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I first visited Quail Hill in 2000. My thoughts then were, "this place is way too close to the 405" and "the Cobblestone development looks like Santa's Village." It was quite cheap then, I recall Cobblestone was about $200k and Kelsey Lane was about $300k.
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1232680221]My memory is a little vague, but seem to recall the cheapest condo at Quail Hill was $250k back then?</blockquote>


I'm sorry, I meant Oak Creek, not Quail Hill. My foggy recollection is the smallest Cobblestone was about $200k. I actually put a deposit on a Kelsey Lane home that was selling then for $320k but I backed out because I could hear the freeway from the lot.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1232679328][quote author="momopi" date=1232678055]

Do you remember when Quail Hill first opened? I thought it was nuts to see so many people lined up outside the sales office.</blockquote>
Yep. And you couldn't even drive up to the models. You had to park in the front area and walk up to where the model homes were. This was for the homes on the lower Knollcrest side.



I also remember Northpark... you had to take a tourbus and get dropped off at various stations to view model homes.



Those days are long gone.</blockquote>


HAHA I remember when Ladera Ranch was brand new they had those buses.
 
my coworker bought a 1bdrm condo in oak creek for $160k so $200k definitely wasn't the cheapest condo...



[quote author="High Gravity" date=1232680562][quote author="momopi" date=1232680221]My memory is a little vague, but seem to recall the cheapest condo at Quail Hill was $250k back then?</blockquote>


I'm sorry, I meant Oak Creek, not Quail Hill. My foggy recollection is the smallest Cobblestone was about $200k. I actually put a deposit on a Kelsey Lane home that was selling then for $320k but I backed out because I could hear the freeway from the lot.</blockquote>
 
[quote author="woodbury_owner" date=1232728035]my coworker bought a 1bdrm condo in oak creek for $160k so $200k definitely wasn't the cheapest condo...

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Your coworker probably put a deposit on a Plan 1 in Oak Park around early Summer of 2000, which was near later phase (closer to the crossing bridge, away from the gym). At phase 1 these went for about 110k-120k. When your coworker bought his/hers, the 2 bed models were selling for $200k and 3 bed (or 2 + loft) for $250k'ish.



Buyers of the last phase paid >$180k for these, but a lucky few by corner of Crescent Oak and Orangewood got full sized drive ways.



IMO late phase buyers didn't do that bad. They got a 2nd pool, plus the bigger one across Hawkcreek at Pine Brook park. Late night parking is also much easier because you're next to the SFR's by the bridge, fewer people park on the street so street parking is always avail.



Early phase buyers are closer to the main pool + gym and the shopping plaza, but late night street parking is more difficult. One good thing is that all units in Oak Park have 2 car garages, so worse case, you can always clear the clutter to make room to park inside.



I have a few friends who live further down on Hawk Creek, past the bridge. They bought the bigger SFR's but have to walk all the way to Pine Brook to use the pool. When they came to visit, they saw the little gym and commented "...wait, you get a gym and live next to a pool? We paid 5x as much for our home. Where's our gym?"

;)
 
Although I do like Oak Creek a lot, it puzzles me why they put so many upper-level SFRs on the side closest to the freeway, wouldn't it make much more sense to put all these condos there (or even better, all of the parks to distance people from the freeway).
 
[quote author="blackacre-seeker" date=1232775187]Although I do like Oak Creek a lot, it puzzles me why they put so many upper-level SFRs on the side closest to the freeway, wouldn't it make much more sense to put all these condos there (or even better, all of the parks to distance people from the freeway).</blockquote>
They'll get it right someday.



Like they got smarter with Quail Hill... all the higher density housing is closer to the 405 and main entrance road... while the bigger SFRs are up the hill.



The problem with parks being a buffer between housing and the freeway is that the way Oak Creek was designed, in order to get to the parks you would have to go through the neighborhoods which would be a traffic/privacy/distance issue. If you were to flip Dovecreek Park to lie against the freeway it would be much farther from the homes closer to Alton and only those southern tracts would have "steps from the park" access.



The way to alleviate is more mini-parks scattered throughout... but I'm not a builder.
 
Both Oak Creek and Quail Hill opted to place their public access parks in better locations, instead of putting them next to the 405 FWY. While I commend both communities in providing the facilities to the public, I also think the same soccer ball would roll just as well next to 405 FWY. It'd make sense to use parks as buffers and move homes away from the FWY.



I think it'd have made more sense if they:

1) Put the Oak Glenn apartments where Oak Creek Community park is

2) Put Oak Creek Community park between Alton and 405 FWY

3) Put the SFR's between Alton & 405 FWY where Oak Glenn is.
 
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