Interesting Slate.com article on OC Housing

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
<p>NIR, </p>

<p>You should post the inside info you have. If we had access to that info we would post it. This is one of the reasons why we complain that the public should have access to this information. It only harms the public when they lack access to information as important as rent skimming and inflated purchase prices. Everytime you post this type of information you gain more respect from me because you are doing what you are supposed to which is disclose the truth. Many in your industry would just hide it or would be completely clueless to it.</p>

<p>IR,</p>

<p>I need to read that book. Taking the psychological side out of trading is by far the hardest thing to do. A friend of mine and I discuss trading regularly and we both say take emotion out and move on. But we both do it and he has about five years more experience in trading than I do. In fact I still hold PPHM even though the numbers are not there. I make excuses like it is a local company and what they do could have a significant impact in the medical world blah blah. Then there are times when I feel that a trade has further to go like my HOV puts but I hit my profit level on Thursday and sold most of them. Friday they continued up and this is what makes you think "if I only waited" but this isn't the norm. Like you said people selectively remember the up scenarios more than the down even when the down is more the norm regarding the fundamentals. </p>

<p>With housing what is different is how many different facets of psychology and how many different levels they have an effect on from the land seller all the way down to the home buyer. Maybe there are as many levels in the financial markets but I have done the research on housing. I know I mentioned to you that I like to continue my education by taking a class every semester. Last semester I took <a href="http://www1.socccd.cc.ca.us/eservices/ClassDetail.asp?sectionID=62730A&termid=20073">social psychology at IVC</a> with Dr. Tucker for the instructor. This class by the way was one of the best I have ever taken at a community college because it was on par to a University level course which in my experience isn't the norm. I highly recommend to anyone who can squeeze an extra 8 hours of your week to take this class even if you have taken social psychology before. Anyway the point I was headed to is the paper I wrote for the class was on the psychology of housing. Even I was surprised by how many psychological traits I cited with real life examples. One study I read for the paper was "Mental Contamination and Mental Correction: Unwanted Influences on Judgments and Evaluations." by Brekke and Wilson. It proved how people would be told to ignore negative information easily ignored it and even when they weren't told to ignore it they still did. With the positive information even when they were told to ignore it they wouldn't and that positive info that was to be ignored replaced the negative info they were told was essential. The comments by Nick are clear signs of "overly optimistic probabilty bias" and I cited similar scenarios as his in the paper. I also cited IHB as an alternative media source and how the gains in traffic show an increased demand for more information. I hope Dr. Tucker came by and read some of your posts. I did get an A on the paper and Dr. Tucker commented that she had gained some new knowledge from it. I know I gained a better understanding on just how messed up the market really is. </p>
 
<em>"One study I read for the paper was "Mental Contamination and Mental Correction: Unwanted Influences on Judgments and Evaluations." by Brekke and Wilson."</em>





If you have read a paper on this topic already, the Mark Douglas books will really resonate with you. I just finished the books, and it caused me to go flat on all my positions and take some time to really observe the market (that and I was stopped out on all my longs during the last few days ).





I am going to take some time to simply observe my own mental processes when I am both in a position and flat. I have already noticed the degree of contamination I carry is surprisingly strong. I have been trading mechanically for almost 5 years mostly as a mechanism to "get around" my own mental demons and emotional barriers. Mechanical trading works, and I will probably always do it because it does work and it takes no effort, but I would really like to transcend my emotional blocks and take trading to the next level.





BTW, is that paper you mentioned available online, or could you email me a PDF of it?
 
I read, "take the emotion out of the trade", all the time. <b>BUT</b>, I have never read anyone tell how to do that. Personally, I can not detach myself from my emotions very often, especially as they relate to money, so many times when I notice I am feeling fear, panic, or greed, I walk away from the keyboard and experience the emotions without access to the "submit" button.<p><p>



The tough aspect to walking away is recognizing the emotion in the first place. This past week was especially tough in this regard. Builders were moving down and financials were moving down even on the days the overall market was moving up, and my shorts were exploding. It was all happening so fast, I <b>felt</b> like I had to do something. It is quite difficult to not react and walk away, and I am not good at it yet. Maybe never.
 
<p>I think that sometimes you have to trade by your gut. I agree mechanical trading works very well and for the most part I use it as well. But there are trades I make where I use my gut but I also know that something real is going to make it move more. The best examples are NEW which I knew wasn't done going down and I didn't expect it to go down as much as did. The other is HOV when the Buffett rumor came out. After I cleaned up the water off my computer screen that I spit out I did some research and concluded that my gut was right. Buffett buys value companies and HOV doesn't have any value. The $15 strike put was trading at $.30 and at that price buying 10 of them was a no brainer. I can't wait to hear their numbers. Eric Bolling on CNBC's Fast Money said "that the builders are not at their lows until one of them goes BK and we know we will have one soon". I don't know if it will be HOV but their numbers last quarter saw the most rapid descent compared to the rest. WCI could beat them but I don't think of them as national but more of a Florida condo bagholder. As for my recent bad trades PPHM is one of them and when I first started playing with the VIX I lost some money. </p>

<p>Anyway the pdf link for that study is <a href="http://people.virginia.edu/~tdw/wilson.centerbar.brekke.contam.pdf">here</a> and the main page is <a href="http://jonathan.mueller.faculty.noctrl.edu/crow/articles.htm">here</a>. Another good site is <a href="http://www.cbdr.cmu.edu/papers/">here</a> and the papers by <a href="http://www.cbdr.cmu.edu/papers/author_search.asp?author=loewenstein">Loewenstein</a> are some the best. Many of the papers by Loewenstein are by request and it takes about 3-5 days for them to email them. Email me first with the title and I will check if I have it. After this I will email you the paper I wrote for the class. </p>
 
awgee,





The Mark Douglas books I linked to in the other thread proposes a methodology for getting "in the zone" when it comes to trading. I am going to work with the tools he suggests for a while and see if it improves my clarity of thought and judgment.





I joined a <a href="http://www.tradethemarkets.com/">live trading room</a> a few weeks ago to watch a couple of professional futures trader practice their craft. They recommended the Mark Douglas books as it was an epiphany for them in achieving the state-of-mind necessary to trade successfully. It has been enlightening to watch these guys off and on during the trading day. They are never stressed about a trade, they have no attachment to market action, and they consistently make money.





There are a lot of people who go to the trading room simply to watch and emulate their trades. In fact, they have complained about not getting filled on a few trades because people in the room "front run" them, but they are making so much money, they don't do anything to stop it.





Watching the "traders mind" being modeled by these guys have been a great learning tool. It makes me realize that the success I have had with my mechanical systems is a compensation for not having the proper emotional control. Achieving the state of mind of complete market neutrality and objectivity is necessary to take it to the next level. I have no idea whether or not I will get there myself, but that is what I am striving for.
 
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