Musick jail expansion plan finally moving forward

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Musick jail expansion plan finally moving forward

July 2, 2015 Updated 9:12 p.m.
BY SARAH de CRESCENZO / STAFF WRITER

3,100: Total inmates permitted under 2012 agreement with Lake Forest
1,322: Current beds
756: Current inmates
512: Beds to be added to the James A. Musick Facility jail under Phase 1 expansion plan
384: Beds to be added under Phase 2 expansion plan

Nearly 20 years after proposing to add more inmates to the James A. Musick Facility, the county?s plan to expand the minimum-security jail between Irvine and Lake Forest is moving closer to reality.

Planners are wrapping up the final design phase for the first phase of the project, adding 512 beds. Robert Beaver, who oversees the project for the Orange County Sheriff?s Department, said the search for bids will begin in early 2016. Construction would start later that year.

Design is underway on the subsequent 384-bed phase, which would be joined to the other new part of the jail.

Legal opposition is weakening.

In June, an appeals court handed Irvine another defeat in its longtime fight against the jail?s expansion, ruling unanimously to affirm a trial court?s denial of Irvine?s lawsuit challenging the environmental review done for the planned 512-bed expansion.

Another Irvine lawsuit related to jail expansion is pending. That petition challenges a second phase, which would add 384 beds. A trial court denied the case in August. Irvine has appealed, and the court is expected to address the case by fall.

The expansion plan approved in the 1990s allowed about 7,500 inmates at the jail, which today houses 750.

Lake Forest joined with Irvine in 2000 to sue over the plans, and although the lawsuit was upheld by a trial court, it later was shot down by an appeals court. However, a lack of funds meant that the project never went forward.

In 2012, Lake Forest and the county signed an agreement governing the terms of the expansion.

The sheriff promised to limit the jail?s expansion to 3,100, rather than the previously approved total of more than 7,500.

For the first time, medium-security prisoners may be housed there, although that hasn?t yet happened, said Carlo Tomaino, assistant to Lake Forest?s city manager. The city gets daily reports from the Sheriff?s Department on the number of inmates and their classification, he added.

Even longtime expansion opponent Jim Gardner, a Lake Forest councilman who was elected in 2014, is applauding the latest design. The department recently eliminated four two-person cells from the layout in favor of another eight-person, dormitory-style housing pod, the form of housing in which inmates will live.

That will make residents safer, Gardner said, because the two-person cells would have housed high-risk inmates. However, Beaver, director of research and development for the Sheriff?s Department, said the jail won?t and was never planned to house maximum-security inmates.

Gardner has said the city?s 2012 agreement with the Sheriff?s Department could allow maximum-security prisoners ? but only in ?unusual circumstances.? Under the memorandum, high-risk inmates could be housed there in extreme cases, such as during a jail riot, terrorist attack or natural disaster. They would have to be relocated within a week.

Beaver, however, said the language was necessary in case of extraordinary circumstances.

?Let?s say another jail collapses in an earthquake,? he said. ?(The sheriff) has to do what she has to do to detain inmates.?

Irvine?s remaining legal challenge, filed in 2014, is the latest in a string of such objections. The city in 2012 challenged the county?s application for state funds for expansion, stating that another full environmental report was needed instead of the supplemental report the county had submitted. An appeals court eventually rejected that argument.

A 2013 lawsuit challenged the supplemental report itself. In June, an appeals court shot down the city?s reasoning.

Contact the writer: 714-796-2221 or sdecrescenzo@ocregister.com
 
Medium security prisons hold inmates who have commited less serious crimes, such as minor assaults and small thefts. The inmates in medium security prisons are generally less dangerous than those in maximum security prisons. Medium security prisons may be surrounded by fences with guard towers. Some have educational and athletic facilities similar to schools.

Minimum security or open prisons are the least restrictive prisons. Inmates of minimum security prisons are not considered dangerous and are unlikely to flee prison. Many of these inmates were convicted of such nonviolent crimes as business theft, forgery, obstruction of justice and perjury. They live in comfortable rooms and usually may move about within the prison as they please. Minimum security prisons range from large institutions to small farm or forestry camps.

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WTTCHMN said:
Musick jail expansion plan finally moving forward

July 2, 2015 Updated 9:12 p.m.
BY SARAH de CRESCENZO / STAFF WRITER

3,100: Total inmates permitted under 2012 agreement with Lake Forest
1,322: Current beds
756: Current inmates
512: Beds to be added to the James A. Musick Facility jail under Phase 1 expansion plan
384: Beds to be added under Phase 2 expansion plan

Nearly 20 years after proposing to add more inmates to the James A. Musick Facility, the county?s plan to expand the minimum-security jail between Irvine and Lake Forest is moving closer to reality.

Planners are wrapping up the final design phase for the first phase of the project, adding 512 beds. Robert Beaver, who oversees the project for the Orange County Sheriff?s Department, said the search for bids will begin in early 2016. Construction would start later that year.

Design is underway on the subsequent 384-bed phase, which would be joined to the other new part of the jail.

Legal opposition is weakening.

In June, an appeals court handed Irvine another defeat in its longtime fight against the jail?s expansion, ruling unanimously to affirm a trial court?s denial of Irvine?s lawsuit challenging the environmental review done for the planned 512-bed expansion.

Another Irvine lawsuit related to jail expansion is pending. That petition challenges a second phase, which would add 384 beds. A trial court denied the case in August. Irvine has appealed, and the court is expected to address the case by fall.

The expansion plan approved in the 1990s allowed about 7,500 inmates at the jail, which today houses 750.

Lake Forest joined with Irvine in 2000 to sue over the plans, and although the lawsuit was upheld by a trial court, it later was shot down by an appeals court. However, a lack of funds meant that the project never went forward.

In 2012, Lake Forest and the county signed an agreement governing the terms of the expansion.

The sheriff promised to limit the jail?s expansion to 3,100, rather than the previously approved total of more than 7,500.

For the first time, medium-security prisoners may be housed there, although that hasn?t yet happened, said Carlo Tomaino, assistant to Lake Forest?s city manager. The city gets daily reports from the Sheriff?s Department on the number of inmates and their classification, he added.

Even longtime expansion opponent Jim Gardner, a Lake Forest councilman who was elected in 2014, is applauding the latest design. The department recently eliminated four two-person cells from the layout in favor of another eight-person, dormitory-style housing pod, the form of housing in which inmates will live.

That will make residents safer, Gardner said, because the two-person cells would have housed high-risk inmates. However, Beaver, director of research and development for the Sheriff?s Department, said the jail won?t and was never planned to house maximum-security inmates.

Gardner has said the city?s 2012 agreement with the Sheriff?s Department could allow maximum-security prisoners ? but only in ?unusual circumstances.? Under the memorandum, high-risk inmates could be housed there in extreme cases, such as during a jail riot, terrorist attack or natural disaster. They would have to be relocated within a week.

Beaver, however, said the language was necessary in case of extraordinary circumstances.

?Let?s say another jail collapses in an earthquake,? he said. ?(The sheriff) has to do what she has to do to detain inmates.?

Irvine?s remaining legal challenge, filed in 2014, is the latest in a string of such objections. The city in 2012 challenged the county?s application for state funds for expansion, stating that another full environmental report was needed instead of the supplemental report the county had submitted. An appeals court eventually rejected that argument.

A 2013 lawsuit challenged the supplemental report itself. In June, an appeals court shot down the city?s reasoning.

Contact the writer: 714-796-2221 or sdecrescenzo@ocregister.com
If BR already priced in with the expansion in mind then they should be put in the wtf asking price thread.
 
My guess around 85% of buyer at  BR do not care about Jail as an issue?
Phase 1 already 90% of home sold and Phase 2 just started with full swing because of view lots and lot of people interested in Phase 3 other side of Alton Rd.
 
i wonder if some of the folks living there even know that the jail exists, it's very non discreet
 
Jail vs. Giant landfill visible from space vs. Ghost Cemetery vs. Toxic Plume vs. next to Santa Ana vs. Great Wall of Jamboree

Name that neighborhood!

The only way to avoid it all is to be South of 405 and $3mil+/Toll Bro emp.
 
I wonder who will come up with this kind of argument thinking jail is better then any of those mentioned, my guess will be people from FR BR?  >:D
 
AW said:
i wonder if some of the folks living there even know that the jail exists, it's very non discreet
Given how terrible the jail looks and how no one has done anything to cover it up when you drive by it to get to Baker Ranch, I think it would be hard to miss. It  blows my mind that Toll / Shea didn't spend a lot of money building a high nice brick wall and put in lots of nice high trees to block it out and ensure that when you take Alton off the FWY to get to Baker that you don't have those eye sores that exist.
 
Roger said:
I wonder who will come up with this kind of argument thinking jail is better then any of those mentioned, my guess will be people from FR?  >:D
Realistically, I would probably say in terms of worse case scenario, landfill would probably have worse case issue. Say something happens and the stink just explodes on everyone or huge leaks and major pollution and battery stuff into land or whatever.  In terms of jail, most likely biggest issue isn't from inmates, it is from friends visiting and then deciding they are going to go vandalize or commit crimes in the area. 

I still think Five Points would do something to put a kabosh on it cause BR isn't that much farther (big picture wise) from a lot of the homes in the great park and to be frank, it is closer to the freeway and exit points.
 
You are right about what's being worst - but we are talking about probability of the event actually occurs.  What's the probability of a lanfill leak/explode(?) v.s. the probability of a friend of inmate deciding it's a good idea to take some souvenir along in the neighborhood after the visit?  I think the later bears a much greater chance of happening.
 
Roger said:
I wonder who will come up with this kind of argument thinking jail is better then any of those mentioned, my guess will be people from FR?  >:D

Either it's a typo or you're getting the neighborhoods confused. FR isn't by Irvine's jail. BR is. Distance-wise, that would be like saying people from Oak Creek think the jail is better.
 
Roger said:
I wonder who will come up with this kind of argument thinking jail is better then any of those mentioned, my guess will be people from FR BR?  >:D
There fixed it.
 
Roger said:
You are right about what's being worst - but we are talking about probability of the event actually occurs.  What's the probability of a lanfill leak/explode(?) v.s. the probability of a friend of inmate deciding it's a good idea to take some souvenir along in the neighborhood after the visit?  I think the later bears a much greater chance of happening.
The question is, is that person visiting more likely to head towards foothill and the tollroad or more likely to turn around and go on a jaunt around the marine base / spectrum area on their way back to the fwy? I would hypothesize the spectrum / five points once that is all built out.  All theory and even then chance of anything major is probably relatively remote under most scenarios. And chance of jail break and then murder spree likely as minimal.  And again, if it were to happen, just as likely it would be on the Irvine side vs. Baker Ranch / Foothill side. 
 
Bullsback said:
Roger said:
You are right about what's being worst - but we are talking about probability of the event actually occurs.  What's the probability of a lanfill leak/explode(?) v.s. the probability of a friend of inmate deciding it's a good idea to take some souvenir along in the neighborhood after the visit?  I think the later bears a much greater chance of happening.
The question is, is that person visiting more likely to head towards foothill and the tollroad or more likely to turn around and go on a jaunt around the marine base / spectrum area on their way back to the fwy? I would hypothesize the spectrum / five points once that is all built out.  All theory and even then chance of anything major is probably relatively remote under most scenarios. And chance of jail break and then murder spree likely as minimal.  And again, if it were to happen, just as likely it would be on the Irvine side vs. Baker Ranch / Foothill side.
when was the last time you heard of lanfill site leaking or explode? and when was the last time you heard an inmate escape from jail?  :-\
I would think that an inmate escaping from jail or visitor decided to do something fun would be the nbd closest to jail...  and which nbd is closest to jail? or are you telling me that they will travel an additional distance and bypassing the nearest nbd they see along the route?  doesn't make any sense to me.  :o
 
I think we can all agree the perception is much worse than the reality, but let's face it people pay for perception. 

Like if your neighbor paints their house florescent pink.  It's probably not going to have much an effect on your everyday life, but who wants to walk out of there house and see that, or drive past it on the way home. 

And unfortunately for your sake, people may not want to purchase your home because of the same reasons.
 
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