Northwood II vs Northwood Pointe

[irvinehomeshopper]

I doubt the Irvine Police has anything to do with this. The County has more to gain by keeping the Honor Farm in stealth operation. Other than the crowded city jail in Santa Ana the Farm handles the overflow felons. County needs jails close to the courthouse and Musick was considered ideal many years ago operating in the boonies away from civilization. That has change and population is inching too close to the Musick property.

Building new jails is impossible due to NIMBYism. The only solution I think is to reimage Musick to make peace with the neighbors and city. A nice mission statement, changing the road name, calling it an Honor Farm, and deleting word "jail" on all on line media definitely portray a positive image and keep the jail in operation for many more decades.

I am more interested in a cheap property due to the negative premium and launch my boarding business of parachute sons.

PS99472 posted Musick Jail's mission statement and it is certainly nothing serious or alarming. There is very little indication of "jail" from what I can tell and the street is "Honor Farm Road" where the facility is located. I checked the Thomas Guide map prior to 1980s and the street was renamed. I took the weekend doing a lot of internet searches and there is very little information out there that indicate the jail actually house inmates with a murder conviction. Legal information is difficult to uncover without proper credential and proper clearance. I guess we as consumer must take the mission statement as face value and continue to endorse the jail's operation in our backyard.

The so call "wife killer" housed in Musick jail was probably an urban legend but nonetheless I gave it a try as a search term. The search was not an easy task and pretty much the info is concealed from the public.

Here is a link of a wife killer published in the OC Register and there are numerous articles but I am posting just one recent find:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mordick-284158-katherine-years.html

His name is William Gregory Mordick. His picture is in the OC Register article. He killed his wife in Anaheim back in 1983 and recently brought back to OC due to a DNA match. For 28 years he lived as a happy family man and a model citizen in Spokane Washington.




Here is a picture of him at a jail interview wearing a blue jail suit with Keith Morrison in an episode of Dateline NBC aired in March of 2011


 

Here a back shot of William Gregory Mordick in his jail suit during the interview.

Thank you for doing all this very useful research!

This info was hidden from the public? That is disturbing. I really hope it wasn't the Irvine Police Department trying to keep a murder under wraps!

 

[25inirvine]

Why NP over NWII?  We like both areas but NWII feels easier to get to and out of with the 5 being so close. 

While I am not sure if my reasons are correct (feel free to counter if you wish) but here are some of the reasons I like NW Pointe.  Keep in mind, I haven't really researched it, it just my assumptions and things I have noticed from living in the area.

1.  I like how NW Pointe is kinda by itself out there.  Granted Orchard Hills will also be there soon.  I like Portola a lot as well.

2.  I prefer to be a little further from the freeway.  At least a mile away, but prefer to be even more.

3.  I like NW Pointe having a bigger area and more variety in houses, from 1-2 bedroom condos to 2 million dollar mansions.  Probably means more of the kids will be within walking distance to friends house if

4.  I don't like the location of NWII being between 3 larger streets.  And the area isnt that big.  At least like NW.  You probably don't have Jeffery near your backyard, but something more like Southwood/Eastwood or Park Place.  Or if NW Pointe, something like Meadowood.

5. As someone said above, lower mello roos.

I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

[...]
I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

Such wisdom at a young age.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

Why NP over NWII?  We like both areas but NWII feels easier to get to and out of with the 5 being so close. 

While I am not sure if my reasons are correct (feel free to counter if you wish) but here are some of the reasons I like NW Pointe.  Keep in mind, I haven't really researched it, it just my assumptions and things I have noticed from living in the area.

1.  I like how NW Pointe is kinda by itself out there.  Granted Orchard Hills will also be there soon.  I like Portola a lot as well.

2.  I prefer to be a little further from the freeway.  At least a mile away, but prefer to be even more.

3.  I like NW Pointe having a bigger area and more variety in houses, from 1-2 bedroom condos to 2 million dollar mansions.  Probably means more of the kids will be within walking distance to friends house if

4.  I don't like the location of NWII being between 3 larger streets.  And the area isnt that big.  At least like NW.  You probably don't have Jeffery near your backyard, but something more like Southwood/Eastwood or Park Place.  Or if NW Pointe, something like Meadowood.

5. As someone said above, lower mello roos.

I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

what's the melllo roos for NP usually like? $2000 a year?

thanks

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Northwood Pointe started in the early 90's. Home prices were between $190-$450k. Many starter families could afford to buy there then. Text Generation born then is now impacting Northwood High.

In several more years there will be a decline of student population there. The quality of education will be ideal due to a smaller Student/Teacher ratio. This window is about 5 years before the Tablet generation from Stone Flats and Honor Farm proper become high schoolers.

My pick is the Pointe over the Northwood stepchild and Granny Northwood.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Why NP over NWII?  We like both areas but NWII feels easier to get to and out of with the 5 being so close. 

While I am not sure if my reasons are correct (feel free to counter if you wish) but here are some of the reasons I like NW Pointe.  Keep in mind, I haven't really researched it, it just my assumptions and things I have noticed from living in the area.

1.  I like how NW Pointe is kinda by itself out there.  Granted Orchard Hills will also be there soon.  I like Portola a lot as well.

2.  I prefer to be a little further from the freeway.  At least a mile away, but prefer to be even more.

3.  I like NW Pointe having a bigger area and more variety in houses, from 1-2 bedroom condos to 2 million dollar mansions.  Probably means more of the kids will be within walking distance to friends house if

4.  I don't like the location of NWII being between 3 larger streets.  And the area isnt that big.  At least like NW.  You probably don't have Jeffery near your backyard, but something more like Southwood/Eastwood or Park Place.  Or if NW Pointe, something like Meadowood.

5. As someone said above, lower mello roos.

I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

what's the melllo roos for NP usually like? $2000 a year?

thanks

Depends on the size/price of the home, but it'll range from $1,500 to $2,500 per year for the most part.

 

[ps99472]

This thread is giving me deja vu.

I don't mind the deja vu... need some more in this forum..

 

[25inirvine]

Why NP over NWII?  We like both areas but NWII feels easier to get to and out of with the 5 being so close. 

While I am not sure if my reasons are correct (feel free to counter if you wish) but here are some of the reasons I like NW Pointe.  Keep in mind, I haven't really researched it, it just my assumptions and things I have noticed from living in the area.

1.  I like how NW Pointe is kinda by itself out there.  Granted Orchard Hills will also be there soon.  I like Portola a lot as well.

2.  I prefer to be a little further from the freeway.  At least a mile away, but prefer to be even more.

3.  I like NW Pointe having a bigger area and more variety in houses, from 1-2 bedroom condos to 2 million dollar mansions.  Probably means more of the kids will be within walking distance to friends house if

4.  I don't like the location of NWII being between 3 larger streets.  And the area isnt that big.  At least like NW.  You probably don't have Jeffery near your backyard, but something more like Southwood/Eastwood or Park Place.  Or if NW Pointe, something like Meadowood.

5. As someone said above, lower mello roos.

I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

what's the melllo roos for NP usually like? $2000 a year?

thanks

I usually just go to a the tax site for a property that seems close to the same size I'm interested in and grab it from there.  Heres just a random one.

http://tax.ocgov.com/tcweb/tax_details.asp?APN=53022154&TaxYr=2011&CmpRevDte=79889283&RateTRA=26-201&Suffix=00

 

[25inirvine]

[...]
I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

Such wisdom at a young age.

Not hard to get that wisdom with the crap they are putting out there.  Even though I'm in a totally different market than most of you on here seem to be looking at, I am disgusted by even the entry level condo/townhomes that are out there at the prices they offer just as much as you guys are disgusted by the bigger garbage that is out there.

 

[usctrojancpa]

[...]
I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

Such wisdom at a young age.

Not hard to get that wisdom with the crap they are putting out there.  Even though I'm in a totally different market than most of you on here seem to be looking at, I am disgusted by even the entry level condo/townhomes that are out there at the prices they offer just as much as you guys are disgusted by the bigger garbage that is out there.

Hence why I'm looking at late 90s/early 2000s re-sale homes.  Only decent option out there is Las Ventanas.

 

[akim997]

I'd take NW Pointe over NW any day.  Newer build, community feels great, great schools, all things i like.  I just don't like how current owners have self-imposed a large premium for the area... 

My boss has a house on Clear Creek, great area.  The difference in Mello and HOA vs. none in old NW is not much. 

In comparison with NW II, I'd still take Northwood Pointe.  I was a bidder on an infamous Torrey Pines house in NWII.  The area is small, but pretty nice.  It's weird in that you have an "afterthought" neighboorhood in Northwood.  I feel you get a better sense of your community over in NW Pointe.    Again, this is coming from someone who does like NWII.  NWII is nice in that its a bit newer (04-06ish) and you still have reasonable MR (~$3200 for the Camelia homes).   

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Las Ventana isn't great. You are just choosing the lesser of all evils.

[...]
I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

Such wisdom at a young age.

Not hard to get that wisdom with the crap they are putting out there.  Even though I'm in a totally different market than most of you on here seem to be looking at, I am disgusted by even the entry level condo/townhomes that are out there at the prices they offer just as much as you guys are disgusted by the bigger garbage that is out there.

Hence why I'm looking at late 90s/early 2000s re-sale homes.  Only decent option out there is Las Ventanas.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Las Ventana isn't great. You are just choosing the lesser of all evils.

[...]
I wouldn't oppose either one, but i just tend to like the areas of the late 90's/early 2000's more than the more recent places.

Such wisdom at a young age.

Not hard to get that wisdom with the crap they are putting out there.  Even though I'm in a totally different market than most of you on here seem to be looking at, I am disgusted by even the entry level condo/townhomes that are out there at the prices they offer just as much as you guys are disgusted by the bigger garbage that is out there.

Hence why I'm looking at late 90s/early 2000s re-sale homes.  Only decent option out there is Las Ventanas.

Didn't say it was great...it's the most decent option out there.  Obviously it'd be better if the Mello Roos was lower and it was further from the toll road.

 

[hunter11]

I have been looking around the same area and I like the location and Northwood Pointe community...like everyone says though, as a buyer, I am not a fan of the premium that the location holds.

Any thoughts on this house in NP and/or the Georgetown area?  I am surprised that it is still active @ around 50 days out but it could be the fact that it might need some work- any ideas what this would go for?http://www.redfin.com/homes-for-sale#!search_location=25 mount vernon

Thanks!

 

[rkp]

we were bidders on the mount vernon house.  it shouldnt be active as they have already submitted an offer to the bank at about $750K.  it definitely needed work but i liked the house.  my wife wasnt a fan of the narrow streets and how the houses edged onto the street

 

[hunter11]

Thanks RKP, hope you are still in the running!  Yeah I've toured around the community and it is a bit tight like you stated, not sure if that is specific to Georgetown or if other NP areas are like it.  I do like the fact that this one has a full driveway while others don't come out all the way.
I think based on sq/ft and location ~$750 is still pretty good, I was thinking it would end up at the higher end of the 700's.

 

[rkp]

we are definitely out of the running!  it only made sense to my wife if we got a killer deal but not at $750 as she wasnt a fan from the get go. 

we have family and friends in NWP and all the areas seem to feel like the houses creep up to the street.  my brother's inlaws house is 4000+ sq ft with large lot in a nice gated community inside of NWP and even those big houses feel cramped.  i think its just the style of NWP