Juniper by Pulte (Beacon Park)
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Far too many home shoppers look at the sale price alone when comparing properties, and fail to seriously consider property taxes. Whether or not Beacon Park is better than Stonegate is subjective and is something you'll have to spend a lot of time evaluating. The thousands of dollars in mello roos difference every year for thirty years is objective - not debatable.
This is why I would adjust the sale price of the higher mello roos option when comparing two homes. A $4K higher annual mello roos expense is the equivalent of a $70K higher price. In other words, it's worth repeating.
The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.
The thing that kills me is I don't think the builders get that much more money by shrinking the lots by 500 sq ft. I'd gladly pay a bit of a premium for an extra 1K (which would in general take a 10 foot back yard to a 20-30 foot backyard...presuming you kept the rest of the set backs consistently).
Yea you can definitely achieve all that with 20' from the house. Closer to 30 would be ideal esp if you want to plant trees along the back wall (for privacy/shade/etc). Eats up some of the setbacks. We built veg planters to grow things with our kids. They haven't been that interested but still nice to eat from my garden. Prob cheaper to just buy from whole foods though. Haha.
Some CA rooms can extend pretty far from the house. My reference point is Strada, where the CA room/conservatory extends about 2.5'. If you have a CA room though, that feels like part of the backyard and makes it feel bigger. So, would you measure from the edge of the CA room, or the house wall where the CA room starts to extend?
Perspective
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bones said:
Far too many home shoppers look at the sale price alone when comparing properties, and fail to seriously consider property taxes. Whether or not Beacon Park is better than Stonegate is subjective and is something you'll have to spend a lot of time evaluating. The thousands of dollars in mello roos difference every year for thirty years is objective - not debatable.
This is why I would adjust the sale price of the higher mello roos option when comparing two homes. A $4K higher annual mello roos expense is the equivalent of a $70K higher price. In other words, it's worth repeating.
Not to mention, that IIRC, one of the bonds in Stonegate / OH (smaller of them) expires in a few years (can't remember if it is 2017 or what, but it isn't very long) so by that point you are paying somewhere between 2K - 3.5K (can't remember anymore as its been a while since I did the analysis).Perspective said:
I don't think so. They are all latching onto already existing bonds. Maybe they do and they just don't advertise it? If I end up buying a Palo Alto, I'll let you guys know. Still got to wait and see what the price is by the time they got to the couple lots that I'm interested in. Disappointing BP ended up coming in so high for the initial phases. I suppose I'll settle for lower taxes and some free solar panels (and a really cheap upgrade to a full solar system), haha, as long as I can get one of my 20+ foot setbacks.ps9 said:
irvinehomeowner
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These Mello jacks are redic... serious Prop 13 shenanigans going on and as ghettustin has shown you, no oversight.
Irvine is the new Boston.
Irvine is the new Boston.
Perspective
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Bullsback said:
The 20' setback is key. That is just enough to make it a real backyard, and anything more is gravy.
The way the Palo Alo model's work, the set back would essentially be the same, but I've gotten to the point where I'd settle with 20 from the house (sad but true). Ideal for me is about 20 to 30 foot set back from the California room. Anything more is way too much maintenance (as I don't need a huge grass area and have no desire for a pool..I live in Irvine so I have great community features that I can mooch off of (er...that I already pay for). Last thing I want is the maintenance / water / electric costs of a pool. Just enough space so you have some "feel" for privacy and enough room to entertain, have an outdoor firepit / seating area, built in BBQ and then some space for some fruit trees / lil garden where I can pretend to garden (even though I'll probably never actually do so...but the idea would be gardening with the lil ones). Oh and of course having space for the lil kids to be able to play / kick a ball, etc.bones said:
The thing that kills me is I don't think the builders get that much more money by shrinking the lots by 500 sq ft. I'd gladly pay a bit of a premium for an extra 1K (which would in general take a 10 foot back yard to a 20-30 foot backyard...presuming you kept the rest of the set backs consistently).
Bullsback said:
Yea you can definitely achieve all that with 20' from the house. Closer to 30 would be ideal esp if you want to plant trees along the back wall (for privacy/shade/etc). Eats up some of the setbacks. We built veg planters to grow things with our kids. They haven't been that interested but still nice to eat from my garden. Prob cheaper to just buy from whole foods though. Haha.
Perspective
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bones said:
Some CA rooms can extend pretty far from the house. My reference point is Strada, where the CA room/conservatory extends about 2.5'. If you have a CA room though, that feels like part of the backyard and makes it feel bigger. So, would you measure from the edge of the CA room, or the house wall where the CA room starts to extend?
ps99472
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Another bump for new pricing info:
http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,13403.msg269391.html#msg269391
http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,13403.msg269391.html#msg269391
Perspective
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Toured Juniper today - all eight lots are available for sale today. This can't possibly be the plan, can it? The goal is to sell the first couple of phases quickly, fan the demand fire, and sell the final phases with the bigger cul-de-sac lots at a huge premium, no?
These are very nice, but priced at $1,272,957-$1,369,677 (2,897-3,328+ sq ft). The typical lot size of 5,100+ is great, but considering the double mello roos, these would need to be priced ~$100K less to compete with other options available. The current price range seems more appropriate for the huge lots in the cul-de-sacs.
These are very nice, but priced at $1,272,957-$1,369,677 (2,897-3,328+ sq ft). The typical lot size of 5,100+ is great, but considering the double mello roos, these would need to be priced ~$100K less to compete with other options available. The current price range seems more appropriate for the huge lots in the cul-de-sacs.