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07/20/2009

Irvine Company is looking to spur homebuilding on its land with a shift in strategy, according to real estate industry sources.



The company plans to pay builders to put up houses in Irvine and retain ownership of the land and homes until they?re sold to buyers, sources said.



Irvine Co. declined to comment on the speculation.



Under what?s being called an "executive builder program," homebuilders would work like general contractors without an ownership stake in the homes they put up, sources said.



The practice has been used before by large land developers.



It?s a shift from years past, when homebuilders would pay top dollar for Irvine Co. lots and then build and sell their own homes.



But with few homebuilders buying land for homes during the downturn, the program allows Irvine Co. to continue development plans, sources said.



"The biggest ramification is that they would start construction on the Irvine Ranch again," said John Burns, founder and Chief Executive of Irvine-based John Burns Real Estate Consulting Inc.



Under the plan, homebuilders would be paid a percentage of a home?s sales price for their work, sources said. They put that rate at 3% to 6% of the home?s price.



Irvine Co. would finance construction loans, they said.



The executive builder program is expected to start on upcoming phases of Irvine Co.?s Woodbury and Woodbury East developments.



The program also could be used as Irvine Co. moves ahead on its delayed Orchard Hills development planned east of Orange and Anaheim Hills, according to sources.



At least six homebuilders have been tapped for the program, according to sources.



They?re said to include three homebuilders that have built on Irvine Co. land before: Fairfax, Va.-based Brookfield Homes Corp., Los Angeles-based KB Home and Denver-based Richmond American Homes, part of MDC Holdings Inc.



Another is Riverside-based Van Daele Homes.



Startup Builders



Two others are said to be startups formed by former executives of Irvine-based John Laing Homes and William Lyon Homes Inc. of Newport Beach.



One is said to be a company started by Lawrence "Larry" Webb, the former chief executive of John Laing Homes.



Like most large California land owners of late, Irvine Co. has seen housing construction slow and land sales crawl to a halt amid the downturn and financial trouble at homebuilders.



In the past, Irvine Co. set up deals that proved profitable during good times and that also shielded the master developer from harm in the event of a downturn, sources said.



Typically, companies tapped to build at Irvine Co. developments closed escrow on land immediately, well before construction started. The builders maintained ownership of the land throughout the construction process, building to Irvine Co. specifications.



Along with being paid for the land, Irvine Co. reportedly shared in profits after builders sold finished homes.



The new program could work for Irvine Co. and builders during what?s expected to be a continued slow market for new homes in the county.



Builders have had trouble getting bank financing for projects. Having Irvine Co. as financier would take away much of the upfront risk, according to Barry Gross, president of Irvine-based consulting firm Developers Research LLC.



While profits might be lower than what builders saw during the peak a few years ago, the income would be welcome in today?s housing market, most sources said.



In the case of the companies Webb and the former Lyon executives are believed to be starting, getting their homes featured on Irvine Co. developments could help generate interest elsewhere.



For Irvine Co., the program should allow it to generate activity on its developments, unlike other developers that have seen big OC projects stall.



Because Irvine Co. already owns the land, the program isn?t as much of a financial strain for the company as it would be for other developers, sources said.



Irvine Holding Up



Even in a down housing market, lots in Irvine are among the strongest sellers.



At the July 11 opening of Irvine Co.?s new Woodbury East community, William Lyon Homes reported quick sales at the first phase of its Ivy development.



The 13 smaller-size townhomes put up for sale by the builder--which start in the $300,000s and top out at 1,500 square feet--sold 15 minutes after the first model home opened its doors, according to reports.



Ivy isn?t being financed under the new program. Future parts of Woodbury East are expected to be.



Woodbury East, which is off the Santa Ana (I-5) Freeway and near Sand Canyon and Trabuco roads, is expected to hold 500 homes upon completion. The next phase of homes at Lyon?s Ivy project is expected to be released for sale soon.
 
[quote author="Fishy333" date=1248157789]Orange County Business Journal



07/20/2009

Irvine Company is looking to spur homebuilding on its land with a shift in strategy, according to real estate industry sources.



The company plans to pay builders to put up houses in Irvine and retain ownership of the land and homes until they?re sold to buyers, sources said.



Irvine Co. declined to comment on the speculation.



Under what?s being called an "executive builder program," homebuilders would work like general contractors without an ownership stake in the homes they put up, sources said.



The practice has been used before by large land developers.



It?s a shift from years past, when homebuilders would pay top dollar for Irvine Co. lots and then build and sell their own homes.



But with few homebuilders buying land for homes during the downturn, the program allows Irvine Co. to continue development plans, sources said.



"The biggest ramification is that they would start construction on the Irvine Ranch again," said John Burns, founder and Chief Executive of Irvine-based John Burns Real Estate Consulting Inc.



Under the plan, homebuilders would be paid a percentage of a home?s sales price for their work, sources said. They put that rate at 3% to 6% of the home?s price.



Irvine Co. would finance construction loans, they said.



The executive builder program is expected to start on upcoming phases of Irvine Co.?s Woodbury and Woodbury East developments.



The program also could be used as Irvine Co. moves ahead on its delayed Orchard Hills development planned east of Orange and Anaheim Hills, according to sources.



At least six homebuilders have been tapped for the program, according to sources.



They?re said to include three homebuilders that have built on Irvine Co. land before: Fairfax, Va.-based Brookfield Homes Corp., Los Angeles-based KB Home and Denver-based Richmond American Homes, part of MDC Holdings Inc.



Another is Riverside-based Van Daele Homes.



Startup Builders



Two others are said to be startups formed by former executives of Irvine-based John Laing Homes and William Lyon Homes Inc. of Newport Beach.



One is said to be a company started by Lawrence "Larry" Webb, the former chief executive of John Laing Homes.



Like most large California land owners of late, Irvine Co. has seen housing construction slow and land sales crawl to a halt amid the downturn and financial trouble at homebuilders.



In the past, Irvine Co. set up deals that proved profitable during good times and that also shielded the master developer from harm in the event of a downturn, sources said.



Typically, companies tapped to build at Irvine Co. developments closed escrow on land immediately, well before construction started. The builders maintained ownership of the land throughout the construction process, building to Irvine Co. specifications.



Along with being paid for the land, Irvine Co. reportedly shared in profits after builders sold finished homes.



The new program could work for Irvine Co. and builders during what?s expected to be a continued slow market for new homes in the county.



Builders have had trouble getting bank financing for projects. Having Irvine Co. as financier would take away much of the upfront risk, according to Barry Gross, president of Irvine-based consulting firm Developers Research LLC.



While profits might be lower than what builders saw during the peak a few years ago, the income would be welcome in today?s housing market, most sources said.



In the case of the companies Webb and the former Lyon executives are believed to be starting, getting their homes featured on Irvine Co. developments could help generate interest elsewhere.



For Irvine Co., the program should allow it to generate activity on its developments, unlike other developers that have seen big OC projects stall.



Because Irvine Co. already owns the land, the program isn?t as much of a financial strain for the company as it would be for other developers, sources said.



Irvine Holding Up



Even in a down housing market, lots in Irvine are among the strongest sellers.



At the July 11 opening of Irvine Co.?s new Woodbury East community, William Lyon Homes reported quick sales at the first phase of its Ivy development.



The 13 smaller-size townhomes put up for sale by the builder--which start in the $300,000s and top out at 1,500 square feet--sold 15 minutes after the first model home opened its doors, according to reports.



Ivy isn?t being financed under the new program. Future parts of Woodbury East are expected to be.



Woodbury East, which is off the Santa Ana (I-5) Freeway and near Sand Canyon and Trabuco roads, is expected to hold 500 homes upon completion. The next phase of homes at Lyon?s Ivy project is expected to be released for sale soon.</blockquote>
Smart idea, TIC provides seller financing and earns that much more on the land. Makes sense as it is almost impossible to find a residential construction loan from banks nowadays.
 
Rent a builder! Thanks Irvine company as this is going to be a slow train wreck that i am really going to enjoy watching.
 
13 buyers for Ivy have confirmed the turning point for economic recovery. TIC's massive PR campaign resulted in 790 entries by searching "13 buyers Ivy Lyon Woodbury East Irvine" combined keywords on Google. Even a Chinese paper oversea picked up the headline.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1248165437]13 buyers for Ivy have confirmed the turning point for economic recovery. TIC's massive PR campaign resulted in 790 entries by searching "13 buyers Ivy Lyon Woodbury East Irvine" combined keywords on Google. Even a Chinese paper oversea picked up the headline.</blockquote>


790 entries? Entries for what?
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1248169031][quote author="bkshopr" date=1248165437]13 buyers for Ivy have confirmed the turning point for economic recovery. TIC's massive PR campaign resulted in 790 entries by searching "13 buyers Ivy Lyon Woodbury East Irvine" combined keywords on Google. Even a Chinese paper oversea picked up the headline.</blockquote>


790 entries? Entries for what?</blockquote>


Sorry not entries but search engine results.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1248165437]13 buyers for Ivy have confirmed the turning point for economic recovery. TIC's massive PR campaign resulted in 790 entries by searching "13 buyers Ivy Lyon Woodbury East Irvine" combined keywords on Google. Even a Chinese paper oversea picked up the headline.</blockquote>


I will bet the IHB turns up on those searches....
 
I wonder if my post, <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/blog/comments/lakeside-woodbridge-irvine/">How Are Irvine New Homes Priced?</a>, had anything to do with the article?



Fishy333,



Do you work with the Irvine Company? It is OK if you do.
 
Newbies with long post and informative content are rare. They often ask question like what is Mello Roos, when they should buy or what we think about the listings?



I compiled a list of recent one hit wonder newbies.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1248170840]Newbies with long post and informative content are rare. They often ask question like what is Mello Roos, when they should buy or what we think about the listings?



I compiled a list of recent one hit wonder newbies.</blockquote>
Post up the list. For the record, I interviewed for a position with TIC back in the day but opted to work at a life insurance company.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1248170959][quote author="bkshopr" date=1248170840]Newbies with long post and informative content are rare. They often ask question like what is Mello Roos, when they should buy or what we think about the listings?



I compiled a list of recent one hit wonder newbies.</blockquote>
Post up the list. For the record, I interviewed for a position with TIC back in the day but opted to work at a life insurance company.</blockquote>


Start Here: <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424">http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424</a>
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1248171710]

Start Here: <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424">http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424</a></blockquote>


Are you saying that user, IrvineHomes, is not Ms. Chavez, who writes the Irvine Homes Blog? Do you think it's an imposter? I thought it was her.
 
13 sales that have not closed does not make a good market. The people who bought can be fickle and in this economy there will be a good share of cancellations which they will not tell you about and they will have to resell these homes many times.
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1248172495][quote author="bkshopr" date=1248171710]

Start Here: <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424">http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424</a></blockquote>


Are you saying that user, IrvineHomes, is not Ms. Chavez, who writes the Irvine Homes Blog? Do you think it's an imposter? I thought it was her.</blockquote>


Guess who is the big sponsor of OC Register? OC Register rarely publish name of project involved in crime scenes?
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1248173504][quote author="SoCal78" date=1248172495][quote author="bkshopr" date=1248171710]

Start Here: <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424">http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424</a></blockquote>


Are you saying that user, IrvineHomes, is not Ms. Chavez, who writes the Irvine Homes Blog? Do you think it's an imposter? I thought it was her.</blockquote>


Guess who is the big sponsor of OC Register? OC Register rarely publish name of project involved in crime scenes?</blockquote>


I'm not at all sure what you're implying here. Care to clarify?
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1248172495][quote author="bkshopr" date=1248171710]

Start Here: <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424">http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/5225/P100/#117424</a></blockquote>


Are you saying that user, IrvineHomes, is not Ms. Chavez, who writes the Irvine Homes Blog? Do you think it's an imposter? I thought it was her.</blockquote>
Not an impostor, I can assure you...I may not comment often but I am a longtime lurker and often link to IHB posts at Irvine Homes.
 
Irvine Homes (Erika) is not a troll. I do think she gets some of her story ideas from the IHB, but there's nothing wrong with that. The more people who put a magnifying glass on Irvine RE, the better. And for a corporate blog, she can be surprisingly critical of her advertisers, including builders, realtors and the IPSF Raffle. Compare that to the "Irvine Retail" blog over there, which never ate at a restaurant it didn't think was fantastic.



"Marsha Marsha Marsha," on the other hand, is a complete and total troll. She starts threads by throwing out a wild supposition, then just sits backs and enjoys the pages of responses, without ever posting on the thread again.
 
[quote author="jumpcut" date=1248207074]Irvine Homes (Erika) is not a troll. I do think she gets some of her story ideas from the IHB, but there's nothing wrong with that. The more people who put a magnifying glass on Irvine RE, the better. And for a corporate blog, she can be surprisingly critical of her advertisers, including builders, realtors and the IPSF Raffle. </blockquote>


I have encouraged Erika to come here and participate. I am glad she is here. The bigger the conversation about Irvine RE the better.
 
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