McCain unsure of how many houses he owns

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Nude, you may find this difficult to believe, but I have received PMs from people here who enjoy reading my political opinions.



Anyone who claims to be offended by the commentary I make about their candidate through the way I spell his name doesn't get much sympathy from me. I feel that their arguments are so weak that they are just grasping for any straws they hope they can get.



I really find the whole thing quite amusing.
 
This morning on CNBC, Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez was interviewed on presidential politics, and she defended Senator Obama's thin experience resume with comparisons to President Lincoln, also from Illinois, and also with a pretty thin resume in DC politics. Of course, Senator Obama also used Springfield, Illinois as the backdrop for the VP announcement this weekend. I can hear the Jay Leno joke now... Senator McCain says, "Senator Obama, I knew Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Abraham Lincoln." (Credit Senator Lloyd Bentsen in 1988 VP debate with Senator Dan Quayle.)
 
Just dropping in long enough to point out that <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200708280009">arugula is grown in, and is available for purchase,</a> in Iowa. <a href="http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/index.html">There is no Whole Foods in Iowa</a>, but they do have stores in Indiana, Kentucky, and Kansas, among others, so they are not purely a coastal phenom.



Please resume normal bickering.
 
obama eats arugula salads, probably the kind with those candied walnuts in them and imported cheese. real americans eat iceberg, preferably with a 2 to 1 ratio of ranch to lettuce.



then again, john mccain and his dandy wife own so many homes that he lost count. real americans should be one missed payment away from losing their only home.



this is going to be a very difficult choice. quite the dilemma!
 
So then not only is the price of arugula outrageous these days, but the price of gas for the trip to the Whole Foods in Kansas is really a show stopper...
 
I have yet to figure out what the big freakin' deal is.



I bought arugula in a Ralphs in a podunk farming town in Ca last week.



McCain was afraid of giving a wrong answer, so he said he wasn't sure on the condos.



My view is that all politians at the level of running for President have money. All of them have more money and priviledge than the average American. So what?



Clinton wasn't rich? Oh. I had no idea. Does it matter? Not really. Did he have way more money and priviledge than me? Likely.



What's wrong with Bambi?



Anybody saying the mods should ban him/her for doing something trivial is way lamer than anything I have heard the candidates say. <em>Eye roll.</em>



I have 1242 MLPs.
 
McCain is entitled to have as many homes as he can afford. After all let's not forget that ?This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years ? in prison.? [Brian Rogers, McCain surrogate]. At least his fortune is "trickling down" by the <a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=E6FEBDAC-18FE-70B2-A8C7B82668CDF377">$273,000</a> he drops each year on his household employees. He truly understands the plight of the average American more than any Arugula eating librul. I mean, don't you hate it when your butler doesn't polish your $500 shoes to a perfect shine? How about when the cook doesn't follow the old family recipe to perfection and screws up the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041502881.html">Ahi Tuna with Napa Cabbage Slaw</a>? Sheesh, give the guy a break. He even went as far as to volunteer Cindy to compete for <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/cindy-mccain-as.html">Miss Buffalo Chip</a>.
 
Green Cactus, you seem to know a lot about McCain's houses. Do you know if Cindy subsidized the purchase of any of the houses with help of convicted felons? Or do you thing that doing so would be a boneheaded move?
 
[quote author="FairEconomist" date=1219529541]I have never known anybody - including 2 people worth over 100 million dollars - who didn't know how many houses they owned. You have to really not *care* to not know. It's very bad for McCain because it shows he's so rich he doesn't care about a million-dollar house and that's very alien to most Americans. The other problem is that it's making people scrutinize his personal life and so they realize exactly how elite he is. They'll also look at how he got his money - ditching his injured wife and their children to marry an heiress - and that doesn't reflect well on him either.



It also opens him to attack on his economic policies. Until recently, all his economic proposals to address unemployment, the housing crisis, etc. were for huge tax cuts which will net him and his wife millions of dollars. He's (finally!) added a few proposals that won't net him millions at the expense of the federal government but the main thrust of his approach makes himself even richer. That's not what voters want - especially not after an acid demonstration of how little he actually *needs* more money.</blockquote>


I don't think that he doesn't "care" not to know. As Nude said, there are undoubtedly many investment properties, if he had said 8 and it was really 9 or 7 he would be under more heat than he is by saying what he said. There are surely properties that are soley in her or her family's name, as well as his and hers. If he missed one that his name was on, the press would've gone way more nuts.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1219718402]Green Cactus, you seem to know a lot about McCain's houses. Do you know if Cindy subsidized the purchase of any of the houses with help of convicted felons? Or do you thing that doing so would be a boneheaded move?</blockquote>


I believe Cindy was too busy at that time <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/20/revealed.mccain.media/">"diverting for her own personal use"</a> (aka stealing) Percocet and Vicodin from her own nonprofit medical relief organization. Although had she been on <a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com">Oxytocin</a> she would be ranting about <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200808220019?f=s_search">shady real-estate deals</a>.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1219676672][quote author="graphrix" date=1219544622]



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See how I responded to that? At least I took a shot at how many, and 1250 is a hell of a lot more than 7 or 8. I said the media blew it but blew it in the wrong way. It was how he answered, not what he answered. Like stepping_up said, it is the out of touch and arrogant responses like that that remind me of Bush I, and it reminds me of why he lost in 92. It is eerie to be honest.</blockquote>
And yet, you are apparently willing to ignore Obama's "?Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula?? comment in Iowa, a state that neither has a Whole Foods store nor a single acre of arugula. Or his infamous "And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" line, describing his take on the people of Pennsylvania to a crowd in Marin County.



You take issue with his answer, but it wasn't exactly a normal question asked of a candidate. You had time to think about your answer before you replied, but had I asked it in person I doubt you would have been so eloquent. My point is that McCain not knowing the answer might have a perfectly normal explanation, in the context of his life, but seems odd to anyone who doesn't have that lifestyle. Just as I am sure Obama eating arugula that he buys from Whole Foods seems odd to an Iowa corn farmer, but seems completely normal to someone like you. Trying to paint him as arrogant based on this one comment is a bit of a stretch though, especially when compared to Obama. His recent choice of Biden is just another example of this; he's assumed he can win the election without paying more than lip service to Hillary and her supporters. If you perceive arrogance in John McCain's answer but not in Obama's remarks and decisions, you need to examine your own bias.</blockquote>


Nude - First, the only reason I had time to think about my answer is because I went to bed. Look at the time, you know I did. I had a feeling you would come back with a comment along those lines, so even after I typed that response I already knew how I would answer. I knew everything I typed right off the top of my head, and had I still been awake at the time I would have given the same answer, maybe a little less coherent.



Second, I never once said that it wasn't strange that Obama mentions the price arugula in Iowa, nor have I defended him as not being arrogant either. Please, if I have, I would like to know where I have typed that because I would prefer to edit it. You of all people should know that I am more open minded than that, and I don't appreciate opinions being put into my mouth so to speak, that I have never clearly made.



I will say I find it rather funny and somewhat ignorant that people don't know what arugula is, that it is grown in Iowa, or that there is a Whole Foods in near by states that would need the arugula. And WTF is the big deal any way? Arugula or homes, both are stupid points and it annoys the hell out of me that the media cares and depending on your party it is the end of the world what ever the answer is. Sorry, but it is pathetic and lame to bring either homes or arugula up, both are grasping for straws. Why don't we talk about real issues like the economy? Which was the point of the questions, but both answers sucked a$$.



The other funny thing is, I don't think Cayci's point came across as clearly as it should: They are all, Republican or Democrat, rich and arrogant bastards, and which rich and arrogant bastard becomes president will be decided in November.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1219723752][quote author="WINEX" date=1219718402]Green Cactus, you seem to know a lot about McCain's houses. Do you know if Cindy subsidized the purchase of any of the houses with help of convicted felons? Or do you thing that doing so would be a boneheaded move?</blockquote>


I believe Cindy was too busy at that time <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/20/revealed.mccain.media/">"diverting for her own personal use"</a> (aka stealing) Percocet and Vicodin from her own nonprofit medical relief organization. Although had she been on <a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com">Oxytocin</a> she would be ranting about <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200808220019?f=s_search">shady real-estate deals</a>.</blockquote>


MediaMatters.org?



LOL!



Yea, sure. Who could possibly believe that there was anything shady about a person (Tony Rezko) convicted of corruption for selling influence based on connections to the Governor of Illinois paying for part of Obama's $1.6 million dollar mansion? I'm sure that it's purely a coincidence that Obama helped Rezko get $14 million in government funds for the construction of apartment buildings. Surely Rezko did the deal with Obama simply because he supports "change". (What else does Obama stand for?) The $14 million of taxpayer money that Obama got Rezko had nothing to do with Rezko helping Obama buy a house.



I mean if an unbiased organization like MediaMatters.org ( Fromhttp://mediamatters.org/about_us/Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.) can't find anything wrong with a deal like that, how could there be anything wrong with it?



By the way, I hate to change the subject away from the wife of a candidate using drugs, but what do you think about Obama's drug usage?
 
I don't care about argula and I don't care about houses;

I do care about issues and whether or not the candidates

really mean what they are for and against and whether or

not they are likely to get said issues into actual legislation.



I mean the house thing is weird, but so what?



Anybody who actually wants to be prez has got to be somewhat

weird, and especially going into the financial mess that will

greet them about one minute after they get sworn in.



I read that some newsie asked Churchill have many airplanes the

RAF had and he said 352 (or whatever), and after they left an

aide asked him if he really knew whether they really had that

many and he said certainly not. Nowadays you can't get away

with that. And, the number of planes the RAF had was actually

relevant to something at the time. I wonder if Churchill knew how

many houses he had?



Not that either of these guys deserves to be mentioned in the

same breath as Churchill.



By the way, the lobbyists were really feasting the dems; and

will probably feast the reps.



Same old, same old.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1219733025] By the way, I hate to change the subject away from the wife of a candidate using drugs, but what do you think about Obama's drug usage?</blockquote>


One was a stupid kid, the other one was a mother raising four children.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1219746424][quote author="WINEX" date=1219733025] By the way, I hate to change the subject away from the wife of a candidate using drugs, but what do you think about Obama's drug usage?</blockquote>


One was a stupid kid, the other one was a mother raising four children.</blockquote>


One is running for President, the other isn't. But you do have to wonder if Obama's drug usage during developmental stages could be behind the difficulties he has formulating coherent thoughts.



Also, I'll take silence on the Rezko incidents and concurrence that Obama is just another dirty politician.
 
[quote author="BMP 309" date=1219721130]

I don't think that he doesn't "care" not to know. As Nude said, there are undoubtedly many investment properties, if he had said 8 and it was really 9 or 7 he would be under more heat than he is by saying what he said. There are surely properties that are soley in her or her family's name, as well as his and hers. If he missed one that his name was on, the press would've gone way more nuts.</blockquote>


Actually none of the ones in question are investment properties. If they actually have any of those and it comes out he'll look even worse. The real reason is that he has so many properties that it's actually a philosophical question how many homes he owns (is the Sedona estate one or four? The doubled Phoenix penthouse one or two? Does a property his daughter occupies count? What about the beachhouse he doesn't bother to use?) To have so much property is the ultimate for elite and out of touch.
 
[quote author="FairEconomist" date=1219753743][quote author="BMP 309" date=1219721130]

I don't think that he doesn't "care" not to know. As Nude said, there are undoubtedly many investment properties, if he had said 8 and it was really 9 or 7 he would be under more heat than he is by saying what he said. There are surely properties that are soley in her or her family's name, as well as his and hers. If he missed one that his name was on, the press would've gone way more nuts.</blockquote>


Actually none of the ones in question are investment properties. If they actually have any of those and it comes out he'll look even worse. The real reason is that he has so many properties that it's actually a philosophical question how many homes he owns (is the Sedona estate one or four? The doubled Phoenix penthouse one or two? Does a property his daughter occupies count? What about the beachhouse he doesn't bother to use?) To have so much property is the ultimate for elite and out of touch.</blockquote>


Fair Point
 
just because one brother is famous why should he be responsible for some half brother he's met once on another continent.
 
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