Musick jail expansion plan finally moving forward

[Bullsback]

You are right about what's being worst - but we are talking about probability of the event actually occurs.  What's the probability of a lanfill leak/explode(?) v.s. the probability of a friend of inmate deciding it's a good idea to take some souvenir along in the neighborhood after the visit?  I think the later bears a much greater chance of happening.

The question is, is that person visiting more likely to head towards foothill and the tollroad or more likely to turn around and go on a jaunt around the marine base / spectrum area on their way back to the fwy? I would hypothesize the spectrum / five points once that is all built out.  All theory and even then chance of anything major is probably relatively remote under most scenarios. And chance of jail break and then murder spree likely as minimal.  And again, if it were to happen, just as likely it would be on the Irvine side vs. Baker Ranch / Foothill side.

when was the last time you heard of lanfill site leaking or explode? and when was the last time you heard an inmate escape from jail?  :-\
I would think that an inmate escaping from jail or visitor decided to do something fun would be the nbd closest to jail...  and which nbd is closest to jail? or are you telling me that they will travel an additional distance and bypassing the nearest nbd they see along the route?  doesn't make any sense to me. 

My point is to get to the jail, they are likely exiting the 405 / 5 fwy and driving through / around the spectrum area and the business park and thus never passing by Baker Ranch (as well as what will eventually be the outside limits of the great park). To get back to where they are going, they will get back on the freeway and thus the neighborhoods they pass on the way to / from visit would probably be more likely to be Irvine (and again, never visiting Baker Ranch).

Now if they take the tollroad to / from, different story (as they'd pass Baker Ranch en route to prison and en route back to where they came from), but I would presume most visitors come from the freeway. And while prison breaks happen, I can't think of one time I've seen or read anything major happening from musick and to be frank if a big prison break happened, you'd be worried if you were on the east side of Irvine just as you'd be in Baker Ranch but even then, I presume most of the fear would be muted by fact that you aren't talking about a prison full of murders / violent criminals (I don't think...maybe I'm wrong and their are some violent criminals in their, I don't know).   

 

[Bullsback]

By the way, I probably would have bought in Baker Ranch if not for the jail so I don't back up my talk. Logic (or at least my logic) might be one way but I couldn't justify the price point with the jail their as I felt it limited potential long-term upside. However, I think the community is fantastic and really liked the Toll Brother product and all the community features. If they had new schools their, I probably would have said screw and dealt with the jail downside and moved but the combo of jail and impacts to future upside (and/or potential problems once the community doesn't have the brand new feel) and the fact that I'd have to drive my kids further to school were enough reasons for me personally not to live in BR.

 

[Roger]

You are right about what's being worst - but we are talking about probability of the event actually occurs.  What's the probability of a lanfill leak/explode(?) v.s. the probability of a friend of inmate deciding it's a good idea to take some souvenir along in the neighborhood after the visit?  I think the later bears a much greater chance of happening.

The question is, is that person visiting more likely to head towards foothill and the tollroad or more likely to turn around and go on a jaunt around the marine base / spectrum area on their way back to the fwy? I would hypothesize the spectrum / five points once that is all built out.  All theory and even then chance of anything major is probably relatively remote under most scenarios. And chance of jail break and then murder spree likely as minimal.  And again, if it were to happen, just as likely it would be on the Irvine side vs. Baker Ranch / Foothill side.

when was the last time you heard of lanfill site leaking or explode? and when was the last time you heard an inmate escape from jail?  :-\
I would think that an inmate escaping from jail or visitor decided to do something fun would be the nbd closest to jail...  and which nbd is closest to jail? or are you telling me that they will travel an additional distance and bypassing the nearest nbd they see along the route?  doesn't make any sense to me. 

My point is to get to the jail, they are likely exiting the 405 / 5 fwy and driving through / around the spectrum area and the business park and thus never passing by Baker Ranch (as well as what will eventually be the outside limits of the great park). To get back to where they are going, they will get back on the freeway and thus the neighborhoods they pass on the way to / from visit would probably be more likely to be Irvine (and again, never visiting Baker Ranch).

Now if they take the tollroad to / from, different story (as they'd pass Baker Ranch en route to prison and en route back to where they came from), but I would presume most visitors come from the freeway. And while prison breaks happen, I can't think of one time I've seen or read anything major happening from musick and to be frank if a big prison break happened, you'd be worried if you were on the east side of Irvine just as you'd be in Baker Ranch but even then, I presume most of the fear would be muted by fact that you aren't talking about a prison full of murders / violent criminals (I don't think...maybe I'm wrong and their are some violent criminals in their, I don't know). 

To your point have we heard any leak/explode ever since the landfill by beecanyon activated?  My point earlier is the likelihood on this event happening and the general consensus of how close you are to to jail will affect the resale value on your nbd. 

 

[socal78]

Geesh. I go away for a couple hours to a doctor's appointment and come back to fear that the landfill will explode like *Iho's stomach at a Pie Eating Contest. Sometimes the things I read on T.I. are really amusing.

*No Ihos were harmed in the making of this comment.

 

[Our Gang]

  Some have educational and athletic facilities similar to schools.



http://www.stoptheaca.org/type.html

Oh, gosh! A jail too? What next?

 

[aquabliss]

And while prison breaks happen, I can't think of one time I've seen or read anything major happening from musick   

I'm pretty sure these happen a lot more than we ever hear about or are even publicized.

2012:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/manzo-381881-jail-facility.html
2013:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/inmate-527310-county-escaped.html

Here's the kickers. These were before there was much residential nearby so it probably wasn't suppressed as much.

May 1992:http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-13/local/me-1617_1_musick-jail
Says it was the sixth of the year, and it was only May!

August 1995:http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/james-a-musick-branch-jail
Two men escaped in this incident and that was the 7th escape "incident" that year.

 

[Roger]

And while prison breaks happen, I can't think of one time I've seen or read anything major happening from musick   

I'm pretty sure these happen a lot more than we ever hear about or are even publicized.

2012:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/manzo-381881-jail-facility.html
2013:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/inmate-527310-county-escaped.html

Here's the kickers. These were before there was much residential nearby so it probably wasn't suppressed as much.

May 1992:http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-13/local/me-1617_1_musick-jail
Says it was the sixth of the year, and it was only May!

August 1995:http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/james-a-musick-branch-jail
Two men escaped in this incident and that was the 7th escape "incident" that year.

Forget about it man... someone just has too much time around and decide to to defend a neighborhood who doesn't even live there. :

 

[AW]

After the New York escapees, they headed towards the woods, road less traveled. 
That means br and fhr.  Uh oh.  Haha

 

[aquabliss]

I drove up Alton today past Musick and wow the huge cinder block wall (or maybe building) is going up super fast right along Alton.  I don?t think they would build a 3 Story Wall here so it must be a structure.  Don?t think there will be any hiding this one with withered shrubs. 

I wonder how this will impact Baker Ranch or maybe Altair?

 

[irvinebullhousing]

Yeah, a bit of an eyesore. When it was an empty field, it at least gives me an illusion that it just nothing there. Even though the jail always existed, but rather well hidden. So out of sight was somewhat out of mind. Now the barb wires is even more apparent in front of those gigantic structures.

Give me more reason to pack heat when I am driving around BR, Foothill areas. Although the FBI training center is across the street, might be a good barrier for Altair?s.

FBI recruits are always ready for live target training