's is worse. He has proven to be impulsive and incompetent. He'd done better by nominating Liberman.



A buddy of mine recently lambasted me for what a POS example Bill was for catching a 'hummer' in the White House. I'll give him that. It was repugnant. And this is different how?



Everyone tell your daughters to be just like the Gov. Palin and her daughter? Give me a break.



Sarah, go back to Alaska, resign the Governor's office, and be a mom. Your family obviously needs you and you have a hard time keeping facts simple straight. The myth that working mothers can "do it all" is a lie unless your husband stays home and takes your role. I know several couples who do just that and thier kids are fine.</blockquote>
Here's some truth: Todd and Sarah Palin have been a couple since high school, more than 6 years before they got married.</blockquote>


This is unacceptable behaivor and sets terrible precident. They dated for six years and he had to knock her up to propose? When poor people (white, black, and latino) do it social conservatives go nuts and yell "this is why society is breaking down". Why exactly are you defending it?



The double standard applied here would be humorous if it wasn't so serious.



McCain chose poorly when he selected a candidate for VP.



<blockquote>

Here's some more truth: Barack Obama was born 6 months after his 18 year-old mother married his father. Where does Obama's mother rank on your floozy scale?</blockquote>


1. Her kid didn't repeat her mistake, so he got some sort of parenting along the way.

2. She didn't do it once, she did it twice. Same poor impulse control that McCain and Palin have shown.

3. She dead.



<blockquote>Shall we indict Obama based on his mother's values and actions? And where, exactly, did Republicans make the circumstances of Obama's birth a campaign issue? </blockquote>


They didn't. But calling Michelle Obama "Baby Mama" is the gurella marketing equivlent of tossing in the race card. If one was uninformed, they could assume 1) she's black trash and 2) they bore children out of wedlock. This is the Swift Boat 2.0. Where were you when this started? Why did you not step up and call this sort of conduct unacceptable? Sarah Palin is <em>"Baby Mama"</em> and nobody on the right has said boo. This doesn't bother you?



Oh, I get it. We're "just having fun" with the Obamas, but the Palins are "off limits" because we should respect the privacy of the family. Silly me, I forgot that "Having it Both Ways" is the new standard GOP line.



I have listened to Rush for years. He's good (great) entertainment. But when he and O'Riley and Hanity all have the same talking points and use the same buzzwords.............and the ability to make fun of the opposition, then look to the right, hold thier nose, and yell "RAH RAH" is breathtaking. If you apply the same standards to the Dem candidates and officals over the past 25 years or so, expect the same scrutiny of GOP candiades. I could care less about her circumstances or her sexual life. <em>It's none of my business.</em> But you can't expect to make it a political issue for "Dems" only.



What's good for the goose is good for the gander. McCain chose poorly and vetted worse. Goes to judgement. McCain gambled. Shows poor impulse control and temperment. Frankly, it was pretty shrewd. Too bad it didn't work.
 
While my eyebrows shot up at the topic title, No_Vas' underlying point is indeed correct. There is absolutely a double standard. If this were Obama's oldest child (if she were old enough), we would be hearing about the failure of liberal values and permissive parenting. Also, please note, that it appears that the Reeps will be using Bristol's pregnancy <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTg1NjE5YWMyYWIxNjM1ZWZhODhjZTE5Zjk1NzU0OGY=">for political purposes:</a>



<blockquote>As for now, at least, evangelicals seem to be completely on Palin?s side. And McCain?s. This is a group that has been skeptical of McCain in the past. Now, it?s probably fair to say that he has never been more popular among evangelicals than he is at this moment. Whether that will last, or whether Palin will cost McCain support among other voters, is not yet clear. But within the confines of the Republican Convention, McCain?s surprising choice of Palin ? <strong>and the equally surprising news about her family </strong>? is paying off.</blockquote>


What I want to know is, has anyone heard from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly">Phyllis Schlafly</a> about Governor Palin?



BTW, for all of who think No_Vas is out of line, I expect you to be writing to Roger Stone and asking him to knock it off:



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[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1220441866]

<blockquote>Todd and Sarah eloped on August 29, 1988, to avoid the cost of a wedding.</blockquote>
<blockquote>The rumor started because the birthdate was known to be in April 20, 1989. An old traffic offence on a parking ticket on Track CJ Palin stated his birthdate as April 20 1989.</blockquote>


Seven months eh? Was Track a premie? Or is the word "budget" code for "shotgun"?



Another day, more spin, another lie. No vetting issues here.



As a voter, I'm insulted. We deserve better. Tell the damn truth already and square with the public.</blockquote>


i dont see how any of that was a lie. so they eloped to avoid the cost of a wedding. thats probably the truth because 1) they weren't well of, and 2) they have a baby on the way.



all this "news" about the palins is hardly newsworthy. it turns out these country folk from alaska have the kind of family history you might find in... other country folk. i'm shocked.



personally i don't put any weight on all this family business. yeah yeah it's a reflection of their judgment or some nonsense. palin married her childhood sweetheart. state trooper scandal involving trying to get bro-in-law fired. has a pregnant teen daughter.



we all know about clinton's marriage and his own trooper scandal. daddy was the biggest floozy around. his daughter turned out to be remarkedly mature despite spending teenage yrs in the white house.



W by all accts has genuinely turned his life around. no longer smokes or drinks. he exercises 4 hrs per day and gets 12 hrs of sleep every night, doesn't take work home or work weekends. one kid got caught drinking in college but pretty much raised a good family.



so it seems to me like family life has zero predictive powers on what makes a good president.
 
I'm defending her, no_vas, because you are using her kid's decision to have sex and have a baby as a direct indictment of her ability to be Vice-President, because you are calling her names, and because you are being a hypocrite in the process. The only double standard being applied is by you, because I have yet to see any Republican calling Obama's mother a "floozy". I have not said anything about Michelle Obama, nor have I seen any Republican refer to Michelle Obama, as "Baby Mama". I've replied to many posts on Obama as well as the rest of the candidates and you will not find one where I defend racism, sexism, or offensive name calling. You don't find me rehashing Limbaugh, Hannity, Medved, or Fox News talking points on these boards because I don't need them to argue my point. And yet, here you are calling her names because you think McCain made a bad choice.



Eva, we wouldn't be having this discussion if it was Obama's oldest girl because the media would consider it off-limits and the bloggers would be talking about how brave she was for keeping the baby.



Sarah Palin has taken positions on issues that are in line with McCain's, she took them before McCain announced his run for President, and yet all the talk since last Friday has been about her and the status of her kids. In one move, McCain has locked up the "red" states (even those that were in the toss-up category), enforced his reputation as both a reformer and a 'maverick', picked a running mate that is idealogically in line with his views, invigorated the party and his campaign, focused the national media on the RNC convention, and <strong>completely diverted the nation's attention away from the greatest speech by a Democrat</strong> since President Kennedy. From a tactical stand-point, the pick was brilliant. From a strategic stand-point, it remains to be seen if it helps him win. Her inexperience and lack of national exposure may end up hurting him, but it does offer the opportunity for this observation: The most "qualified" person in America to be Vice-President (or President for that matter) was Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama DID NOT BOTHER to even consider her. You might think otherwise, but to me MCCain's judgement is looking better than Obama's when it comes to picking a Veep.
 
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They didn't. But calling Michelle Obama "Baby Mama" is the gurella marketing equivlent of tossing in the race card. If one was uninformed, they could assume 1) she's black trash and 2) they bore children out of wedlock. This is the Swift Boat 2.0. Where were you when this started? Why did you not step up and call this sort of conduct unacceptable? Sarah Palin is <em>"Baby Mama"</em> and nobody on the right has said boo. This doesn't bother you?



</blockquote>


From the mouth of Michelle Obama--HERSELF... On the night her "baby's daddy" won the senate seat in 04



<strong>MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF BARACK OBAMA: My baby's daddy Barack Obama. Yeah!</strong>



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/02/se.06.html
 
Here's Rush's take on it:



<blockquote>" Now, there's another little controversy that's hilarious, and it's brewing out there, and this, by the way, all this happening to the messiah who is going to unite us. Apparently, earlier this week on Fox, Michelle Malkin appeared as a Fox News contributor, a guest analyst. And whoever was composing the graphics that you see on the bottom of the screen put something up that said something along the lines of, Michelle is Obama's baby mama. "</blockquote>


Sure is funny. Just like calling Track Palin a "bastard" is hysterical.



<blockquote>"Now, the Obama camp is just livid and they're accusing Michelle Malkin of saying it. She didn't say it. She didn't even know it was on the screen when she was watching. Somebody at the Chyron department back at Fox put it up there. Don't know how it happened, but it did. When you say that somebody is somebody's baby mama, it's considered to be somewhat insulting. "</blockquote>


Is it hysterical or insulting? I'm confused. Wait - it's "Have it both Way Day"!



<blockquote>"So this is 2004, this is four years ago, and Michelle introduces him as "my baby's daddy." Right. So we'll find a way to get that on the Obama website in the form of a comment. </blockquote>"



I'm sure somebody in his immediate family called him the N word somewhere along the line. Does this green light use of that phrase? That won't work. That would be having it one way.



I seriously don't care you seriously can hold your nose at the double standard, but when you boil it down, this is why the Republicans are losing seats and will lose the White House. They have made a politcal trinity that isn't sustainable because it requires a moral purity that isn't possible.



Here is the cite.



<a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_061308/content/01125113.guest.html">http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_061308/content/01125113.guest.html</a>
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1220488484]<strong>completely diverted the nation's attention away from the greatest speech by a Democrat</strong> since President Kennedy. </blockquote>


Personally I think that the speech that Zell Miller gave at the 2004 RNC was the greatest speech by a Democrat in my lifetime.
 
[quote author="acpme" date=1220486139]

W by all accts has genuinely turned his life around. no longer smokes or drinks. he exercises 4 hrs per day and gets 12 hrs of sleep every night, doesn't take work home or work weekends. one kid got caught drinking in college but pretty much raised a good family.



so it seems to me like family life has zero predictive powers on what makes a good president.</blockquote>


Are you saying that W is a good president because he gets <strong>12 hours</strong> of sleep each night? I personally think it might have been better for this country if he stuck to his coke habit and was awake a little more.
 
What I don't get is why everybody is so upset about Palin's daughter's pregnancy being made a newsworthy campaign issue. It directly relates to her ability to manage, be that a state or a country: if you can't keep your own family in line (whatever it takes, like discussing birth control with your daughters), how can you ever hope to persuade me that you can fair better managing the whole country?

I just find it repugnant that Palin was chosen over GOP hopefuls like Romney or Juliani or Huckabee, since they got millions of votes in the primaries already and whatever skeletons they had in their respective closets have already been taken out and examined by the public and especially the media.

I wonder how many votes would Palin get in the primaries, my guess is zero if all this information would come out the way it came out now: the firing of the sister's ex-husband, an alleged affair with her husband's business associate, complete lack of education (please, BA in journalism qualifies you to run a country? I'd like to see some grad school or exceptional business success for any candidate for the highest public offices).

What I found fascinating is hearing on John and Ken's show tonight that Palin only got a passport last year and traveled abroad for the first time in her life. Talk about broadening your horizons and so on. I don't think that anybody who sits in Alaska for 44 years and never goes anywhere else can safely say they know something about the world or, let's say, foreign policy issues...
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1220488484]Eva, we wouldn't be having this discussion if it was Obama's oldest girl because the media would consider it off-limits and the bloggers would be talking about how brave she was for keeping the baby.</blockquote>


I suppose it's possible, Nude, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Heck, here's what that wild eyed commie liberal <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmNlZGFhNmI2Yzk1NzAzNDViM2VmZTA2NDRhN2ViN2Q=">Byron York** had to say</a>:



<blockquote>I don't usually engage in these scenarios, but I'll do it here. If the Obamas had a 17 year-old daughter who was unmarried and pregnant by a tough-talking black kid, my guess is if that they all appeared onstage at a Democratic convention and the delegates were cheering wildly, a number of conservatives might be discussing the issue of dysfunctional black families.</blockquote>




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**For those of you who don't get the joke, Byron York, of the National Review is the exact opposite of a commie liberal. I can't say if he is wild eyed or not, however.</em>
 
[quote author="blackacre-seeker" date=1220530817]What I don't get is why everybody is so upset about Palin's daughter's pregnancy being made a newsworthy campaign issue. It directly relates to her ability to manage, be that a state or a country: if you can't keep your own family in line (whatever it takes, like discussing birth control with your daughters), how can you ever hope to persuade me that you can fair better managing the whole country? </blockquote>


OK, serious tinfoil hat time. I was chatting with No_Vas this morning and I said that if Bristol were Obama's child, the tagline for all the McCain ads would be, "If he can't parent a child, how can he run a country?"
 
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