Irvine Company to donate 20,000 acres to OC parks

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[quote author="ABC123" date=1252746307]Some conservation is better than no conservation, but I have to agree with Nude. Driving south to Laguna Beach was so much more enjoyable before the establishment of yet another Trader Joes, Starbucks, Pier One, however what would the yuppie and want-to-be-yuppie singles do without Javiers and Mastros?</blockquote>


That means you remember the days of the... wild animal park. Yes, it was nice back then to see... nature off to the side of the freeway. Now... we have starbucks and stucco boxes... awesome. Do you remember what it was like before Aliso Viejo? I do. Man... what about RSM? I could go on... but then I sound like a NIMBY, but it isn't my backyard, so do what you want.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1252775755][quote author="ABC123" date=1252746307]Some conservation is better than no conservation, but I have to agree with Nude. Driving south to Laguna Beach was so much more enjoyable before the establishment of yet another Trader Joes, Starbucks, Pier One, however what would the yuppie and want-to-be-yuppie singles do without Javiers and Mastros?</blockquote>


That means you remember the days of the... wild animal park. Yes, it was nice back then to see... nature off to the side of the freeway. Now... we have starbucks and stucco boxes... awesome. Do you remember what it was like before Aliso Viejo? I do. Man... what about RSM? I could go on... but then I sound like a NIMBY, but it isn't my backyard, so do what you want.</blockquote>


Pfft, I remember strawberry fields across the street from South Coast Plaza. And it was Lion Country Safari.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1252776793][quote author="graphrix" date=1252775755][quote author="ABC123" date=1252746307]Some conservation is better than no conservation, but I have to agree with Nude. Driving south to Laguna Beach was so much more enjoyable before the establishment of yet another Trader Joes, Starbucks, Pier One, however what would the yuppie and want-to-be-yuppie singles do without Javiers and Mastros?</blockquote>


That means you remember the days of the... wild animal park <strong>(lion country safari... I'm old and can't remember names, let alone businesses from the 90s... like Club Mesa.)</strong>. Yes, it was nice back then to see... nature off to the side of the freeway. Now... we have starbucks and stucco boxes... awesome. Do you remember what it was like before Aliso Viejo? I do. Man... what about RSM? I could go on... but then I sound like a NIMBY, but it isn't my backyard, so do what you want.</blockquote>


Pfft, I remember strawberry fields across the street from South Coast Plaza. And it was Lion Country Safari.</blockquote>


Don't you even bring up the days of strawberry fields... around South Coast... I remember when my dad had freeway views for his business, that were taken over by condos during the last bubble in CM... Yeah... we are old school. We need to teach the new kids and remind the old farts what the 90s were like. It seems the old ones forgot, and they think we are bitter, but we know better... we remember, we know what it was like back then. I only feel sorry for those now, because it is a whole hell of a lot worse than we went through. Aerospace jobs and manufacturing jobs were lost then, but it is NO where near as bad as it is now, and the job numbers show it. It is like 93 all over again, except back then there was job growth. Today... not so much. Too bad no one else will see it for what it is. Hey... you remember Kathryn Thompson? I do! So does Ray over at Blightwater in Huntington Beach.



Wash, Rinse, and Repeat... it really is happening all over again... only this time it is worse. Back then there were only a fraction of one armed blind monkeys that were in the lending business... this time it was 5 times as bad.



Right... I am doom and gloom... go research the past and see if I am really that bad, because I am not. DOPES!
 
I'm so old old I remember actual orange groves in Orange County. I remember my mom driving me to Tustin and loving the smell of orange blossoms in the spring. I can't wait for <a href="http://www.tustinca.org/departments/parksrec/citrusranchpark.html">Citrus Ranch Park</a> in Tustin to open so I can rekindle some of my memories.
 
Here's the real deal - TIC has a ranch, called OC. They could have built on much more of it but didn't. Sure, some of it is less buildable than others, but in newport Coast they simply extended Newport south and Laguna north. I hike in El Moro Canyone all the time, and the toll road is a much bigger problem than the TIC housing. Laguna may look pretty, but they walled off beach and views and access, from Abalone Point a good ways south. TIC would have been fiscally insane not to develop in Newport Coast, and remember - they didn't do the building. I hate the stucco stain and the totally mundane Xerox copied McMansions, but those developments are not blocking anyone from the beach. I've lived here for decades, and used to ride horses down there and have BB gun wars and hunt lizards off San Miguel Road, and I DO hate how much of Newport has changed. The pink condo abominations between Jamboree and MacArthur, apartment prisons crowding Macarthur and Ford, the transformation of Bonita Canyon from a dusty two-lane to the thoroughfare it is now, etc. Point is, development is inevitable, and at least TIC does set aside land for parks and wildlife, and build environmentally friendly features into their developments.
 
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