Learning/lessons from the past boom/bust in Irvine (OC)

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<p>I assume this is a perplexing period where the home sales volume dropped but the price still holds. I hear many bad news and warnings. Yet, nothing drastic is happening in Irvine and neighboring OC cities. I suspect though, the worst will come sooner or later just like when a building collapses, it does suddenly and instantaneously as the support structure buckles. </p>

<p>I would appreciate very much if any of the older/wiser folks, smart investors, and witnesses of 70s/80s/90s busts and tell us what happened then in terms of media headlines, RE agents and builders denial, foolish buyers purchasing homes at the asking price, and wise ones who waited for right moments and ripped what they sowed recently. I believe history repeats itself (at different magnitude of course) and could be rich (very rich) if I learn lessons from it. Thank you.</p>
 
<p>Click <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2797158966099672113&postID=3730565634488649577">here</a> for all the OC Register headlines and the free portion of the article from 1987 to 1993.</p>

<p>Here is one of my favorites:</p>

Analysts say foreclosures are economic dead weight

May 5, 1991

Byline: Andre Mouchard

The Orange County Register

Foreclosures are up in Orange County, and economists believe the trend is weighing down the county's long climb out of recession.

Through the first three months of this year, about 800 local properties were given dates for trustee sale, the final step in foreclosure. An additional 2,240 properties were listed in default, indicating that the owners were 30 to 90 days late on their mortgage payments.


In comparison, fewer than 650 properties were listed in foreclosure during all of 1990. The year before, about 394 properties were put in foreclosure.

Despite the increase in defaults, most economists and mortgage experts are bullish on the county's housing market, saying the foreclosure boom is unusual and probably will abate by mid-1992.

But these same experts say the current situation isn't good.

Foreclosures, they note, work on the county's economy like a school of hungry piranhas, with each default taking a tiny bite out of every sector. Among the hardest hit are retail sales, auto sales and, ironically, home prices.

"Right now, one house out of every 10 that's on the market is owned by somebody in delinquency or who is late on their (mortgage) payment," said Kurt DeMeire, president of County Records Research, a Huntington Beach firm that tracks foreclosures.

"That definitely is helping to keep house prices from rising," he added.

But the biggest losers in any foreclosure boom are mortgage lenders -- banks, credit unions, savings and loans and any company that guarantees those loans.

"It's an alarming trend," said John Burns, regional vice president for General Electric Capital Mortgage Insurance Corp. in Irvine, a subsidiary of Connecticut-based General Electric Corp.

"We feel the top of the real-estate market was mid-1989, and that home prices in some pockets of the county have dropped 2, 10 and 30 percent," Burns said.

He added that when home prices drop, a higher number of homeowners owe more on their mortgage than their house is worth, so they can't sell their home to pay off their debts.

"When (a long-term decline) happens to home prices, you're going to have a lot of foreclosures, and they're going to hurt."

In a typical foreclosure, Burns' company stands to be among the hardest hit. Mortgage guarantees are required by a bank or other mortgage lender when the down payment is less than 20 percent of the total sale price of the house.

Burns said his company has been hurt by Orange County

foreclosures, although he said the traditional strength of the market has kept damage to a minimum.

"There are still a lot of investors who'll buy the (foreclosed) house in Orange County before it gets all the way through to us," he said. "We hope that continues."

More will be known about the overall effects of foreclosures later this year. Essie Adibi, an economics professor at Chapman College, hopes to create an economic model that will predict forclosure rates in Orange County.

"We've generally thought of foreclosures as an effect, not a cause, of a troubled economy," Adibi said.

"But in the past year, banks and others have asked us if there is any way of charting foreclosures," he said. "We're hoping to come up with something that shows that."
 
I wonder if Prof. Adibi ever arrived at such a model. Google, here I come.





I'll be darned. I didn't find the model, but <a href="http://www.foreclosurepulse.com/">this</a> sure is interesting.





And <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/money/housing/article_881803.php">this</a> is just funny - now.
 
BK - If there was a way to turn "cocktail party hostess" into a paying profession, I'd be there. I love nothing more than introducing people with common interests who don't know each other, to each other.
 
OC Flip - Aren't you married to an Asian lady? Vietnamese, if I recall correctly. C'mon, if there is nothing that you've learned from many of the guys on this forum, it's "don't piss off the wife."
 
<p>Oh my! You were batting 1.000 up till then. No marriage for me.</p>

<p>You think a nice VN lady would let me spend enough time on the computer to become one of the top 5 posters here?</p>

<p>Better yet, if I <strong>were</strong> married to a nice VM lady, do you think I'd <strong>want</strong> to be in front of the computer this much? </p>
 
Hmmm.... Ok, I don't know where I got that impression, but I did - either from here or from your "old" blog.





Oddly, I probably could find you a date. If you didn't want the whole "set up" thing, I could refer you to a community service group or two that has a fair amount of singles. Just whisper me if you're interested.
 
<p>Wow I thought for sure the tell tail signs of the single guys here are who post past midnight. That and how childish those posts can become. </p>

<p>Great find EvaL. Here is my favorite line from Mr. Doxey:</p>

<p><em>Doxey doesn't see the housing market peaking anytime soon. "Not even close," he says.</em></p>

<p><em>Doxey's upbeat outlook is based on what he sees as the essentials of Orange County's location and economy: its desirability as a place to live, its strength in creating jobs and its scarcity of buildable land.</em></p>

<p><em>He says he's not worried that higher mortgage rates could dent the market next year because 90 percent of his mortgage clients are taking out adjustable-rate loans. Buyers don't look at interest rates, he says, they look at what their monthly payment will be.</em> </p>

<p>Really I wonder how he feels about that now? I think they are looking at their rates now and wodering if they can refi. Oh that's right they can't.</p>
 
<p>Doxey is clearly an asshat. I still want to know how Veling continues to get press.</p>

<p>PS. My inner-child LOEVS teh IHB, Mr. Graphrix. </p>
 
<p>Eva,</p>

<p>I am usually pretty good in guessing. I could not figure you out. Your subject matter posted are all over the place. Do you work in entitlement? or for a builder?</p>
 
BK - My junior year in college, I took a planning course and really liked it. They didn't offer an Urban Planning major, so it never really worked out to go into planning. My profession (hint: I'm using that in the classical sense) allows for exposure to varied things and I've found myself doing work with state and local governments.
 
<p>Today's <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/money/ccit-sales-home-1808496-month-county">giggle</a>: "None of us anticipated the total retreat of the mortgage market and the impact it's had on the housing market," said Patrick Veling, president of Real Data Strategies Inc. of Brea. "No single analyst would have forecast this."</p>

<p>Strategist Method:</p>

<ol>

Tell everyone how sunny the outlook is while downplaying the bear case.

When the exact bear case plays out, tell everyone that "nobody predicted this".

?????

Profit!

</ol>
 
<p>Since the subject of dating came up, maybe this blog needs to add a matchmaking service for bears. I've seen a lot of posts from guys complaining that significant others are forcing them to buy or make stupid financial decisions. I'm sure there are a lot of lovely bears out there looking for others of the Genus Ursus.</p>
 
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