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One of our pastors with his wife and two small daughters in Irvine are moving to Santa Ana; no, not bk?s part of the town, but Santiago Park. Although, I don?t exactly know what Santiago Park looks like; I?m sure it?s not a nice as Irvine. Our church is launching a Santa Ana initiative where we plan to minister to the youths, artists and others in the community. Our church bought a building in the artist district where they plan on creating a safe, creative place where the kids can go to hang out. I?ve heard that the neighbors are really anticipating the vision.



The initiative really touched me. What I like about our church is that our leaders don?t just preach about helping the poor at the margins of society they actually live it out. It makes my <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5580/">housing dreams </a>seem completely self-centered and narcissistic. This is what prompted me to start this entire dream series where I really wanted to examine my reasons for buying in Irvine; how determined I was to <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5588/">fulfill that dream </a>and how it might possibly relate to a greater purpose.



Irvine will always carry a premium, it will always demand more than you realize. Most people I know that live here; stretch every aspect of their lives in order to maintain its lifestyle. We scavenge whatever precious energies we have left over from work and family for self-indulgence. Whatever monies that are left over from the mortgage and expenses we spend on acquiring material possessions. We never seem to have enough time because we are trying to sustain the hectic pace of making <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5207/">ends meet, raising a family</a>, and working that what ever is left over we scramble for pleasures from resting and leisure activities.



The darker side of Irvine lies a vicious cycle where if we?re not constantly checking our priorities; we can easily get sucked into a busy unexamined life where we are blinded by the comforts, conveniences and beauty of what surrounds us.



I can easily see myself buying in a couple of years, an Irvine house where we can just about make the mortgage with little margin for <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5408/">spontaneous acts of generosity</a>. We would essentially be forced to live self-centered, cautious, protective lives as very little will be left for anyone else. I can just see the years easily pass by; where the passions and joys we get from serving and helping the needy slowly fade.



How awesome and liberating would it be if our total housing expenses for a comfortable Santa Ana SFR were under $1,000? How much stress would that take off, and how much time would that free up to help in the causes that are important to us? I do wish I have the courage and faith to be all-in. I wish I can completely surrender; but as I conclude this series I am still struggling with this internal conflict.
 
[quote author="roundcorners" date=1245967345]One of our pastors with his wife and two small daughters in Irvine are moving to Santa Ana; no, not bk?s part of the town, but Santiago Park. <strong>Although, I don?t exactly know what Santiago Park looks like; I?m sure it?s not a nice as Irvine.</strong> Our church is launching a Santa Ana initiative where we plan to minister to the youths, artists and others in the community. Our church bought a building in the artist district where they plan on creating a safe, creative place where the kids can go to hang out. I?ve heard that the neighbors are really anticipating the vision.



The initiative really touched me. What I like about our church is that our leaders don?t just preach about helping the poor at the margins of society they actually live it out. It makes my <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5580/">housing dreams </a>seem completely self-centered and narcissistic. This is what prompted me to start this entire dream series where I really wanted to examine my reasons for buying in Irvine; how determined I was to <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5588/">fulfill that dream </a>and how it might possibly relate to a greater purpose.



Irvine will always carry a premium, it will always demand more than you realize. Most people I know that live here; stretch every aspect of their lives in order to maintain its lifestyle. We scavenge whatever precious energies we have left over from work and family for self-indulgence. Whatever monies that are left over from the mortgage and expenses we spend on acquiring material possessions. We never seem to have enough time because we are trying to sustain the hectic pace of making <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5207/">ends meet, raising a family</a>, and working that what ever is left over we scramble for pleasures from resting and leisure activities.



The darker side of Irvine lies a vicious cycle where if we?re not constantly checking our priorities; we can easily get sucked into a busy unexamined life where we are blinded by the comforts, conveniences and beauty of what surrounds us.



I can easily see myself buying in a couple of years, an Irvine house where we can just about make the mortgage with little margin for <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5408/">spontaneous acts of generosity</a>. We would essentially be forced to live self-centered, cautious, protective lives as very little will be left for anyone else. I can just see the years easily pass by; where the passions and joys we get from serving and helping the needy slowly fade.



How awesome and liberating would it be if our total housing expenses for a comfortable Santa Ana SFR were under $1,000? How much stress would that take off, and how much time would that free up to help in the causes that are important to us? I do wish I have the courage and faith to be all-in. I wish I can completely surrender; but as I conclude this series I am still struggling with this internal conflict.</blockquote>


You wanna bet? No matter how many polls you give, you just don't seem to get the idea that not everyone thinks that that Irvine is nice. I live in Park Santiago and I consider it to be at least twice a nice as Irvine. Of course, I personally would never live in Irvine, I just don't consider it nice in any way. Go ahead and buy your little box in Irvine and enjoy your 10x10 patch of yard while you pay extra to share everything I already have : pool/jacuzzi, park in my backyard. Personally, I'll continue to love my vintage 2200 sq. ft. home on a 16K lot with a pool/jacuzzi. I'll also enjoy my neighborhood, the one that has an association that costs $10 a year and hosts Easter Egg Hunts, Christmas parties, wine walks, a large neighborhood Fourth of July party and parade and many other family oriented events. Just in case you think that this is only my opinion, you can ask no_vas, who is waiting for the right time to buy in Park Santiago or my brother who is desperately wanting to sell his place in Irvine and get the hell of out dodge. In addition to this, you should know that there are many people who prefer Park Santiago to Floral Park (and yes, they are in the same part of town anyway), Park Santiago is much more quiet and secluded than Floral Park. You're a nice person, RC, but please, get out of the the physical and mental bubble you live in once in a while.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1245971444][quote author="roundcorners" date=1245967345]One of our pastors with his wife and two small daughters in Irvine are moving to Santa Ana; no, not bk?s part of the town, but Santiago Park. <strong>Although, I don?t exactly know what Santiago Park looks like; I?m sure it?s not a nice as Irvine.</strong> Our church is launching a Santa Ana initiative where we plan to minister to the youths, artists and others in the community. Our church bought a building in the artist district where they plan on creating a safe, creative place where the kids can go to hang out. I?ve heard that the neighbors are really anticipating the vision.



The initiative really touched me. What I like about our church is that our leaders don?t just preach about helping the poor at the margins of society they actually live it out. It makes my <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5580/">housing dreams </a>seem completely self-centered and narcissistic. This is what prompted me to start this entire dream series where I really wanted to examine my reasons for buying in Irvine; how determined I was to <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5588/">fulfill that dream </a>and how it might possibly relate to a greater purpose.



Irvine will always carry a premium, it will always demand more than you realize. Most people I know that live here; stretch every aspect of their lives in order to maintain its lifestyle. We scavenge whatever precious energies we have left over from work and family for self-indulgence. Whatever monies that are left over from the mortgage and expenses we spend on acquiring material possessions. We never seem to have enough time because we are trying to sustain the hectic pace of making <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5207/">ends meet, raising a family</a>, and working that what ever is left over we scramble for pleasures from resting and leisure activities.



The darker side of Irvine lies a vicious cycle where if we?re not constantly checking our priorities; we can easily get sucked into a busy unexamined life where we are blinded by the comforts, conveniences and beauty of what surrounds us.



I can easily see myself buying in a couple of years, an Irvine house where we can just about make the mortgage with little margin for <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5408/">spontaneous acts of generosity</a>. We would essentially be forced to live self-centered, cautious, protective lives as very little will be left for anyone else. I can just see the years easily pass by; where the passions and joys we get from serving and helping the needy slowly fade.



How awesome and liberating would it be if our total housing expenses for a comfortable Santa Ana SFR were under $1,000? How much stress would that take off, and how much time would that free up to help in the causes that are important to us? I do wish I have the courage and faith to be all-in. I wish I can completely surrender; but as I conclude this series I am still struggling with this internal conflict.</blockquote>


You wanna bet? No matter how many polls you give, you just don't seem to get the idea that not everyone thinks that that Irvine is nice. I live in Park Santiago and I consider it to be at least twice a nice as Irvine. Of course, I personally would never live in Irvine, I just don't consider it nice in any way. Go ahead and buy your little box in Irvine and enjoy your 10x10 patch of yard while you pay extra to share everything I already have : pool/jacuzzi, park in my backyard. Personally, I'll continue to love my vintage 2200 sq. ft. home on a 16K lot with a pool/jacuzzi. I'll also enjoy my neighborhood, the one that has an association that costs $10 a year and hosts Easter Egg Hunts, Christmas parties, wine walks, a large neighborhood Fourth of July party and parade and many other family oriented events. Just in case you think that this is only my opinion, you can ask no_vas, who is waiting for the right time to buy in Park Santiago or my brother who is desperately wanting to sell his place in Irvine and get the hell of out dodge. In addition to this, you should know that there are many people who prefer Park Santiago to Floral Park (and yes, they are in the same part of town anyway), Park Santiago is much more quiet and secluded than Floral Park. You're a nice person, RC, but please, get out of the the physical and mental bubble you live in once in a while.</blockquote>
Very well put, but RC can't help it as he has been brainwashed by TIC. haha
 
[quote author="roundcorners" date=1245967345]One of our pastors with his wife and two small daughters in Irvine are moving to Santa Ana; no, not bk?s part of the town, but Santiago Park.</blockquote>


You're right. That's not BK's part of town.



<span style="font-size: 16px;">It's exacty right across the street, and almost as nice.</span>



You can literally walk from one neighborhood to the other in two minutes. IMO it?s nicer than West Floral Park.



<blockquote>Although, I don?t exactly know what Santiago Park looks like; I?m sure it?s not a nice as Irvine.</blockquote>


You need to get out more often. I wouldn't be caught dead living in Irivne, but along with North Tustin and Floral Park (you know, BK's neighborhood, ACROSS MAIN STREET FROM PARK SANTIAGO) I'd absolutely live in Park Santiago.





<blockquote>I wish I can completely surrender; but as I conclude this series I am still struggling with this internal conflict.</blockquote>


Don't worry, it's not just you. The hypocrisy isn't lost on your pastor and his two small daughters, else he'd be moving into the neighborhood east of Harbor between 17th and 4th streets. It's flat out disingenuous, and if you can't tell, I'm really pissed about it.



It's not the "Irvine Housing Blog" - it's the "Self-Absorbed Housing Blog".
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245975309][neighborhood east of Harbor between 17th and 4th streets. </blockquote>


I was just there yesterday morning. In the parking lot on Flower street between Civic Center and Santa Ana Blvd., was a big steaming pile of human excrement along with the newspaper used as toilet paper. I would have stepped in it if I hadn't smelled it first. I love Santa Ana.
 
Park Santiago was once a apart of Floral park until some brainless government planners decided to dig a sunken freeway 5 trench and eliminated many homes by the use of Eminent Domain. This freeway was a vital artery to connecting South OC to LA at Park Santiago and Floral Park's expense. Park Santiago is actually older than FP because half a dozen of houses date back 2 centuries ago. Homes in the neighborhood are mostly beautiful single stories and very different from the pre- cookie cutter 1940's West Floral Park. The architectural styles in PS is very charming and diverse and full of interest. In PS there is an exclusive lawn bowling court and numerous parks connecting to the neighborhood. These parks are not the sterile looking pocket parks but parks that resemble the creation of Frederick Law Olmstead having the picturesque beauty and organic topography.



The Downtown area by the Artist Loft District is artsy and is completely different from the typical OC stereotype. I was attracted to the synergy and had my office there for 3 years.



I would highly encourage IHB members to visit some of these places and this will expand your knowledge and learn about how really the rest of the 99.9% of population really live. I do applaud RC's church mission and one of his pastor considering Santa Ana as his future home and evangelism.



There is a very talented architect name Bob White and he has lived in SA for almost 20 years. He was the brain who created the successful Tuscany architecture on the Irvine Ranch such as Turtle Ridge towers and communities, Crystal Cove, and some Shady Canyon homes. He designed many of the luxury Brookfield Homes. Unfortunately there is only one Mr. White and his architectural contribution was not wide spread across the entire Ranch. He no longer practices in the production home arena. The best designs were created by outsiders who brought their cultural and aesthetic knowledge from having lived in older neighborhoods. OC designers could visit San Marino or Park Santiago for a day but their design will never have the real soul or bone but just a facade makeovers that have very little substance. Mr. White's contribution is dearly missed.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245975309]

Don't worry, it's not just you. The hypocrisy isn't lost on your pastor and his two small daughters, else he'd be moving into the neighborhood east of Harbor between 17th and 4th streets. It's flat out disingenuous, and if you can't tell, I'm really pissed about it.



It's not the "Irvine Housing Blog" - it's the "Self-Absorbed Housing Blog".</blockquote>


Oh please with this dumb ass holier than thou statement. Hypocrisy my ass, that pastor is doing everything thing he can *within reason* to expose his children to a different life. That does not and SHOULD not mean that he puts his kids in the line of fire of gangbangers and sex offenders. There is no hypocrisy at all in making sure you do everything you can to ensure your children go to bed at night feeling safe. How about you have some kids and then come back and pass judgement on how much one is or is not doing for their community, or how much of a hypocrite they are for wanting to ensure their kids are safe.



And as far as the "Self Absorbed Housing Blog" --- I'll call bullshit on that one, too. By and large most people who strive to live in Irvine do so because they trying to make a better life for their children. Whether or not it is the right way to do so is up for discussion --- but many of us bust our ass day in and day out to not only ensure our children grow up feeling safe, but also that we might also give them a helping hand in a future as uncertain the one our children face. I'm not sure that is "self absorbed". Oh, and this self absorbed Irvine a-hole will be bringing his daugther to Angel stadium next week to volunteer for the RBI award ceremony (that stands for 'Reviving Baseball in the INNER CITY' if you are not familiar). She also comes with us to volunteer to pack food boxes at the OC Food Bank every year. But what do us self absorbed pricks from Irvine know about helping anyone else, right?



Just know that for every finger you point, someone else might think a late 30's guy who focuses his life on the casino and rebuilding cars might be a little "self abosorbed" too. You see, I used to do a lot of stuff like that when I was a single childless guy, too --- but gave it up now that I have found a greater purpose beyond my own wants. Not that either of us is right or wrong --- just remember that those who live in glass houses...
 
[quote author="CK" date=1245977730][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245975309]

Don't worry, it's not just you. The hypocrisy isn't lost on your pastor and his two small daughters, else he'd be moving into the neighborhood east of Harbor between 17th and 4th streets. It's flat out disingenuous, and if you can't tell, I'm really pissed about it.



It's not the "Irvine Housing Blog" - it's the "Self-Absorbed Housing Blog".</blockquote>


Oh please with this dumb ass holier than thou statement. Hypocrisy my ass, that pastor is doing everything thing he can *within reason* to expose his children to a different life. That does not and SHOULD not mean that he puts his kids in the line of fire of gangbangers and sex offenders. There is no hypocrisy at all in making sure you do everything you can to ensure your children go to bed at night feeling safe. How about you have some kids and then come back and pass judgement on how much one is or is not doing for their community, or how much of a hypocrite they are for wanting to ensure their kids are safe.



And as far as the "Self Absorbed Housing Blog" --- I'll call bullshit on that one, too. By and large most people who strive to live in Irvine do so because they trying to make a better life for their children. Whether or not it is the right way to do so is up for discussion --- but many of us bust our ass day in and day out to not only ensure our children grow up feeling safe, but also that we might also give them a helping hand in a future as uncertain the one our children face. I'm not sure that is "self absorbed". Oh, and this self absorbed Irvine a-hole will be bringing his daugther to Angel stadium next week to volunteer for the RBI award ceremony (that stands for 'Reviving Baseball in the INNER CITY' if you are not familiar). She also comes with us to volunteer to pack food boxes at the OC Food Bank every year. But what do us self absorbed pricks from Irvine know about helping anyone else, right?



Just know that for every finger you point, someone else might think a late 30's guy who focuses his life on the casino and rebuilding cars might be a little "self abosorbed" too. You see, I used to do a lot of stuff like that when I was a single childless guy, too --- but gave it up now that I have found a greater purpose beyond my own wants. Not that either of us is right or wrong --- just remember that those who live in glass houses...</blockquote>
No_Vas is the mirror image of the folks that workship The Ranch. I fall in the middle somewhere having grown up in Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, Westminster, and Irvine. I'm more focused on the type of home that I want to buy and not so much which town it is in (so long as it is a safe and centrally located area). Hell, if I find something for the right price in El Camino then I'll buy it or maybe I'll find what I'm looking for in Huntington Beach or Park Santiago....I dunno, only time will tell.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245977372]Park Santiago was once a apart of Floral park until some brainless government planners decided to dig a sunken freeway 5 trench and eliminated many homes by the use of Eminent Domain. This freeway was a vital artery to connecting South OC to LA at Park Santiago and Floral Park's expense. Park Santiago is actually older than FP because half a dozen of houses date back 2 centuries ago. Homes in the neighborhood are mostly beautiful single stories and very different from the pre- cookie cutter 1940's West Floral Park. The architectural styles in PS is very charming and diverse and full of interest. In PS there is an exclusive lawn bowling court and numerous parks connecting to the neighborhood. These parks are not the sterile looking pocket parks but parks that resemble the creation of Frederick Law Olmstead having the picturesque beauty and organic topography.



The Downtown area by the Artist Loft District is artsy and is completely different from the typical OC stereotype. I was attracted to the synergy and had my office there for 3 years.



I would highly encourage IHB members to visit some of these places and this will expand your knowledge and learn about how really the rest of the 99.9% of population really live. I do applaud RC's church mission and one of his pastor considering Santa Ana as his future home and evangelism.



There is a very talented architect name Bob White and he has lived in SA for almost 20 years. He was the brain who created the successful Tuscany architecture on the Irvine Ranch such as Turtle Ridge towers and communities, Crystal Cove, and some Shady Canyon homes. He designed many of the luxury Brookfield Homes. Unfortunately there is only one Mr. White and his architectural contribution was not wide spread across the entire Ranch. He no longer practices in the production home arena. The best designs were created by outsiders who brought their cultural and aesthetic knowledge from having lived in older neighborhoods. OC designers could visit San Marino or Park Santiago for a day but their design will never have the real soul or bone but just a facade makeovers that have very little substance. Mr. White's contribution is dearly missed.</blockquote>


I think RC is trying to say the price he has to pay living in nice Irvine is creating a strain in his emotional, financial, and family life. The thought of living in a less pretentious place such as SA could alleviate so much of his burden. He was trying to create a contrasting environment between Irvine and SA but did not effectively communicate his point across.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1245978350][quote author="bkshopr" date=1245977372]Park Santiago was once a apart of Floral park until some brainless government planners decided to dig a sunken freeway 5 trench and eliminated many homes by the use of Eminent Domain. This freeway was a vital artery to connecting South OC to LA at Park Santiago and Floral Park's expense. Park Santiago is actually older than FP because half a dozen of houses date back 2 centuries ago. Homes in the neighborhood are mostly beautiful single stories and very different from the pre- cookie cutter 1940's West Floral Park. The architectural styles in PS is very charming and diverse and full of interest. In PS there is an exclusive lawn bowling court and numerous parks connecting to the neighborhood. These parks are not the sterile looking pocket parks but parks that resemble the creation of Frederick Law Olmstead having the picturesque beauty and organic topography.



The Downtown area by the Artist Loft District is artsy and is completely different from the typical OC stereotype. I was attracted to the synergy and had my office there for 3 years.



I would highly encourage IHB members to visit some of these places and this will expand your knowledge and learn about how really the rest of the 99.9% of population really live. I do applaud RC's church mission and one of his pastor considering Santa Ana as his future home and evangelism.



There is a very talented architect name Bob White and he has lived in SA for almost 20 years. He was the brain who created the successful Tuscany architecture on the Irvine Ranch such as Turtle Ridge towers and communities, Crystal Cove, and some Shady Canyon homes. He designed many of the luxury Brookfield Homes. Unfortunately there is only one Mr. White and his architectural contribution was not wide spread across the entire Ranch. He no longer practices in the production home arena. The best designs were created by outsiders who brought their cultural and aesthetic knowledge from having lived in older neighborhoods. OC designers could visit San Marino or Park Santiago for a day but their design will never have the real soul or bone but just a facade makeovers that have very little substance. Mr. White's contribution is dearly missed.</blockquote>


I think RC is trying to say the price he has to pay living in nice Irvine is creating a strain in his emotional, financial, and family life. The thought of living in a less pretentious place such as SA could alleviate so much of his burden. He was trying to create a contrasting environment between Irvine and SA but did not effectively communicate his point across.</blockquote>


I think the problem is that he feels the need to make the point in the first place, as though there isn't any better place in the entire world to live except Irvine. It sounds like he'd be making those sacrifices for some pretty unnecessary reasons and may be trading in some potentially great things for some not so great things in Irvine. Like both no_vas and I have said, he needs to get out more often. I'm not saying he needs to live in Park Santiago, just go out and visit several other communities in Orange County. BTW, BK, would you like to create a contrasting view of Irvine and No. SA? I'd love to see the pro/con list side by side for both.
 
No Vas grew up in a farm and still has with him that humility yearning to live a neighborhood that is not pretentious in character the idea of neighborhood surrounded by fortress walls and perfectly lined and manicured trees have very little appeal to him.



Communities todays the entry is staged with waterfalls, fountains, massive phalic like munuments appeals to the want to be who spent their future money that they do not have now. Their wallet is empty but their attititude is full. No Vas could not stand snobbish attitute.
 
I think BK is spot on(on edit, I was responding to post #8), but I think there?s more to it than his analysis.



CK ? chill. I?m not tossing a brick through your window. RC?s pastor, however???..



The Pastor is selling that he is making a sacrifice by moving to Santa Ana, presumably to a worse neighborhood. Nothing could be further from the truth. He?s probably getting an upgrade if living in a neighborhood where other kids play in the front yards and street (there?s almost no traffic in Park Santiago) are a critera. And he?s sold it that they are making a sacrifice? Please!



If you want to go out and make a difference, go do it, but don?t play me with some bullshit line about how they are trying to give their kids a different life by making a ?sacrifice? and moving to a bad neighborhood when it?s not so.



Also, I don?t begrudge you for having kids, I?d appreciate it if you didn?t begrudge me for not having kids. If you can?t, well, that?s your problem to get over, not mine.



And a point of clarification: The ONLY reason I went back to playing cards was I needed the money to make ends meet when my wife lost her job. I was doing 45 hours a week in my ?straight? job and another 35 at the casino. It was no different than if I took a night job cleaning offices, except the hours were more flexible. Are you giving me shit for taking a second job?
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1245979039][quote author="bkshopr" date=1245978350][quote author="bkshopr" date=1245977372]Park Santiago was once a apart of Floral park until some brainless government planners decided to dig a sunken freeway 5 trench and eliminated many homes by the use of Eminent Domain. This freeway was a vital artery to connecting South OC to LA at Park Santiago and Floral Park's expense. Park Santiago is actually older than FP because half a dozen of houses date back 2 centuries ago. Homes in the neighborhood are mostly beautiful single stories and very different from the pre- cookie cutter 1940's West Floral Park. The architectural styles in PS is very charming and diverse and full of interest. In PS there is an exclusive lawn bowling court and numerous parks connecting to the neighborhood. These parks are not the sterile looking pocket parks but parks that resemble the creation of Frederick Law Olmstead having the picturesque beauty and organic topography.



The Downtown area by the Artist Loft District is artsy and is completely different from the typical OC stereotype. I was attracted to the synergy and had my office there for 3 years.



I would highly encourage IHB members to visit some of these places and this will expand your knowledge and learn about how really the rest of the 99.9% of population really live. I do applaud RC's church mission and one of his pastor considering Santa Ana as his future home and evangelism.



There is a very talented architect name Bob White and he has lived in SA for almost 20 years. He was the brain who created the successful Tuscany architecture on the Irvine Ranch such as Turtle Ridge towers and communities, Crystal Cove, and some Shady Canyon homes. He designed many of the luxury Brookfield Homes. Unfortunately there is only one Mr. White and his architectural contribution was not wide spread across the entire Ranch. He no longer practices in the production home arena. The best designs were created by outsiders who brought their cultural and aesthetic knowledge from having lived in older neighborhoods. OC designers could visit San Marino or Park Santiago for a day but their design will never have the real soul or bone but just a facade makeovers that have very little substance. Mr. White's contribution is dearly missed.</blockquote>


I think RC is trying to say the price he has to pay living in nice Irvine is creating a strain in his emotional, financial, and family life. The thought of living in a less pretentious place such as SA could alleviate so much of his burden. He was trying to create a contrasting environment between Irvine and SA but did not effectively communicate his point across.</blockquote>


I think the problem is that he feels the need to make the point in the first place, as though there isn't any better place in the entire world to live except Irvine. It sounds like he'd be making those sacrifices for some pretty unnecessary reasons and may be trading in some potentially great things for some not so great things in Irvine. Like both no_vas and I have said, he needs to get out more often. I'm not saying he needs to live in Park Santiago, just go out and visit several other communities in Orange County. BTW, BK, would you like to create a contrasting view of Irvine and No. SA? I'd love to see the pro/con list side by side for both.</blockquote>


Do you know that I do not have totally a freedom of speech to express my honest opinion in design. For every negative word that I posted my company revenue drops a notch. For those of you who benefited from my knowledge I have to bear the economic loss. Censorship in our society is alive and well.



Do you think IHB as a whole have the leverage to promote my involvement on new communities in general such as only buy new homes with BK's influence and innovative design? For several years I have listened and breathed the real desire of shoppers like yourself daily. I truly believe that no one else can design a better home to meet the demands of many IHB buyers.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245979557]

Also, I don?t begrudge you...</blockquote>


Well, it's a pretty easy stretch to see that you are one of the founding members of the "IHB - Irvine Haters Blog" faction on IHB, and do begrudge just about everything about Irvine --- and in particular its inhabitants. You have your opinion, that's fine --- but just know that a whole lot people who might call Irvine home have no apologies to make for their contribution to society. You can't broad brush anyone, and more often than not --- you do. Hell, I'm one of those Irvine lovers and even I got off my rear end and spent a day touring North Tustin homes, entirely at the suggestions made by you and Graph. See, I took your suggestion and "got out more". Do the same and recognize that just because someone might like cul de sac's does not make them automatically a self absorbed hypocrite.



I had really planned a nice tidy 750 post exit from IHB, so thanks a lot for making me go over by two this morning. But I'm done now. Enjoy...best of luck to ya all.
 
[quote author="CK" date=1245980519]

I had really planned a nice tidy 750 post exit from IHB, so thanks a lot for making me go over by two this morning. But I'm done now. Enjoy...best of luck to ya all.</blockquote>


No so fast, mister! Where do you think you're going? You did not ask for permission to be excused from this table. You sit your butt right back in that chair!
 
[quote author="CK" date=1245980519]Well, it's a pretty easy stretch to see that you are one of the founding members of the "IHB - Irvine Haters Blog" faction on IHB, and do begrudge just about everything about Irvine --- and in particular its inhabitants.</blockquote>


I don't hate Irvine (okay, okay, the Villages of Columbus I hate because it's a shithole, but outside of that.....) - it's just not for me. I can completely understand why somebody would want to live there. And you are missing the point.............the Pastor is making a statement he's making a sacrifice by 'moving down' to Santa Ana. I call BS.



<blockquote>I had really planned a nice tidy 750 post exit from IHB, so thanks a lot for making me go over by two this morning. But I'm done now. Enjoy...best of luck to ya all.</blockquote>


<span style="font-size: 11px;">Quitter.</span>
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245982920][quote author="CK" date=1245980519]Well, it's a pretty easy stretch to see that you are one of the founding members of the "IHB - Irvine Haters Blog" faction on IHB, and do begrudge just about everything about Irvine --- and in particular its inhabitants.</blockquote>


I don't hate Irvine (okay, okay, the Villages of Columbus I hate because it's a shithole, but outside of that.....) - it's just not for me. I can completely understand why somebody would want to live there. And you are missing the point.............the Pastor is making a statement he's making a sacrifice by 'moving down' to Santa Ana. I call BS.



<blockquote>I had really planned a nice tidy 750 post exit from IHB, so thanks a lot for making me go over by two this morning. But I'm done now. Enjoy...best of luck to ya all.</blockquote>


<span style="font-size: 11px;">Quitter.</span></blockquote>


Ok, one more post --- and I'll buy that you don't *hate* us. But I still think you are being too hard on the Pastor. He's doing *something*. In a world where many do nothing, its a start.



I've been meaning to break my IHB addiction for a while now, nothing to do with this post today. Acutally, I was done yesterday and made the mistake to check it this morning. Just know that I will be lurking....and keeping an eye on you guys to make sure you are not too mean to us Irviners...
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245982920]the Pastor is making a statement he's making a sacrifice by 'moving down' to Santa Ana. I call BS.



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Is it not possible that the pastor never referred to it as a sacrifice but RC just perceives it as one? Maybe he just said that he's moving closer to the outreach program. Who knows, we weren't there. Although, I would not blame the pastor if he felt it was one because anytime you put aside what you really want for your family to serve a purpose for the greater good, it will feel like a personal sacrifice no matter where you're moving from / to. If you felt you had to move here to Irvine despite not wanting to, I'd let you call it a sacrifice, no problem, because it would be one to you. (For Lent, people will give up alcohol. If you told me you gave it up, it would seem like no biggie to me because giving up alcohol to me does not feel like a sacrifice but it might to you.)
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1245979039] I think the problem is that ..., as though there isn't any better place in the entire world to live except Irvine. It sounds like he'd be making those sacrifices for some pretty unnecessary reasons and may be trading in some potentially great things for some not so great things in Irvine. ... I'm not saying he needs to live in Park Santiago, just go out and visit several other communities in Orange County. ..</blockquote>


I haven't scanned the entire world, but given my family situation, Irvine IS the better place to live. I like to live in Monaco, but it is not going to happen right now, I like to live in sonoma valley, that is not going to happen either. CK probably did his evaluation, and he decided Irvine is his dream.



I lived in several cities in south County in the last ten plus years - Laguna Niguel, Ladera Ranch, and now Irvine. For my family, Irvine is the best place for the following reasons in no particular orders:

1. centrally located, and 15 mins I can get to most of the places I want to go.

2. good and consistent school district

3. easy access to airport - i can leave my house one hour ahead of the flight, and still make the flight

4. many parks / pools I can take my kids to - I won't want a pool in the backyard for safety reasons.

5. on relative scale, Irvine is among the safest

6. Personally, I believe Irvine company's presence helps resale value relatively to most cities in OC.

7. I like the trees and grand entrance of the community villages and my 35 x 50 yard.

8. On average, by my experiences, my Irvine neighbours are more down to earth then my previous neighbours.

9. Flat - so I can bike with my kids every Sat. and Sun morning, hopping from park to park.

10. Those people who call me "want to be", or "snobbish" or "in mental bubble" are not my neighbours.



everyone has their own criteria, just because it is DIFFERENT then mine, doesn't mean they are in mental bubbles. At least, I won't teach my kids to think this way.



Enjoy your home, wherever they are!
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1245984059][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1245982920]the Pastor is making a statement he's making a sacrifice by 'moving down' to Santa Ana. I call BS.



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Is it not possible that the pastor never referred to it as a sacrifice but RC just perceives it as one?</blockquote>


Absolutely, and I'm certain that's exactly the case. Note:



[quote author="roundcorners" date=1245967345]The initiative really touched me. What I like about our church is that our leaders don?t just preach about helping the poor at the margins of society they actually live it out.</blockquote>


Also note the guilt laden poll questions. RC is struggling with a perceived issue because he perceives the Pastor is doing something inspirational by moving from the perceived upper middle class Irvine to the depths of the underbelly of - gasp - Park Santiago. The reality is the Pastor is swapping one isolated quiet middle class neighborhood for another of similar quality - sans the "Irvine" stamp of purity.



I'm anxious to see why RC thinks he's moving to the ghetto. I'll bet a round of drinks (ha!) it's because the Pastor sold it that he was. RC put way too much effort into this series of polls and his responses to misinterpreted this. IMO.
 
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