Orchard Hills - Capella by Taylor Morrison

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If Capella's street layout included many cul-de-sacs and rear set-backs of 20'+, they'd easily maintain the $1.4M+ base level they hit. I know we would have likely gone with Capella, dealing with the gate nuisance and accepting TUSD.
 
La Cita plan 4 has a view so maybe that counts for the 1m appreciation over a year? Still crazy though.  It's a bachelor pad layout.
 
If I was a smart criminal, I would actually target gated homes.

Higher cost, thus higher end items to steal... and since the gate provides a sense of security, homes may be easier to break into.

:)
 
Paris said:
Ready2Downsize said:
I would bet my money that they go up (or down) the same percentage from where they are today. OH is more expensive and goes up more but no more percentage wise than other Irvine homes or even Tustin Legacy/Baker Ranch.

La Vita plan 4 3900 sqft increased in value from $1.7 to $2.8 over just 1 year. I doubt we saw that same % appreciation of a 4000sqft residence in PP or Stonegate. I guess time will only tell - we should have one of our enthusiastic TI members keep some actual data on hand and present in 5-10 years

Wait, I reread that La Vita plan 4 $2.8m now? 

So a smaller view home is more than a larger Amelia and Trevi?
 
DrTravel said:
Visited Capella a few days ago to see how things are progressing. Seems that most homes sold there were on redfin at one time and were bought at huge discounts. Feel sorry for those who bought early or paid full retail. Community felt cramped but it is the most affordable option in the groves. Surrounding area nice and close to the Resort. Offers $27K broker co-op and takes contingent buyers. The ridiculously small backyards have been beaten to death here, but that is a common theme in much of Orchard Hills (and the upcoming Eastwood). The last three phases contained 17 lots, of which only 3 have sold (lots 13, 15 and 55). These lots all had one thing in common -  an actual back yard!

We liked plan 2 the best so checked out the three on the price sheet (there were 4 others available). Immediately noticed that lots 21 and 24 were both fully upgraded with a view. Checked them out and both were equally upgraded but 24 was $60K cheaper than 21. The view (plexiglass wall) was primarily looking down on Vicenza and the landscaping hiding the 261 toll way. Was there at 4 PM and you can definitely hear the 261 from the upstairs balcony. It wasn't that close but it seems that the noise carries farther uphill. Later on drove down to Vicenza which is right next to the 261 - a tad bit louder down there. Also looked at lot 51 which didn't have a view or flooring installed. Figured $40K for flooring so lots 51 and 24 were essentially the same price. So lots 24 looked like the best deal - plus you can always offer less.

So naturally I wondered why a view lot (24) was the same price as a non-view lot (51) and why one view lot (24) was less than another view lot (21). Checked the redfin listing and saw the price drops from $1,507,280 to $1,386,330 where it has been for almost 3 months, but no takers. Was thinking about making an offer but one has to be scared to buy something that nobody wants! Could the only "logical" explanation be the curse of the number 4 which sounds like death in Chinese! The address is 114 Long Fence. If you say 114 in Chinese it basically sounds like "Very soon to die". Lot number is 24. If you say 24 in Chinese it sounds like "Easily dying". A double wammy of death! So no Chinese will be buying this property. And I guess they are the only customers for the project as number 4 doesn't have any significant meaning to Koreans, Indians, and that minority - Caucasians.

Capella seems to be a favorite bashing item on these boards, so bash away! 

Was up in Orchard Hills yesterday, so decided to drive through Capella, since my Redfin saved search indicates a number of houses on Long Fence.  I now see why 114 Long Fence isn't selling, it has a parking lot right in front of it.  I wouldn't want people parked in front of my $1.4M house!  Looks like the community is mostly built out, with ~10 lots remaining. 
 
My buddy went to look at that house also.  He had many issues with all the homes he saw there besides the fact they have TINY lots.  He said all the ready to move in homes had the ugliest cabinets picked out.  Apparently they are the most expensive upgrades, but they were very ugly to look at.  Furthermore, the view lots do not have much of a view.  In fact he noted that they are big trees that will likely block the views.  There were some other things he said that I cannot remember right now...

 
hello said:
My buddy went to look at that house also.  He had many issues with all the homes he saw there besides the fact they have TINY lots.  He said all the ready to move in homes had the ugliest cabinets picked out.  Apparently they are the most expensive upgrades, but they were very ugly to look at.  Furthermore, the view lots do not have much of a view.  In fact he noted that they are big trees that will likely block the views.  There were some other things he said that I cannot remember right now...

Those "ugly" cabinets he is talking about are actually the ones in the plan 1 model. When I saw them on the model home I thought they looked pretty nice. But then again it depends on the home decor and overall how they pull into a space. I agree that the "view lots" on Long Fence are not very impressive, it's more a view from a distance. But that side does get some amazing sunset views that make me jealous and I would rather take a home with no neighbors behind me anyday over another house staring into my home. The views on bridle path of the orchards and hills are much more of a closer "view" but we get the beautiful sunrise which I don't get to enjoy often since I'm never up that early. My friend in Trevi has a closer expansive city lights view with those gorgeous sunsets but then again that's what $3 million buys you I guess.
 
Having looked at those houses as well...I would agree those cabinets are hideous. That said I like Capella floorplans just don't like idea of stretching myself that thin and having that lot size.
 
JLin said:
Just noticed huge price decreases on standing inventory on TM website. Around 80k off previous prices

123 Long Fence came down $104,000 to $1.29 million from $1.39 million.  These are becoming pretty reasonable that includes the upgrades.  I bet they will further knock off additional few $ten ks. 
 
Goriot said:
JLin said:
Just noticed huge price decreases on standing inventory on TM website. Around 80k off previous prices

123 Long Fence came down $104,000 to $1.29 million from $1.39 million.  These are becoming pretty reasonable that includes the upgrades.  I bet they will further knock off additional few $ten ks.
It looks like it came down about $140K from the original price.  Now it is within my price range but not sure we would like this house since the Master Bedroom backs to the side of house behind it.

Is TM offering rebates back to the initial phase buyers?
 
Perspective said:
If these prices include typical upgrades, some Capella plans have reached parity with Strada plan 3s.

What are the typical upgrades? Never bought a new house before. Looking at the pictures on Redfin, it looks like it comes with the french oak wood floors. Also see a 6 burner range with the griddle. Price is finally closer in line. Feel bad for the early phase buyers  :-\ but good for me  >:D
 
Irvine or Bust said:
Perspective said:
If these prices include typical upgrades, some Capella plans have reached parity with Strada plan 3s.

What are the typical upgrades? Never bought a new house before. Looking at the pictures on Redfin, it looks like it comes with the french oak wood floors. Also see a 6 burner range with the griddle. Price is finally closer in line. Feel bad for the early phase buyers  :-\ but good for me  >:D

If the cabinets, counters, and flooring are upgraded above the standard Capella options, this would cost a buyer well above $50K. Add in many of the other minor upgrade options and you can quickly surpass $100K.
 
I recall a few people thinking I was crazy that these wouldnt sell until they dropped another 100K off their price.  Well here it is.  There is one house listed for 1.26 now.  I may be wrong but I understand these capella homes are fully upgraded.  If that is the case, these homes are considerably cheaper than first phase. 

I wouldnt be surprised if they took offers on these homes for another 50k below the current list price...

Expect other builders to lower prices as well...

 
Irvine or Bust said:
Perspective said:
If these prices include typical upgrades, some Capella plans have reached parity with Strada plan 3s.

What are the typical upgrades? Never bought a new house before. Looking at the pictures on Redfin, it looks like it comes with the french oak wood floors. Also see a 6 burner range with the griddle. Price is finally closer in line. Feel bad for the early phase buyers  :-\ but good for me  >:D

Don't feel too bad for us early phase buyers. We still got ours for under $1.3 with a killer low mortgage rate for a beautiful view lot with no neighbors behind (no view premium back then). We still had to pay for some options obviously but glad I got to choose every detail that went into my house. That was important to me. (May not be for most people)

That being said those are some killer deals, esp that 123 Long Fence which has some decent looking options in it. . Looking at the photos and being through the design center I would guess that there is about $80k in upgrades there.  Considering a lot of nongated homes under 3000 sqft are practically selling for higher prices and this being the size of home it is at over 3200 sqft behind the gates of OH, that's a great deal for someone willing to hold onto this home for at least 10 years from now. When I talked to sales the other day they hinted that they just want to move the standing inventory so I guess this was the aggressive move to do so. 
 
Irvine or Bust said:
Perspective said:
If these prices include typical upgrades, some Capella plans have reached parity with Strada plan 3s.

What are the typical upgrades? Never bought a new house before. Looking at the pictures on Redfin, it looks like it comes with the french oak wood floors. Also see a 6 burner range with the griddle. Price is finally closer in line. Feel bad for the early phase buyers  :-\ but good for me  >:D

I wouldnt feel so bad for early phase buyers as Paris mentions.  I would feel bad for the late phase buyers who bought just before these recent price drops...
 
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