irvinehomeowner
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qwerty said:
Did they get calfed up?
Irvine seen as epicenter of violence against Asian - will it impact sales?
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Did they get calfed up?
I'm pro-capitalism. Being pro-capitalism doesn't mean you support doing everything to earn a buck. It is not capitalism when a corporation is doing the equivalent of knowingly dumping mass quantities of proven carcinogenic toxins in the water supply.
I can excuse some of the behaviors of corporations in the gilded age, they literally did not know the damage their pollution was causing, these corporation do know and actively trying to suppress the information they do know about the harm they are causing.
I agree with your stance personally, but you're making a moral argument. It's easy when it's black and white.
When it's a business decision, moral arguments often don't win out. Businesses will weigh the cost of fines & blowbacks vs. the profits of damping mass toxins.
It's a systemic problem of capitalism.
Is that evil? maybe but it's also reality.
I'm saying it'd be more productive if people channel their outrage into changing the system instead of being outraged at CEOs who have every incentive to buck against their moral value.
It's a systemic problem of groups. Groups have been shown to take riskier and less ethical decisions. It's a hazard of distributing accountability.
I think people should be outraged at the CEOs. Frankly many of their policies and decisions really are in the out of bounds zone of a clearly differentiated decisions. They're way over the fuzzy line. Calling them on it is really the first step in bringing accountability back. IMHO, Orange jumpsuits are really needed for some of the captains of industry for their behaviors to check the overall runaway egos that are taking hold.
It's a pipe dream though because all the kids want to be social influencers. Olivia Jade is the poster child of the unethical 'good business decision'. $500K in USC bribes to create the marketable property generating several million a year.
I agree with you on orange jumpsuits.
We've seen too many who made the decisions that led to the crisis not only got off scot-free, but also became rich off of the spoils. The criminal justice system looked the other way because there was no mechanism to prosecute decision-makers.
Nothing wrong with being outraged at CEOs.
My point is it doesn't accomplish anything meaningful. And it's also na?ve to think things will dramatically improve by just getting rid of a CEO. The next man/woman up is just as incentivized to make those "bad" decisions as the previous CEO.
Public outrage is often short lived and doesn't bring real policy change or real accountability. You know what does? Lobbying.
That's just the sad reality.
Did they get calfed up?
talkirvine
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No, Irvine is in no way the epicenter of violence against Asian. Check out this video below from NYC that has been popular on social media. It is very brutal. I am shocked and very sad that shit like this still happens in the U.S. And what is more despairing is that no one stands out and stop the assault.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376406876921810946
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376406876921810946
nosuchreality
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Kenkoko said:
I'm pro-capitalism. Being pro-capitalism doesn't mean you support doing everything to earn a buck. It is not capitalism when a corporation is doing the equivalent of knowingly dumping mass quantities of proven carcinogenic toxins in the water supply.
I can excuse some of the behaviors of corporations in the gilded age, they literally did not know the damage their pollution was causing, these corporation do know and actively trying to suppress the information they do know about the harm they are causing.
nosuchreality said:
I agree with your stance personally, but you're making a moral argument. It's easy when it's black and white.
When it's a business decision, moral arguments often don't win out. Businesses will weigh the cost of fines & blowbacks vs. the profits of damping mass toxins.
It's a systemic problem of capitalism.
Is that evil? maybe but it's also reality.
I'm saying it'd be more productive if people channel their outrage into changing the system instead of being outraged at CEOs who have every incentive to buck against their moral value.
nosuchreality
Well-known member
Kenkoko said:
It's a systemic problem of groups. Groups have been shown to take riskier and less ethical decisions. It's a hazard of distributing accountability.
I think people should be outraged at the CEOs. Frankly many of their policies and decisions really are in the out of bounds zone of a clearly differentiated decisions. They're way over the fuzzy line. Calling them on it is really the first step in bringing accountability back. IMHO, Orange jumpsuits are really needed for some of the captains of industry for their behaviors to check the overall runaway egos that are taking hold.
It's a pipe dream though because all the kids want to be social influencers. Olivia Jade is the poster child of the unethical 'good business decision'. $500K in USC bribes to create the marketable property generating several million a year.
nosuchreality said:
I agree with you on orange jumpsuits.
We've seen too many who made the decisions that led to the crisis not only got off scot-free, but also became rich off of the spoils. The criminal justice system looked the other way because there was no mechanism to prosecute decision-makers.
Nothing wrong with being outraged at CEOs.
My point is it doesn't accomplish anything meaningful. And it's also na?ve to think things will dramatically improve by just getting rid of a CEO. The next man/woman up is just as incentivized to make those "bad" decisions as the previous CEO.
Public outrage is often short lived and doesn't bring real policy change or real accountability. You know what does? Lobbying.
That's just the sad reality.
sleepy5136
Well-known member
targeting the CEO doesn't mean as much as targeting the board members. Board members are the ones that really call the shots.
Sidehussle
Member
Did y'all catch the news of the poor korean lady that was punched in the stomach on Sunday morning by a thug from Irvine? This happened at a public park in Tustin.
I'm starting to be worried and on guard. I'm usually out in the neighborhood with my two toddlers and the stressors are active. Spidey sense on alert, which in itself is a damn shame. I wouldn't be worried at all if just me, but now with two little ones...
How are you all feeling about the recent spike in AAPI hate?
I'm starting to be worried and on guard. I'm usually out in the neighborhood with my two toddlers and the stressors are active. Spidey sense on alert, which in itself is a damn shame. I wouldn't be worried at all if just me, but now with two little ones...
How are you all feeling about the recent spike in AAPI hate?
Mety said: