LOL. In some ways, that's what keeps this board alive. Mostly from people who don't live in Irvine trying to convince everyone that Irvine buyers are dumb
Masks?
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If we don't argue about this, then this board would be dead, so be assured that the readers are glad you got sucked into it.
It's like tucker c reporting hyperbolic shit to get that ad money.
I didn't start with the recent goalpost moving.
Someone comes in and provides "evidence" of the ineffectiveness of masks. I explained in simple terms why masking was mandated because of the unknowns of a new virus that was infecting, severely affecting and killing rising numbers of people.
Then someone said... other viruses/flus have been doing that before... then I asked for a comparison of numbers of those others vs Covid because we all know it's not the same. Then they shifted to what about the numbers now. Which is irrelevant because we were talking about when these mandates were created. Then it got shifted to not being able to use Google and how people don't like anything "mandated" for them so these type of discussions are "futile". To which I brought up the issue of abortion because that's a similar topic where people don't like being mandated to do things but ironically... those who are pro "choice" for one issue are pro "life" on the other... which is very confusing to me.
So for people to come into this thread and constantly say why masking was wrong... who is really trying to "control" the narrative here?
And I'm not saying they can't... but if they are going to start making accusations/assumptions... then they should be able handle the resulting discourse.
I don't understand how things get political... it does not make sense to me which is why I try to rely on data and experience and try to take all sides into account.
Pointless indeed, as in your posts.
Put on your thinking cap for just 2 seconds, excess carbon dioxide due to masks? All those wearing masks even prior to Covid in the medical field all are at risks and dead?
Just no common sense for some people…
More Mask Hysteria
As summer turns to fall, the maskaholics are attempting a comeback.
Randomized controlled trials are the gold standard of medical research, and Cochrane reviews are the gold standard for reviewing such trials. A recent Cochrane review found, “Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness”—or “to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2”—“compared to not wearing masks.” Moreover, “The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference.” Stating things even more plainly, the review’s lead author, Oxford’s Tom Jefferson, said of masks in a subsequent interview with Australian investigative journalist Maryanne Demasi, “There is just no evidence that they make any difference. Full stop.”
https://www.city-journal.org/article/more-mask-hysteria
I just (a couple hours ago) listened to a podcast type conversation about the financial crisis we are in, where one guy (smart) was advising to get away from blue America and then the other guy (also smart) tried to bait him into all sorts of other issues (abortion, etc).
someguy
Active member
I wish we as a country would do this less to each other and I wish it wouldn't get the number of eyeballs and sometimes visceral reactions that it gets. I'm definitely guilty of getting sucked into these types of discussions as evidenced by my previous posts, so I include myself in this wish to do better to my friends, neighbors, internet strangers, and fellow citizens. We can do great things if we are united, but it seems we're letting ourselves fracture into oppositional groups at every turn.
zubs
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Yes.LOL. In some ways, that's what keeps this board alive. Mostly from people who don't live in Irvine trying to convince everyone that Irvine buyers are dumb
If we don't argue about this, then this board would be dead, so be assured that the readers are glad you got sucked into it.
It's like tucker c reporting hyperbolic shit to get that ad money.
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irvinehomeowner
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Let's be fair here @zovall .
I didn't start with the recent goalpost moving.
Someone comes in and provides "evidence" of the ineffectiveness of masks. I explained in simple terms why masking was mandated because of the unknowns of a new virus that was infecting, severely affecting and killing rising numbers of people.
Then someone said... other viruses/flus have been doing that before... then I asked for a comparison of numbers of those others vs Covid because we all know it's not the same. Then they shifted to what about the numbers now. Which is irrelevant because we were talking about when these mandates were created. Then it got shifted to not being able to use Google and how people don't like anything "mandated" for them so these type of discussions are "futile". To which I brought up the issue of abortion because that's a similar topic where people don't like being mandated to do things but ironically... those who are pro "choice" for one issue are pro "life" on the other... which is very confusing to me.
So for people to come into this thread and constantly say why masking was wrong... who is really trying to "control" the narrative here?
And I'm not saying they can't... but if they are going to start making accusations/assumptions... then they should be able handle the resulting discourse.
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
I totally agree with this.
I don't understand how things get political... it does not make sense to me which is why I try to rely on data and experience and try to take all sides into account.
morekaos
Well-known member
Confirming what we were screaming 2 -3 years ago. Not just pointless but harmful…but if you want to keep wearing them well…you be you…
The Harm Caused by Masks
A new study suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers can have major health consequences.
Evidence continues to mount that mask mandates were perhaps the worst public-health intervention in modern American history. While concluding that wearing masks “probably makes little or no difference” in preventing the spread of viruses, a recent Cochrane review also emphasized that “more attention should be paid to describing and quantifying the harms” that may come from wearing masks. A new study from Germany does just that, and it suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers may have substantial ill-effects on their health—and, in the case of pregnant women, their unborn children’s.
In light of all this, it seems indefensible to mandate—or even to advise—the wearing of masks, especially among the young. The authors write, “Keeping in mind the weak antiviral mask efficacy, the general trend of forcing mask mandates even for the vulnerable subgroups is not based on sound scientific evidence and not in line with the obligation in particular to protect born or unborn children from potential harmful influences.”
Public-health officials—and the executive-branch leaders who credulously listened to them—ignored centuries of Western norms, the best medical evidence, and common sense, deciding that their own novel and evidence-free course was the one that all of society should be forced to follow. We should never again indulge such an obvious and destructive misstep.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-harm-caused-by-masks
The Harm Caused by Masks
A new study suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers can have major health consequences.
Evidence continues to mount that mask mandates were perhaps the worst public-health intervention in modern American history. While concluding that wearing masks “probably makes little or no difference” in preventing the spread of viruses, a recent Cochrane review also emphasized that “more attention should be paid to describing and quantifying the harms” that may come from wearing masks. A new study from Germany does just that, and it suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers may have substantial ill-effects on their health—and, in the case of pregnant women, their unborn children’s.
In light of all this, it seems indefensible to mandate—or even to advise—the wearing of masks, especially among the young. The authors write, “Keeping in mind the weak antiviral mask efficacy, the general trend of forcing mask mandates even for the vulnerable subgroups is not based on sound scientific evidence and not in line with the obligation in particular to protect born or unborn children from potential harmful influences.”
Public-health officials—and the executive-branch leaders who credulously listened to them—ignored centuries of Western norms, the best medical evidence, and common sense, deciding that their own novel and evidence-free course was the one that all of society should be forced to follow. We should never again indulge such an obvious and destructive misstep.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-harm-caused-by-masks
qwerty
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the beginning of Covid was the first time the US cared about old people in this country (wear a mask for your grandparents and mine, etc). Hopefully everyone is still caring for the old folks in their lives as diligently now as they were when they were pushing mask wearing.
Lol.Confirming what we were screaming 2 -3 years ago. Not just pointless but harmful…but if you want to keep wearing them well…you be you…
The Harm Caused by Masks
A new study suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers can have major health consequences.
Evidence continues to mount that mask mandates were perhaps the worst public-health intervention in modern American history. While concluding that wearing masks “probably makes little or no difference” in preventing the spread of viruses, a recent Cochrane review also emphasized that “more attention should be paid to describing and quantifying the harms” that may come from wearing masks. A new study from Germany does just that, and it suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers may have substantial ill-effects on their health—and, in the case of pregnant women, their unborn children’s.
In light of all this, it seems indefensible to mandate—or even to advise—the wearing of masks, especially among the young. The authors write, “Keeping in mind the weak antiviral mask efficacy, the general trend of forcing mask mandates even for the vulnerable subgroups is not based on sound scientific evidence and not in line with the obligation in particular to protect born or unborn children from potential harmful influences.”
Public-health officials—and the executive-branch leaders who credulously listened to them—ignored centuries of Western norms, the best medical evidence, and common sense, deciding that their own novel and evidence-free course was the one that all of society should be forced to follow. We should never again indulge such an obvious and destructive misstep.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-harm-caused-by-masks
Pointless indeed, as in your posts.
Put on your thinking cap for just 2 seconds, excess carbon dioxide due to masks? All those wearing masks even prior to Covid in the medical field all are at risks and dead?
Just no common sense for some people…
It’s people like purple font that pushes the narrative of politicizing with his narrow world view. Feel sorry for his kids…
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
I get the sense that morekaos is a better parent than a real estate forum contributor.
He gets his simple pleasures from trolling TI... sometimes to the contradiction of common sense and actual facts.
He gets his simple pleasures from trolling TI... sometimes to the contradiction of common sense and actual facts.
morekaos
Well-known member
You are not alone in your hysteria…
More Mask Hysteria
As summer turns to fall, the maskaholics are attempting a comeback.
Randomized controlled trials are the gold standard of medical research, and Cochrane reviews are the gold standard for reviewing such trials. A recent Cochrane review found, “Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness”—or “to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2”—“compared to not wearing masks.” Moreover, “The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference.” Stating things even more plainly, the review’s lead author, Oxford’s Tom Jefferson, said of masks in a subsequent interview with Australian investigative journalist Maryanne Demasi, “There is just no evidence that they make any difference. Full stop.”
https://www.city-journal.org/article/more-mask-hysteria
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
So funny... morekaos doesn't even understand the article he posted.
morekaos
Well-known member
masks are useless …understand?
But the mask hysterics don’t much care about human social interaction, or rights, or the scientific evidence. They are fully committed to perpetuating a myth. That way, apparently, they can feel like they’re in control—of both the virus and you.
But the mask hysterics don’t much care about human social interaction, or rights, or the scientific evidence. They are fully committed to perpetuating a myth. That way, apparently, they can feel like they’re in control—of both the virus and you.
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
I feel sorry for your limited knowledge of science. I give up trying to help you.
morekaos
Well-known member
not sure what your definition of science is, but this is what the vast majority of the world sees as science…
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
And there own caveat, which morekaos always ignores:
There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect.
So their answer is maybe or maybe not.
Next.
There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect.
So their answer is maybe or maybe not.
Next.
morekaos
Well-known member
exactly, there is no such thing as settled science when it comes to Covid, masks, or climate change…next
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The science that masks work is clear: If everyone wears a well-fitting mask, transmission is reduced. This is true in medical settings.
The problem is that in the wilds, half of folks won't wear one, even if they are feeling ill. Plus few people wear them properly even if they do.
This results in the "real-life" results reported in that Cochrane report.
The problem is that in the wilds, half of folks won't wear one, even if they are feeling ill. Plus few people wear them properly even if they do.
This results in the "real-life" results reported in that Cochrane report.