Need advice on timing a home purchase.

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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1219365631][quote author="HB Bear, Too" date=1219276936][quote author="bkshopr" date=1219275608]Bear,



The price of home ownership = 2-1/2 x your current rent = a no maintenance newer home.



An older home will escalate to 3-1/2 x your current rent. Yard maintenance and water bill = $425 /mo.



Owning a home = many trips to Home depot = all your eating out lunch budget.</blockquote>


Not sure I follow you here.</blockquote>


When you own a house there are a lot of unanticipated expenses. Don't own a pet when you can only afford the food. I am sharing with you my experience of owning a home. Being a homeowner you too can become a construction litigation expert.</blockquote>


God, I hope I never become an expert in any kind of litigation.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1219374319][quote author="awgee" date=1219373536]If you are going to purchase with a mortgage, the smart way to buy a home is to wait until mortgage interest rates are sky high and prices are low. Buy with a variable rate mortgage. make your payments for a few years, and then refinance to a lower rate when interest rates come down and prices head up again. This is pretty much the opposite of how most folks buy homes, but if you pencil it out you will understand the advantage.</blockquote>


It's a pretty basic concept that MANY fail to see clearly. You can ALWAYS refi your interest rate but you can NEVER refi your purchase price when it drops.</blockquote>


It does make a great deal of sense. Higher rates = lower prices, now of course that people actually have to qualify for their loans, that is.
 
[quote author="stepping_up" date=1219360124]As the wife approaching 40 who wanted a house married to a man who doesn't pay much attention to the real estate market and was on board with buying this year, I suggest waiting. We closed escrow in May and at the time it seemed like a really great deal, but there is a big part of me that wishes we had waited because prices are still dropping quite rapidly. We were able to get a 5.875 fixed back then, so when I weigh that vs the higher rate today, the payment is pretty much a wash with the lower purchase price.



On the one hand, we both really enjoy having our own house with a yard. On the other, we would have preferred a better location. If it was a matter of having to move into another rental at market vs buying this house, we would have definitely opted for the latter, even knowing what we know now. What gives me buyers remorse is that we gave up a steal of a deal on our rental. Even though buying this house is essentially at rental parity when you factor in the tax break, it's only so when you consider market value rents.



Initially I was really discouraged with the continued decline in prices, but as time goes on I think less and less about what the market value is today, meaning I've gone from obsessing over it to something I still think about daily . I think that's mostly because I've had to resign myself to accept that it may very well decline an additional 10%-20% from what we paid. I'm not sure if this stems from the natural tendency of owners to deny the worst, but I believe it's more likely to be an 11% drop than a 20% drop. I have a really hard time believing the uber bears predictions, but I also laugh at the bottom callers.





However, I haven't seen anything else come on the market here that I felt was a better value and wished we bought instead. Actually, there have been one or two, but they got snapped up so fast that we wouldn't have been able to buy them. There was one that appeared to be sooo much better for sooo much less that I was agonizing for two days over it, but when I went to look at it, thankfully it turned out to be a total POS. The day I do see something come on the market that is clearly a significantly greater value in our range, I know it will bother me quite a bit. I should just stop watching the market, but I can't help myself.



It sounds as though you've found your compromise, so my knife catching blather isn't much of a help. Your mutual resignation on the decision will take care of the inner debate of "do we or don't we."</blockquote>




Thank you for sharing your experience. I bought my home in October 06 knowing that the market will continue to decline anyway. Mrs BK and I bought the home because we love our home and there is not another one like it in OC. We paid $515 /sf for our place and watched the comp gone down since our purchase. Since our home is not a part of a cookie cutter development so the only comp comparison is based on similar footages. We never really regret our decision because we bought a home we really adore and enjoy living there. Being extremely picky about everything I was lucky just being able to find a home that I actually like and the extra money we spent was worth it to secure a rare find.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1219394999]Being extremely picky about everything I was lucky just being able to find a home that I actually like and the extra money we spent was worth it to secure a rare find.</blockquote>


You... picky? LOL, I am surprised that there is a home out there that would get the official BK seal of approval. The approval being you would actually live there.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1219395999][quote author="bkshopr" date=1219394999]Being extremely picky about everything I was lucky just being able to find a home that I actually like and the extra money we spent was worth it to secure a rare find.</blockquote>


You... picky? LOL, I am surprised that there is a home out there that would get the official BK seal of approval. The approval being you would actually live there.</blockquote>


I did find another one in VOC but AI rejected my application. LOL

I almost found one in Brightwater in Huntington Beach by Hearthside Homes until someone posted pictures of the cracked tiles and water drainage away from the drain due to inferior craftsmanship and potential ground movement.
 
Thanks to everyone who answered the poll and big thanks to those who responded to the thread and offered their advice. I sincerely appreciate it.



I thought I'd communicate that, due in significant part to the feedback received here, we've decided to wait until at least 2009 to purchase a home.



Another factor, and I think some might find this interesting, was Quicken. When my tax lawyer friend and I added a house that depreciated at the rate suggested by the Case Shiller Index to the HB Bear assets in Quicken, it wiped out all of our gains on and contributions to all of our other assets. And then some.



In the end, thankfully, logic prevailed over emotion.



Thanks again to everyone for feedback and encouragement.
 
<blockquote>I have found a way to lease AND get my home improvement fix on... I've discovered that my landlord, who is very nice by the way, is agreeable to small upgrades/repairs/etc. provided I am doing the work myself and he doesn't have to pay outside labor costs. I've done a few tiny things so far (replaced toilet handle and toilet seat, fixed a mini-blind) that he's allowed me to deduct off the rent.

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I rent, and was able to convince my private landlord into a $700 pergo flooring / paint upgrade. I put in a few weekends and now have a much improved property. They also allowed me to upgrade all the water fixtures and have upgraded kitchen applicances. I have lived here 3 years @ around 700 a month and give them the impression I will continue this trend.



Granted Irvine company's units are upto date, they dont allow the flexibility of a private home, and owning a private home would be severely out of my grasp.



Waiting for housing in Irvine to come down to $280, I know wishful thinking.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1219374319]You can ALWAYS refi your interest rate but you can NEVER refi your purchase price when it drops.</blockquote>


mmmhhh.... isn't that exactly what people where told a couple years back on their promo 2% teaser rate.... oh just refi later into a low fixed! .... or maybe not...



i wouldn't try to predict the interest market... you mightget stuck with your 12% interest rate for longer than you want....



i bought my home 100% financed 4.8% fixed for thirty years... i don't care what the value of the home goes too... after tax brake and inflation i pay close to 0% interest.



and if prop tax goes down i have my prop tax adjusted...



and i LOVE the home i'm in, instead of beeing stuck in some dump of an rental
 
If they had taken the savings between the teaser vs. the normal/adjusted rate and plowed it into a balloon payment when reset, they'd probably be fine payment wise. They'd still lose value, but there's nothing they can do about that. Instead they could barely afford the teaser and are now screwed. Counting on infinite appreciation was a mistake.



As for how many people actually save .. I know, I'm talking about the wrong country.
 
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