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Yeahhhhhh! Field trip! Where I grew up liberal part of MD the mock trial club in high school would visit the prison every year. People who went always found it a very valuable experience actually. Then again I think they picked a handful of safe and brainy inmates for the kids to talk to.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1218900500]I don't agree with this, and I in no way encourage it, but if the revenge tactics that I had heard about actually happened, then the trial never would have happened and it would have been anything but painless. Maybe it was a good thing, maybe not so much, but things like that happen. Maybe I am just bitter my tax dollars will house and feed these ruthless animals for way too long.</blockquote>


If anybody is curious about my opinion on this matter, please watch the movie "Sympathy for Lady Vengeance":



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Well, opinions will differ on whether it's cushy or hard but let's not forget the most appealing part of prison:



<strong>The f*ckers can't commit any more crimes from in there !</strong> (against other prisoners doesn't count) And don't go all "Eme shot caller" on me....



I think we'd all like to see more of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio">Sheriff Joe</a> type set up....but this is California.



<em>"Arpaio is despised by criminals for the unorthodox and uncompromising style in which he runs the Maricopa County Jail, including chain gangs, cheap food, no television and no smoking."</em>
 
Yeah, skekker....I didn't know how you misunderstood my posts.....all is well though.



Hey, prison isn't that great. As you can imagine, I've been in many of them. Would I like it to be tougher ? Yes. What I'd really like is if they actually served their entire sentences !



Here is a little tidbit for you to consider. Yes, this happens frequently in California prisons.



<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape">Prison rape</a>



<em>"According to Human Rights Watch, at least <strong>140,000 inmates are raped each year,</strong>[2] and there is a significant variation in the rates of prison rape by race. Stop Prisoner Rape, Inc. statistics indicate that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women similarly assaulted. They estimate that young men are five times more likely to be attacked; and that the prison rape victims are ten times more likely to contract a deadly disease."</em>
 
[quote author="skek" date=1219196493]I'm down for Graph's field trip, though.</blockquote>


Yay! Field trip FTW! I thought for a minute there that my post got over looked and I was going to have to go crackercakes on this thread. Nice save by the skekster.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1219193494]Well, opinions will differ on whether it's cushy or hard but let's not forget the most appealing part of prison:



<strong>The f*ckers can't commit any more crimes from in there !</strong> (against other prisoners doesn't count) And don't go all "Eme shot caller" on me....



I think we'd all like to see more of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio">Sheriff Joe</a> type set up....but this is California.



<em>"Arpaio is despised by criminals for the unorthodox and uncompromising style in which he runs the Maricopa County Jail, including chain gangs, cheap food, no television and no smoking."</em></blockquote>


Troop,

I've met him a few times, to me the most innovative planning was when he created a desert camp to relieve overcrowding. Arizona desert near Phoenix basin [x], living in tents [x], chained to your fellow scum [x]....



Works for me.



-bix
 
I hear the Fed prison near Lomopc is a "Club Fed" but I can tell you guys from personal expererience that the facilities at:



- Corcoran

- Avenal

- Coalinga

- Chowchilla (women's)



are not nice places. I have a buddy who is a guard at Tehachipi and says it's about the same.



Some of my customers tell me that they'd rather go to any of the above listed than LA County because LAC isn't 'safe'. Something about general not being segregated or some nonesense like that. They also tell me that OC isn't much better, but given a choice, they'd all rather do thier time at a State facility because they are 'safer'. Who'd of thought.
 
[quote author="skek" date=1219196493]Not sure there's that much disagreement anyway. I'm down for Graph's field trip, though.</blockquote>


Naw, I was picking at a side remark, and I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that. And no, you did not say "cushy." I stand corrected.



I would love to join you on Graph's field trip, but while looking at the CDCR's site for how to arrange such a visit I learned that I probably won't be able to join you, <a href="http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/docs/InmateVisitingGuidelines.pdf">as they do not allow visitors to wear underwire bras</a>.



I know that games and gym time for prisoners didn't sit well with you, but have you asked yourself why such activities might be provided? <em>Squishy liberal legislators!</em> Ok, maybe, but think about this:



People with poor impulse control and/or violent tendencies + boredom = Nothing Good.



In other words, providing activities is not so much for the benefit of the individual prisoner as much as it is for the safety of the other prisoners <em>and the corrections officers</em>. See, e.g., <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attica_Prison_riots">Attica</a>.



Like I said, you and I can agree to disagree, but I think there are reasonable explanations for why things are organized the way they are currently. Should people be allowed to take issue with it? Of course.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1219271197]I hear the Fed prison near Lomopc is a "Club Fed" but I can tell you guys from personal expererience that the facilities at:



- Corcoran

- Avenal

- Coalinga

- Chowchilla (women's)



are not nice places. I have a buddy who is a guard at Tehachipi and says it's about the same.



Some of my customers tell me that they'd rather go to any of the above listed than LA County because LAC isn't 'safe'. Something about general not being segregated or some nonesense like that. They also tell me that OC isn't much better, but given a choice, they'd all rather do thier time at a State facility because they are 'safer'. Who'd of thought.</blockquote>


I had thought Lompoc was medium security, but had heard that The Farm (the minimum security Fed Pen in Livermore) was kind of nice (as prisons go). I believe Cali "types" their prisoners by crime and history (violent, non-violent, capital, etc.), the prisons themselves are not designated minimum, medium, or maximum security (except for the super max at Pelican Bay). That is one reason why if you're going to embezzle money and run the risk of getting caught, make sure to embezzle enough to get the attention of the FBI, so you can go to a federal prison. Michael Milken appeared to be no worse for wear after his time at The Farm, even if he couldn't wear his toupee.
 
Juvenile detention sucks. County jail sucks. Prison sucks (unless you are a non-violent, Federal felon). Given a choice between 24 hours in LA's Central, 24 days in OC's Theo Lacey or 24 months in Susanville's CCC... I'd recommend you embrace a Northern California work program. Having been a guest of the county and state in my youth, I would suggest that "comfort" is relative and that anyone serving any considerable sentence will find a way to make the experience as comfortable as possible. Prior to conviction, skek, we are still considered "innocent until proven guilty". That means that while on trial county jails still house, feed, and treat people who may be found innocent. How rough do you want life to be for a person who is innocent of any crime?



As for the death penalty, once a person has been convicted and had an opportunity for appeal, they should be housed in general population in San Quentin and randomly executed in their cell sometime after breakfast. Not knowing when or how they are going to die will at least simulate some of the apprehension their victim's felt, and in the meantime they get to live shoulder to shoulder with the worst of the worst.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1219275452]In other words, providing activities is not so much for the benefit of the individual prisoner as much as it is for the safety of the other prisoners <em>and the corrections officers</em>. See, e.g., <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attica_Prison_riots">Attica</a>.</blockquote>


Attica! Attica!



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<em>Troop,

I?ve met him a few times, to me the most innovative planning was when he created a desert camp to relieve overcrowding. Arizona desert near Phoenix basin [x], living in tents [x], chained to your fellow scum [x]....



Works for me.



-bix </em>



His <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0114052pinkcuffs1.html">pink handcuffs</a> were the inspiration for my avatar here on IHB ! (thx Nude)
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1219278746] As for the death penalty, once a person has been convicted and had an opportunity for appeal, they should be housed in general population in San Quentin and randomly executed in their cell sometime after breakfast. Not knowing when or how they are going to die will at least simulate some of the apprehension their victim's felt, and in the meantime they get to live shoulder to shoulder with the worst of the worst.</blockquote>


What about all the exonerated death-row inmates so far? With such a system they would all be dead (instead of having been released decades later). There is no room for error with the death penalty and the current system is FAR from foolproof. What ratio of executions of innocent people vs. deserving criminals would be acceptable?
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1219193494]Well, opinions will differ on whether it's cushy or hard but let's not forget the most appealing part of prison:



<strong>The f*ckers can't commit any more crimes from in there !</strong> (against other prisoners doesn't count) And don't go all "Eme shot caller" on me....



I think we'd all like to see more of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio">Sheriff Joe</a> type set up....but this is California.



<em>"Arpaio is despised by criminals for the unorthodox and uncompromising style in which he runs the Maricopa County Jail, including chain gangs, cheap food, no television and no smoking."</em></blockquote>


I agree Trooper. I'm from AZ, and trust me, Sheriff Joe does not run a Country Club style jail. Every state should learn from him.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1219291124][quote author="Nude" date=1219278746] As for the death penalty, once a person has been convicted and had an opportunity for appeal, they should be housed in general population in San Quentin and randomly executed in their cell sometime after breakfast. Not knowing when or how they are going to die will at least simulate some of the apprehension their victim's felt, and in the meantime they get to live shoulder to shoulder with the worst of the worst.</blockquote>


What about all the exonerated death-row inmates so far? With such a system they would all be dead (instead of having been released decades later). There is no room for error with the death penalty and the current system is FAR from foolproof. What ratio of executions of innocent people vs. deserving criminals would be acceptable?</blockquote>


1:1 or maybe 1:2
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1219299871][quote author="green_cactus" date=1219291124][quote author="Nude" date=1219278746] As for the death penalty, once a person has been convicted and had an opportunity for appeal, they should be housed in general population in San Quentin and randomly executed in their cell sometime after breakfast. Not knowing when or how they are going to die will at least simulate some of the apprehension their victim's felt, and in the meantime they get to live shoulder to shoulder with the worst of the worst.</blockquote>


What about all the exonerated death-row inmates so far? With such a system they would all be dead (instead of having been released decades later). There is no room for error with the death penalty and the current system is FAR from foolproof. What ratio of executions of innocent people vs. deserving criminals would be acceptable?</blockquote>


1:1 or maybe 1:2</blockquote>


Feel like stepping up to the plate then?
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1219291124][quote author="Nude" date=1219278746] As for the death penalty, once a person has been convicted and had an opportunity for appeal, they should be housed in general population in San Quentin and randomly executed in their cell sometime after breakfast. Not knowing when or how they are going to die will at least simulate some of the apprehension their victim's felt, and in the meantime they get to live shoulder to shoulder with the worst of the worst.</blockquote>


What about all the exonerated death-row inmates so far? With such a system they would all be dead (instead of having been released decades later). There is no room for error with the death penalty and the current system is FAR from foolproof. What ratio of executions of innocent people vs. deserving criminals would be acceptable?</blockquote>
No system is perfect. But rather than assume wrongful conviction after my stipulated appeal (which would include DNA testing in this day and age), I am going to assume that a jury and an appeals court did everything right and the person convicted actually committed the crime. Could they all be wrong? Sure. But how many people are you willing to let die to prevent one death penalty from being wrongly imposed?



Before you answer that, look up the statistics on murders committed in prison by people already serving life sentences.
 
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