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Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.
 
Perspective said:
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.
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He's the consensus #2 pick in the draft...I think it's a bit of a reach to say it's impacting assessments.
 
best_potsticker_in_town said:
Perspective said:
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.
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He's the consensus #2 pick in the draft...I think it's a bit of a reach to say it's impacting assessments.
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No reach at all. These players aren't perfect, and Lonzo has many flaws, the biggest being his rail thin frame, being slower off the bounce than elite PGs, and mainly his horrific shooting form, albeit very effective in HS/college.

The most fascinating shooting form in the nation starts with a gather from the left hip and travels up to the left side of the forehead; with the right arm stretched across the torso at a 45-degree angle, the ball is slung toward the rim. From behind the college 3-point line, the shot is 41 percent accurate. The form belongs to Lonzo Ball, leader of no. 3 seed UCLA. ?It?s a big baller backyard shot,? Ball?s proud father, LaVar Ball, said in a recent interview. Lonzo?s bizarre mechanics are befitting of his quirky, offbeat style, and the results are positive.https://theringer.com/lonzo-ball-ucla-shooting-mechanics-6eeda2ef3e41

What's tricky is how Ball is inhibited from pulling up he goes right. The shot originates on his left side, with Ball pulling the basketball up from his waist and unintentionally fighting natural shooting motion. This makes use of him at the next level problematic in coming off screens, getting the ball high against all-world defenders, and using creativity with the dribble to bring the ball up without having it swiped away. In moving his body from left to right, Ball will either have to change how he builds his shooting form or deal with the consequences.http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...form-might-be-trying-to-fix-what-isnt-broken/

Where his awkward shooting mechanics can be exploited is off the dribble ... On the one hand, Ball converted on 48.6% of his jumpers off the dribble, a number that was near the top in college basketball ... However, rarely did he attempt such shots this season, and most of them were step-back three pointers rather than mid range pull ups ... His inability to pull up in the mid-range is a function of his extremely slow shooting mechanics. Ball's low release point and need to come back across his body certainly seem to factor into his inability to get his jumper off when pulling up off the dribble, and he has almost no in-between game because of it ... He will need to develop a somewhat quicker release if he ever wants to be effective in this facet of the game ... http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lonzo-ball

Ball sports a highly unusual shooting motion, albeit one he found quite a bit of success with this season. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/?DraftExpress
 
Perspective said:
best_potsticker_in_town said:
Perspective said:
Lavar's responsible for Lonzo's horrific shooting form - the most basic skill he should teach his son whom he thinks is better than MJ. That form, despite its effectiveness, is now affecting assessments of this prospect. Lonzo shoots the ball, as a righty, from a very low point, to the left of his head, with his elbow flared out to the right. It's ugly.
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He's the consensus #2 pick in the draft...I think it's a bit of a reach to say it's impacting assessments.
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No reach at all. These players aren't perfect, and Lonzo has many flaws, the biggest being his rail thin frame, being slower off the bounce than elite PGs, and mainly his horrific shooting form, albeit very effective in HS/college.

The most fascinating shooting form in the nation starts with a gather from the left hip and travels up to the left side of the forehead; with the right arm stretched across the torso at a 45-degree angle, the ball is slung toward the rim. From behind the college 3-point line, the shot is 41 percent accurate. The form belongs to Lonzo Ball, leader of no. 3 seed UCLA. ?It?s a big baller backyard shot,? Ball?s proud father, LaVar Ball, said in a recent interview. Lonzo?s bizarre mechanics are befitting of his quirky, offbeat style, and the results are positive.https://theringer.com/lonzo-ball-ucla-shooting-mechanics-6eeda2ef3e41

Where his awkward shooting mechanics can be exploited is off the dribble ... On the one hand, Ball converted on 48.6% of his jumpers off the dribble, a number that was near the top in college basketball ... However, rarely did he attempt such shots this season, and most of them were step-back three pointers rather than mid range pull ups ... His inability to pull up in the mid-range is a function of his extremely slow shooting mechanics. Ball's low release point and need to come back across his body certainly seem to factor into his inability to get his jumper off when pulling up off the dribble, and he has almost no in-between game because of it ... He will need to develop a somewhat quicker release if he ever wants to be effective in this facet of the game ... http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lonzo-ball

Ball sports a highly unusual shooting motion, albeit one he found quite a bit of success with this season. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lonzo-Ball-7229/?DraftExpress
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Two big questions on that shot of his.  Yes it's not pretty but yes it's quite effective.  The shot mechanics are bit like Kevin Martin to me, he uses the same shot mechanics on every shot so at least.  It's not terrible like a MKG , but the low release point might affect his shooting inside of 3 pt land on pull ups.  1st big question, can he hit it consistently at NBA range? Can he pull up with that shot against NBA defense or will he need a pick every time? He's got a really fast release so I'm not too worried, kind of like our own D'LO.  Ironically, that stupid shot of his I think helps his passing/overall game.  I've seen enough clips of him that the defender really has no idea if he's shooting or passing since it's so unorthodox.  A traditional "beautiful" shot like a ray allen might be easier to read since his shooting/passing looks completely different...but ray allen's a whole different animal because of the elevation he gets on his shot. 

On the other hand, if he needs a pick every time to pull up, that's a huge red flag to me and might make me look at a different prospect entirely.  It's not hard to change mechanics but we would need to hire the best in the league to help him like the spurs with kawhi etc.  His passing/IQ is elite but in the nba today you need to be able to shoot.  I still love Rubio/rondo as nba players but their shooting is definitely holding them back. 
 
Two years ago I would've thrown something at my TV if the Lakers had selected Okafor over DLo. Okafor is a dinosaur. The league has evolved.

It's not like that for me this year. Ball does so many things exceptionally well, that I'm fine with the Lakers taking him second. I'd be happy with Fox or Jackson second too.
 
The only good thing is that he can get his shot off quick.  But like Perspective says.. it can be difficult for him to make a shot off dribble which we saw on that sports science segment. 
 
Luckily, Lonzo's coveted skills aren't shooting (like Rondo)... but he should have the 3-ball to keep the defense honest.

Are there any bigs near the top?

Everyone says this is a deep draft but they say that every year.
 
An "ugly" shot doesn't mean that it's not effective. He's got a quick release and almost optimal spin rate. When rushed, he may not be as accurate, but that's the case for almost any player at any level.

You don't need a perfect form for success. Jim Furyk has an "ugly" golf swing but he's one of the top golfers in the world. Jim Abbott pitched with one hand. At this point, it's more important that Lonzo continue to perfect his stroke than try to change it.

As I said earlier, he's still the consensus #2 player in a deep draft. If the shot was a show stopper, he'd probably be much lower.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Luckily, Lonzo's coveted skills aren't shooting (like Rondo)... but he should have the 3-ball to keep the defense honest.

Are there any bigs near the top?

Everyone says this is a deep draft but they say that every year.
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Zach Collins from Gonzaga will be a lottery pick and probably the best big in the draft. I really like Lauri Markkanen from Arizona. 7 footer who can move and has a great shot. I'd actually like to see the Lakers trade Russell or Randle for a #10 thru #13 pick and get that guy.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Luckily, Lonzo's coveted skills aren't shooting (like Rondo)... but he should have the 3-ball to keep the defense honest.

Are there any bigs near the top?

Everyone says this is a deep draft but they say that every year.
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These are top wing prospects, this was copy pasted from reddit klutch_shot
Seems Isaac is climbing up draft boards fast and might be worth a look at the 2nd.  Him and Ingram on defense would be crazy length

Interesting take from Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast:


Nate Duncan and Danny LeRoux prospect reviews on Isaac, Tatum and Jackson
Near draft season Nate and Danny do prospect reviews on the top 10 or so prospects after watching detailed game film on each prospect. I especially enjoy Nate's perspective since he watches more NBA than almost anyone and tends to look at prospects at how they would fit in today's NBA. For example his top 3 last year was Simmons, Brown and Murray and he was completely out on Dunn which looks good in retrospect.

Recently they started their draft review on the 3 wings in the 2017 NBA draft. Namely Jayson Tatum, Jonathan Isaac, and Josh Jackson in that order respectively. The prospect reviews are 15-20 minutes long and the links to the 3 reviews and the start time are linked below:

Podcast reviewing Jayson Tatum starts at the 34:55 minute mark

Spoiler:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdo...ia-sasgsw-game-2-jayson-tatum-scouting-report

Podcast reviewing Jonathan Isaac starts at the 41:23 minute mark

Spoiler:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdo...m-implications-jonathan-isaac-scouting-report

Podcast reviewing Josh Jackson starts at the 31:50 minute mark

Spoiler:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/22/boscle-game-3-josh-jackson-scouting-report

After reviewing the 3 wing prospects they had the following ranking:


Isaac
(big gap)
Tatum
(slight gap)
Jackson

They both agreed that the only wing prospect that might be worth a top 5 pick in this draft is Isaac.
Post courtesy of klutch_shot on reddit
 
best_potsticker_in_town said:
An "ugly" shot doesn't mean that it's not effective. He's got a quick release and almost optimal spin rate. When rushed, he may not be as accurate, but that's the case for almost any player at any level.

You don't need a perfect form for success. Jim Furyk has an "ugly" golf swing but he's one of the top golfers in the world. Jim Abbott pitched with one hand. At this point, it's more important that Lonzo continue to perfect his stroke than try to change it.

As I said earlier, he's still the consensus #2 player in a deep draft. If the shot was a show stopper, he'd probably be much lower.
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It has been effective. What the Lakers and other teams must evaluate, is whether his shooting form will continue to be effective in the NBA, with longer, faster, better prepared players who will expose every one of Ball's weaknesses.

Watch Ball in the Summer League, whatever team he's on. Every defender will shade him to his left, forcing him to go right. They'll also get longer limbs up near the left side of Ball's head to affect that low release shot.

The fact remains, shooting form like his is not successful in the NBA. The only outlier is Kevin Martin, who had similar form, but not as poor. Are the Lakers comfortable with this? I'm not.
 
Exactly what Perspective said... 82 games for 48 minutes at the NBA level is an entirely different animal than high school and 1 year of college.

That's why so many top draft picks fail.
 
Perspective said:
best_potsticker_in_town said:
An "ugly" shot doesn't mean that it's not effective. He's got a quick release and almost optimal spin rate. When rushed, he may not be as accurate, but that's the case for almost any player at any level.

You don't need a perfect form for success. Jim Furyk has an "ugly" golf swing but he's one of the top golfers in the world. Jim Abbott pitched with one hand. At this point, it's more important that Lonzo continue to perfect his stroke than try to change it.

As I said earlier, he's still the consensus #2 player in a deep draft. If the shot was a show stopper, he'd probably be much lower.
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It has been effective. What the Lakers and other teams must evaluate, is whether his shooting form will continue to be effective in the NBA, with longer, faster, better prepared players who will expose every one of Ball's weaknesses.

Watch Ball in the Summer League, whatever team he's on. Every defender will shade him to his left, forcing him to go right. They'll also get longer limbs up near the left side of Ball's head to affect that low release shot.

The fact remains, shooting form like his is not successful in the NBA. The only outlier is Kevin Martin, who had similar form, but not as poor. Are the Lakers comfortable with this? I'm not.
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You do realize that Lonzo is a top prospect IN SPITE of his poor shooting form, not BECAUSE of it.  He's valued as a distributor more than anything else.  He's compared to Jason Kidd.  Lonzo is probably not the defender that Kidd was, but he's a much more accurate shooter from long range and he's a very good finisher at the basket. 
 
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Hilarious.
 
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