New builds - likes and dislikes?

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ps99472

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With all these new homes being released in Irvine, what are some features people like or dislike over the older homes for resale?  For me the obvious would be the lack of a high ceiling/entrance effect.  Still have my hopes up for Orchard Hills.  Also I don't see much use in a Wok/Chef's kitchen.  It would be an expensive upgrade that end up as a glorified pantry.  I do see the appeal of a gigantic kitchen island but knowing my family's lifestyle, it would be hard not to clutter it up.  Another negative for  me is a large laundry room, wasted space in my opinion. 
 
Dislikes
1. Lack of second dining area... although some are now doing that. I'm not fond of the first floor being one big box.
2. Lack of 3rd garage space. At least some in PP are doing the tandem with an option to turn it into something else, but a proper 3CWG would be nice to see.
3. Small master closets
4. Any home > 2500sft not having an upstairs loft/5th br

Likes
1. Cali Room/Outdoor Room/Covered Patio: I like that inside/outside feel, makes the big box feel less boxy.
2. Bigger lots (mostly in PP)... always nice and with no pocket parks, needed.
3. Upstairs laundry (doesn't need to be big, just useful... and with a sink)
4. Some do have lofts but only the more expensive bigger ones.
5. Walk-in pantry
6. High ceilings, not vaulted but the 10' ones are nice
 
Walked thru Melrose models this am, liked the optional door from upstairs laundry room to master closet.  Great idea!
 
Likes:
Pantry/wok kitchen offering area for 2nd fridge.  I know some ppl are not a fan of the secondary area for cooking, but my wife loves the idea.  I'm over the ghetto 2nd fridge in the garage.

Also love the door from master closet to laundry room.  Genius.

Builders offering more high end appliance options.

2nd master on first floor and/or separated yet connected grandparent living area on 1st floor.

Vaulted or higher ceilings.

Dislikes:
Still small lot sizes.

No 3CW garages.  3 car with tandem is new norm, too bad.

High HOA/MR

Shallow setbacks, also new norm sadly.

Pricing.
 
Regular Fridges should be considered counter depth...at least on that fridge side make the cabinet deeper.  I feel jipped I paid more for less
 
Likes: Typically a bit cheaper than surrounding comps due to new phase, new, trendy options such as California/Obsv Room, Glass Folding Doors vs Sliding, make home how you like

Dislikes: Long wait lists, long wait lists, have to pay for upgrades, landscaping, not quite move in ready if you are doing upgrades afterwards

 
Don't like the tech center usually tucked behind kitchen corner, makes me claustrophobic, besides who uses laptops anymore, tablets in great room for my internet needs.
 
I liked buying a new home just for the peace of mind that it's a lot less likely to need major repairs in the first few years. Also - I don't want to live in a home that is under renovation or renovate a home while paying the mortgage, etc.
 
I forgot to add:

First floor flex rooms/space.

I think almost every larger home builder had at least 1 plan with a 2nd dining room, den or other type of space set up on the first floor. It's not a formal dining or living, but at least it's customizable to how the buyer wants it.

Whistler even advertised it as a Flex space.
 
Tyler Durden said:
  • Bi-fold doors that further blur the line between indoor and outdoor living space.  With CA weather, there's no reason to not enjoy the outdoors.  Unless you are afraid of sunlight.
Oh yeah, that accordion door in the Rosemist models is awesome.
 
Noticed many new homes with gigantic master showers.  why?  Someone else mentioned the same thing in another thread, still scratching my head on this trend.  Some had dual showerheads (standard and overhead) but it still doesn't require that much room.  And the dual showerheads don't hit the entire shower stall so what's the point?  And what's the seat for?  shampoo bottles and soap?  I don't usually need a seat during my 8-10 min shower. 
 
ps9 said:
Noticed many new homes with gigantic master showers.  why?  Someone else mentioned the same thing in another thread, still scratching my head on this trend.  Some had dual showerheads (standard and overhead) but it still doesn't require that much room.  And the dual showerheads don't hit the entire shower stall so what's the point?  And what's the seat for?  shampoo bottles and soap?  I don't usually need a seat during my 8-10 min shower.

The seat might be helpful for women who shave their legs in the shower.
 
My wife wants to buy the pulte Hawthorne plan 3 just for the shower. Said it was spa like. The bench is for women to either sit and shave it have somewhere to put their legs up to shave. And to hold their 30 different bottles of shampoos, conditioners, etc.

For us guys the bench is to give u more options during sex in the shower :-)
 
I'm a "big shower" proponent... but that's also because I'm a big guy.

I don't sing in the shower, I dance... so I need room.

Every shower needs a seat, not just for women to shave but men to scrub their lower legs and wash their feet (which can't be done well in a small shower).
 
Finally got to walk a few of the Pavilion Park models yesterday. One nice thing was bumping into a salesperson at the Lennar tract whom I had done business with back in the mid 1990's.

1) It's too bad all of the homes don't have the lot sizes that Sagewood has. I can't see paying $1m for a Lyon Whistler home - because that's what it will end up costing with upgrades - and only get a 5,000 SF lot. 1 less home per phase would equal 1,000 extra SF in lot size and any "loss" likely get made up in higher price points for the homes.

2) There was a high degree of "same-ness" to the floor plans. Big room down stairs, everyone up stairs, until you get into the $1.1m price range.

3) Calling a 2 car tandem a 3 car garage. Please.

4) The ever present "Wall-O-Showers" in every model was a bit jarring. Sagewood, Plan 2's WOS was ridiculous. A 15+ ft long shower stall? (That's going to hold quite the party!) After 4-5 showers with the hard water we've got here in OC, you'll rue the day the builder put those in as you try to scrub the lime scale off.

5) That little Lennar single story had a "manufactured home" feel to it. Blegh.

6) If I see one more panda picture, bamboo used in landscaping, or Wok in the kitchen, I'm going to use that Wok like Thor's Hammer and smite someone with it. We get it...OK!

On the plus side, it was nice to see TIC re-use the Great Park trees. Surprised to see how many of the mature trees from the El Toro Marine Base were in the development.

The exterior home style variance between the builders is a strong selling point. I live in Rancho Santa Margarita. When the area was constructed builders had a very narrow set of styles to work with and my home looks like everyone else house. I get that same feeling when going through the majority of Portola Springs. The group that built RSM learned from their mistake building Ladera Ranch with a wide variety of home styles. Pavilion Park seems to have grabbed hold of that same idea and should be a successful venture.

 
ps9 said:
Noticed many new homes with gigantic master showers.  why?  Someone else mentioned the same thing in another thread, still scratching my head on this trend.  Some had dual showerheads (standard and overhead) but it still doesn't require that much room.  And the dual showerheads don't hit the entire shower stall so what's the point?  And what's the seat for?  shampoo bottles and soap?  I don't usually need a seat during my 8-10 min shower. 

I'd rather have large walk in type shower with seating than a tub. That thing just collects dust in my master bath.
 
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