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Yes on and gun control and tariffs (which quite a few Dems agree with). But absolutely not on taxes:
You clearly are uninformed. The Republican primary in Alabama had three candidates running:
1. Luther Strange
2. Roy Moore
3. Mo Brooks
Mo Brooks was the tea party conservative running in the race, and Mitch McConnell was so afraid of him winning that he poured $8 million into the primary to defeat him, which worked. The assumption by McConnell was that the voters in Alabama would never nominate Roy Moore because his negatives with Republicans in polling were too high. Therefore, he spent no money on opposing Roy Moore.
Well, the problem with Luther Strange is that he was appointed by a governor facing a corruption scandal, and he was Mitch McConnell's golden boy in the race. Alabamians didn't like a DC swamp creature like McConnell interfering in their state politics, so they nominated Roy Moore as a big "F You!" to McConnell. Roy Moore's entire career has been devoted to turning the US into a Christian theocracy. He's not Trumpian in any sense of the word, which is why Trump endorsed Luther Strange in the runoff election.
If Mo Brooks had been facing Luther Strange, I suspect Trump would have endorsed him instead. Of course, once Roy Moore became the (R) candidate, Trump endorsed him over the Democrat, but it wasn't who he wanted to see in that seat.
Here is more if you are interested:
Mitch McConnell Is The Reason Doug Jones Is A Senatorhttp://thefederalist.com/2017/12/12/mitch-mcconnell-is-the-reason-doug-jones-is-a-senator/
Steel union looks to flip Pennsylvania's 18th District
Trump won in this district in part because of his tough talk on trade. The 18th is the heart of steel country where nearly everyone knows someone who worked in the industry.
But it doesn't appear from speaking with union leaders and members here that Trump's popular move will necessarily translate to increased support for his chosen candidate, Saccone.
Tim Waters, the political director for the United Steelworkers Union, "We applaud the President for what he did and for drawing a line in the sand. It's what he said he was going to do and it needs to be done. This is not a political issue."
The steelworkers union has been joined by members from the teachers, hotel, and postal workers unions in getting out the vote for Lamb. Together they have 80,000 union members in the 18th District, which translates to that many potential voters.
Soon after Lamb announced his candidacy, he met with labor unions and visited local steel mills and processing facilities. Lamb opposes so-called "right-to-work" laws, which prevent unions from mandating dues payments from members they represent.
"Rick Saccone was endorsed wholeheartedly by the right-to-work committee and would probably do away with unions if he could," Waters said.
Someone who still has sway in southwest Pennsylvania -- Donald Trump. He drew a packed crowd to his rally with Saccone on Saturday, with some supporters having to be turned away.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/steel-workers-pa-18/index.html
?Conor Lamb better reflected voters? health-care views, an exit poll found.
Republicans? efforts to gut Obamacare may have backfired on them in Pennsylvania, where Democrat Conor Lamb is hanging on to a thin lead in the special election for a U.S. House seat.
One apparent factor for Lamb?s performance in the district that President Donald Trump carried by 20 points in 2016 was the former marine?s call to make the 2010 law better, not repeal it. That?s what Lamb?s GOP opponent Rick Saccone wants.
But throwing out the law isn?t what the western Pennsylvania district?s voters want, according to a survey released Wednesday by Public Policy Polling. Overall, 44% of voters said they supported Obamacare ? formally known as the Affordable Care Act ? while 42% oppose it. And voters disapproved of the GOP efforts to repeal Obamacare by 14 points.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/926A95F4-278F-11E8-90A1-5769A4464477
Yes...so similar:
I agree that Rick Saccone embraced Trumpian politics much more than Roy Moore did, but the key to Trump's win in Pennsylvania and other rust belt states was to emphasize protecting working class jobs. This was something Saccone failed to do adequately. Right-to-work is code for busting unions and lowering workers' wages.
Nah Trump won in 2016 based upon false hopes and promise. A year later...people see through it.
morekaos
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I see that. Most of those guys are tired, useless, old guard. Unwilling to fight anymore. They need to be replaced. Interestingly if the Dems run anyone they will be moving significantly to the right. Look at Lamb, if you took a gander at his platform you would have thought he was a Repub. He is so right on gun control, tariffs, regulation and taxes he could have been endorsed by Trump. He even said he looked forward to working WITH Trump. If thats what the Dems have to do to win, I'm all for it, maybe they have seen the light.
Irvinecommuter
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morekaos said:
Yes on and gun control and tariffs (which quite a few Dems agree with). But absolutely not on taxes:
http://wesa.fm/post/lamb-and-saccone-clash-over-tax-cuts-not-guns-first-debate
Liar Loan
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eyephone said:
You clearly are uninformed. The Republican primary in Alabama had three candidates running:
1. Luther Strange
2. Roy Moore
3. Mo Brooks
Mo Brooks was the tea party conservative running in the race, and Mitch McConnell was so afraid of him winning that he poured $8 million into the primary to defeat him, which worked. The assumption by McConnell was that the voters in Alabama would never nominate Roy Moore because his negatives with Republicans in polling were too high. Therefore, he spent no money on opposing Roy Moore.
Well, the problem with Luther Strange is that he was appointed by a governor facing a corruption scandal, and he was Mitch McConnell's golden boy in the race. Alabamians didn't like a DC swamp creature like McConnell interfering in their state politics, so they nominated Roy Moore as a big "F You!" to McConnell. Roy Moore's entire career has been devoted to turning the US into a Christian theocracy. He's not Trumpian in any sense of the word, which is why Trump endorsed Luther Strange in the runoff election.
If Mo Brooks had been facing Luther Strange, I suspect Trump would have endorsed him instead. Of course, once Roy Moore became the (R) candidate, Trump endorsed him over the Democrat, but it wasn't who he wanted to see in that seat.
Here is more if you are interested:
Mitch McConnell Is The Reason Doug Jones Is A Senatorhttp://thefederalist.com/2017/12/12/mitch-mcconnell-is-the-reason-doug-jones-is-a-senator/
Liar Loan
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eyephone said:
Steel union looks to flip Pennsylvania's 18th District
Trump won in this district in part because of his tough talk on trade. The 18th is the heart of steel country where nearly everyone knows someone who worked in the industry.
But it doesn't appear from speaking with union leaders and members here that Trump's popular move will necessarily translate to increased support for his chosen candidate, Saccone.
Tim Waters, the political director for the United Steelworkers Union, "We applaud the President for what he did and for drawing a line in the sand. It's what he said he was going to do and it needs to be done. This is not a political issue."
The steelworkers union has been joined by members from the teachers, hotel, and postal workers unions in getting out the vote for Lamb. Together they have 80,000 union members in the 18th District, which translates to that many potential voters.
Soon after Lamb announced his candidacy, he met with labor unions and visited local steel mills and processing facilities. Lamb opposes so-called "right-to-work" laws, which prevent unions from mandating dues payments from members they represent.
"Rick Saccone was endorsed wholeheartedly by the right-to-work committee and would probably do away with unions if he could," Waters said.
Someone who still has sway in southwest Pennsylvania -- Donald Trump. He drew a packed crowd to his rally with Saccone on Saturday, with some supporters having to be turned away.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/steel-workers-pa-18/index.html
Liar Loan
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Both Lamb and Saccone were nearly identical on a host of issues. The one major area of disagreement was Lamb unequivocally supports unions and Saccone says one thing but does another. That is a major break from Trump's agenda that has mostly helped unions. It's almost as if PA-18 wanted to elect Saccone, but just could not get over his anti-union views. Bummer.
Liar Loan said:
?Conor Lamb better reflected voters? health-care views, an exit poll found.
Republicans? efforts to gut Obamacare may have backfired on them in Pennsylvania, where Democrat Conor Lamb is hanging on to a thin lead in the special election for a U.S. House seat.
One apparent factor for Lamb?s performance in the district that President Donald Trump carried by 20 points in 2016 was the former marine?s call to make the 2010 law better, not repeal it. That?s what Lamb?s GOP opponent Rick Saccone wants.
But throwing out the law isn?t what the western Pennsylvania district?s voters want, according to a survey released Wednesday by Public Policy Polling. Overall, 44% of voters said they supported Obamacare ? formally known as the Affordable Care Act ? while 42% oppose it. And voters disapproved of the GOP efforts to repeal Obamacare by 14 points.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/926A95F4-278F-11E8-90A1-5769A4464477
Irvinecommuter
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Liar Loan said:
Yes...so similar:
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/po...eel-tariffs-negative-ads/stories/201803030107
Liar Loan
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fortune11 said:
I agree that Rick Saccone embraced Trumpian politics much more than Roy Moore did, but the key to Trump's win in Pennsylvania and other rust belt states was to emphasize protecting working class jobs. This was something Saccone failed to do adequately. Right-to-work is code for busting unions and lowering workers' wages.
Irvinecommuter
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Liar Loan said:
Nah Trump won in 2016 based upon false hopes and promise. A year later...people see through it.