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<p>What?! That's not what my realtor said... How could it possibly go down?!</p>

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Cash is a GREAT thing to have at the bottom of a big recession. Any and every larger business carries lines of credit, willingly accepting the resultant costs, so that if they need cash they can get it. Ipo's house losses won't change based on the size of his loan. He'll pay for the loan, just like businesses do, but there's an excellent chance he'll find a use for the money that justifies the loss.
 
too often the "i can generate greater returns than current mortgage rates" argument is used to justify people taking on a mortgage, borrowing against equity, or not paying down an existing mortgage. but i'm still waiting for an explanation of how a mortgage is considered investment leverage to begin with. it's an expense, pure and simple. the quicker you get rid of that expense, the better off you are. leverage is only beneficial if you can put the total sum of your principal and debt to work, i.e. it increases your earnings power.





now if you could take 100k and a bank would loan you 400k to do with as you please, that's what i would call the power of leverage. it's using debt to earn on a higher basis amount than your own principal would allow. you're earning on 500k and owing on 400k, nevermind the rate of return vs cost of debt.





but in reality it's more like this: you lock up your 100k completely, borrow 400k, owe on 400k. and then you are left to either earn returns on whatever you have left over after paying off the debt or put it toward paying down the debt. in this scenario i fail to see how the debt has increased your earnings power. we're taking about returns you can make on $500 per month and ignoring the $2000 per month beast in the room. as IR and graph pointed out, slaying the beast first comes out to your advantage more often than not.





of course, the missing part of the puzzle is you that the debt allows you to live in a house you could otherwise not afford. that's where the power of the leverage is going. so i think the whole argument is moot. love the house that you live in and forget the arbitrage!
 
<p><em>"Ipo's house losses won't change based on the size of his loan."</em></p>

<p>Not true. When levered is is possible to lose 100% or more of your equity.</p>
 
<p>Mortgage rates are seriously whacky. There is practically no spread between conforming and jumbo ARMs right now:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.mtgcapital.com/ratesheet-adjustable.html?state=ca&rs=adjustable">http://www.mtgcapital.com/ratesheet-adjustable.html?state=ca&rs=adjustable</a></p>

<p>Also, 30-years are around the same rate as 3/1 ARMs. Amazing...</p>
 
Have you ever heard of a single FABULOUSLY wealthy person who did it by NOT employing leverage? I wasn't talking about you, IR, a mere tenant. <teasing> I'm talkin' the Big Dogs. I agree that for the average one-piece-of-real-estate-owning consumer, paying off the mortgage is, um, comforting.
 
I have heard of fabulously wealthy persons who did not employ leverage <em>on their personal residence</em>. In fact, some of the very wealthy people I have met in my life have no personal debt at all. All of them use debt in their businesses, but they compartmentalize that debt to the business and never personally guarantee anything. There is a big difference.
 
<p>Re "No one ever got fabulously wealthy by paying off debt."</p>

<p>Isn't that exactly how all the boomers did it? Bought a house long ago, did the 15 or 30 year fixed, and camped in it? Then it's their retirement nest egg?</p>
 
Re "No one ever got fabulously wealthy by paying off debt."





And it's impossible to go legally bankrupt without some form of debt. You have to look at both sides of the curve and depending on your outlook the glass will be half empty or half full. It's a classic long tail (a few fabulously rich people) vs. fat head (a lot of bankrupt losers).
 
SoCalGal,



Warren Buffet did not use leverage and look at him now. The richest person in the world. Bill Gates also didn't use leverage -- of course he came from a wealthy family.



Read Buffet's book - The American Capitalist. Great read.
 
I have a few wealthy clients. None of them have a mortgage. We have more a than a few wealthy friends. I do not remember any of them telling me whether they have a mortgage or not.<p>

Read, "The Millionaire Next Door". I think you will find that it is a complete fallacy that most or all folks use leverage to obtain long term wealth.
 
<p><em>Have you ever heard of a single FABULOUSLY wealthy person who did it by NOT employing leverage?</em></p>

<p>I think some of the Waltons and the Chinese woman who was recent at the top of the Forbes list all inherited theirs. There are more, but they don't come to mind right now.</p>
 
Just a thought ... For most folks, leverage is more likely to guide towards insolvency than towards fabulous wealth. Just a thought.
 
awgee, I saw an infomercial the other night for something called Optionetics and they assured me that leverage was the way to big bucks!
 
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