Northwood II vs Northwood Pointe

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bball32

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I'm relatively new to Irvine so trying to get a handle on different areas of Irvine.

Why are the prices so different in the three Northwood sub divisions? For example, (old) Northwood I is significantly cheaper than Northwood II and Northwood Pointe? How would you rank the three?

With all of the new construction at Portola, will Northwood II and Northwood Pointe retain value? Is everyone chasing new? Does old translate into a lower bid for the property.

New matters less to me - property holding its value matters much more so trying to get perspective on the three areas of Northwood.

We're looking in the $850-$1MM range - which neighborhood would you bet on for the next 10-15 years?
 
Welcome to TI and continue posting.  Old Northwood home prices is cheaper because the homes are much older (built in the 70s and 80s) and have some dated floor plans which are not attractive to many buyers.  Northwood Pointe home prices are so high because they are zoned for some of the best schools in Irvine and are relatively new (late 90s/early 2000s built homes).  Northwood Pointe also has the low Mello Roos.  A lot of buyers like new homes because they have desirable floor plans and they don't have to deal with getting into multiple offer situations on those nice floor plans in Northwood II and Northwood Pointe.  I think Northwood Pointe will retain value pretty well and Portola Springs has the best chance of price appreciation once it is all built out.  In general, if you plan on owning a home for 10-15 years in Irvine you should be fine if you buy in the villages that you mentioned.
 
irvinehomeshopper said:
I have to disagree on Portola Springs. A jail is next door. Toll road is behind. High fire danger is lurking. Landfill is near by. Cell tower EMF and ancient Indian ground limit future price appreciation.
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A jail? Certainly they don't house *truly* dangerous inmates at that jail though, right? No convicted murderers or wife-killers, I hope!
 
traceimage said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
I have to disagree on Portola Springs. A jail is next door. Toll road is behind. High fire danger is lurking. Landfill is near by. Cell tower EMF and ancient Indian ground limit future price appreciation.
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A jail? Certainly they don't house *truly* dangerous inmates at that jail though, right? No convicted murderers or wife-killers, I hope!
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James A. Musick Facility

Captain Ron White
Mission Statement
The men and women assigned to the James A. Musick jail facility serve the residents of Orange County by providing a safe, secure and humane environment for pre-trial and sentenced inmates.  Inmates are encouraged and afforded the opportunities for self improvement, personal growth and development with a variety of educational, vocational, and religious programs and classes.  The dedicated and trained staff strives to treat everyone professionally with respect and dignity while maintaining or exceeding detention standards and adhering to federal, state and local laws.

The James A. Musick Facility provides custodial and rehabilitative programs for 1,250 adult male and female inmates. Educational programs are available which enable the inmates to receive a G.E.D. while incarcerated. In addition, educational classes are offered in subjects such as; parenting, substance abuse, math, and government. Vocational Classes that are offered at the facility includes; Sewing, Cabinetry Welding, Workforce Readiness, and Food Preparation. A laundry facility is also set up to service the other jail facilities as well as Juvenile Hall and the Orangewood Children's Home.

History
The James A. Musick Facility is a one hundred acre minimum security facility known as "The Farm." The facility is located in an unincorporated area of the county near the cities of Irvine and Lake Forest. Captain Ron White manages the daily operations of the 1,250 bed facility. The facility was originally opened in 1963 and was named in honor of James A. Musick, who was the Sheriff of Orange County from 1947 to 1975. Originally the facility held a maximum of 200 male minimum-security inmates and was referred to as the "County Industrial Farm" or the "Honor Farm." Since 1986, the inmate housing capacity has increased to 1,250, and includes both men and women. The inmates housed at the facility are considered to be a low security risk and most are in jail for crimes such as driving under the influence, minor drug possession, burglary, failure to pay child support, and or prostitution. Inmates who have committed violent crimes, sex crimes or mayhem are not eligible for transfer to the facility.

So no wife killers.. but you might a drunk, coked up, cat burglar-prostitute who denies paying child support but has a G.E.D. knocking on your door if they escape out of this minimum security jail.  Kinda of a far walk to Portola... and there is nothing there... if I break out of jail i'll go get in line at 85 degrees
 
Thanks for all of the helpful responses. One follow-up...

Would Northwood II get rezoned to Irvine High? Northwood Pointe is very close to Northwood High.

What about Portola getting rezoned elsewhere? Is there any precedent for that happening in the past?

For example the Old Westpark goes to Woodbridge High while the newer Westpark goes to Uni.
 
bball32 said:
Thanks for all of the helpful responses. One follow-up...

Would Northwood II get rezoned to Irvine High? Northwood Pointe is very close to Northwood High.

What about Portola getting rezoned elsewhere? Is there any precedent for that happening in the past?

For example the Old Westpark goes to Woodbridge High while the newer Westpark goes to Uni.
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I've heard from parents who live in the old Northwood area that their neighborhood would eventually be zoned for Irvine High once the developments around Northwood High are done (I'm assuming that they heard from their elementary school?)  Anyways, since the NII is right next to the old NW area, it will probably eventually be zoned for Irvin High. 

But then again, who knows what will happen once they build the 5 th HS in the GP...
 
I would recommend focusing on the village/s and floor plan/s you guys like best because predicting which area will remain its value is hard to do.  If you buy for the longer term, you should be fine regardless of which of the 3-4 villages you pick.
 
USCTrojanCPA said:
I would recommend focusing on the village/s and floor plan/s you guys like best because predicting which area will remain its value is hard to do.  If you buy for the longer term, you should be fine regardless of which of the 3-4 villages you pick.
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Yay, the money topic is back.  First I would like to mention that USC, I, and others say 10~15 years is fine because we simply cannot see the housing issue lasting that long.  However, we are not fortune tellers and cannot predict that it will be.  Second, what is the timeline of your purchase?  You seem to be looking at this very strongly from the value side of buying and while the opinions on that vary, the consensus is buying really soon is a bad idea.  I for one would waiting out the Euro-crisis and am dying to see if the US can escape another financial mix up due to the budget.  The Fed is going to keep rates low for a long time they've said, so you don't have to move that fast.

I feel that buying based on value right now is a bad idea, you should buy if you have non-financial reasons for getting a home.  If you don't have a realtor make sure to get one.  There are plenty on these forums (such as USC), make sure you find one you mesh well with.
 
The Motor Court Company said:
what are the boundaries for Northwood I, Northwood II and Northwood Pointe? can some one enlighten me here?
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Redfin does a pretty good job of showing you the boundaries of these hoods.

For Northwood, it shows you both Northwood I and II. Northwood is the older neighborhood bounded by Culver, the 5, Jeffrey and slightly north of Irvine Blvd.

Northwood II is the newer neighborhood next to Woodbury, east of Northwood I and is bounded by Bryan, Trabuco and Jeffrey. It is gated.

Northwood Pointe (spelled Northwood Point in Redfin) is north of Northwood I bounded by Culver, Portola and Jeffrey. Separate neighborhoods are gated.
 
you will know the seperation between Northwood 1 and Northwood Pointe right away if you drive it.  Hicks Canyon Trail separates the two.  If one Culver or Yale  you will see trail go under you and at this point you will notice the houses get a lot newer or a lot older right away depending on which way you are going.

Here is a good map:

NorthwoodPointe_map_detail.jpg


The blue is Northwood Pointe, the yellow below it is Northwood.  Growing up in Northwood, I do remember back when I could ride my bike back in the Orange groves that is now Northwood Pointe.  Hard to believe, how that all just seemed to vanish overnight.

I would pick Northwood Pointe over Northwood II easily.
 
Why NP over NWII?  We like both areas but NWII feels easier to get to and out of with the 5 being so close. 
 
PS99472 posted Musick Jail's mission statement and it is certainly nothing serious or alarming. There is very little indication of "jail" from what I can tell and the street is "Honor Farm Road" where the facility is located. I checked the Thomas Guide map prior to 1980s and the street was renamed. I took the weekend doing a lot of internet searches and there is very little information out there that indicate the jail actually house inmates with a murder conviction. Legal information is difficult to uncover without proper credential and proper clearance. I guess we as consumer must take the mission statement as face value and continue to endorse the jail's operation in our backyard.

The so call "wife killer" housed in Musick jail was probably an urban legend but nonetheless I gave it a try as a search term. The search was not an easy task and pretty much the info is concealed from the public.

Here is a link of a wife killer published in the OC Register and there are numerous articles but I am posting just one recent find:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mordick-284158-katherine-years.html

His name is William Gregory Mordick. His picture is in the OC Register article. He killed his wife in Anaheim back in 1983 and recently brought back to OC due to a DNA match. For 28 years he lived as a happy family man and a model citizen in Spokane Washington.




Here is a picture of him at a jail interview wearing a blue jail suit with Keith Morrison in an episode of Dateline NBC aired in March of 2011


 
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Here a back shot of William Gregory Mordick in his jail suit during the interview.


MurdererinMusick-1.jpg

 
irvinehomeshopper said:
PS99472 posted Musick Jail's mission statement and it is certainly nothing serious or alarming. There is very little indication of "jail" from what I can tell and the street is "Honor Farm Road" where the facility is located. I checked the Thomas Guide map prior to 1980s and the street was renamed. I took the weekend doing a lot of internet searches and there is very little information out there that indicate the jail actually house inmates with a murder conviction. Legal information is difficult to uncover without proper credential and proper clearance. I guess we as consumer must take the mission statement as face value and continue to endorse the jail's operation in our backyard.

The so call "wife killer" housed in Musick jail was probably an urban legend but nonetheless I gave it a try as a search term. The search was not an easy task and pretty much the info is concealed from the public.

Here is a link of a wife killer published in the OC Register and there are numerous articles but I am posting just one recent find:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/mordick-284158-katherine-years.html

His name is William Gregory Mordick. His picture is in the OC Register article. He killed his wife in Anaheim back in 1983 and recently brought back to OC due to a DNA match. For 28 years he lived as a happy family man and a model citizen in Spokane Washington.




Here is a picture of him at a jail interview wearing a blue jail suit with Keith Morrison in an episode of Dateline NBC aired in March of 2011


 
LifesentenceinMusick.jpg


Here a back shot of William Gregory Mordick in his jail suit during the interview.


MurdererinMusick-1.jpg
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Thank you for doing all this very useful research!

This info was hidden from the public? That is disturbing. I really hope it wasn't the Irvine Police Department trying to keep a murder under wraps!
 
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