ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 13 31.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 23 54.8%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Total voters
    42
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nosuchreality said:
Can't fix stupid. In this case that's buying $115K vehicle and not installing a $500 Level 2 electrical outlet to charge it overnight. The hummer has a 212 Kwh capacity. So even run dry is just an overnight charge.
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Playing devil's advocate here, but even charging at 48A at home, you'll only get about 11.5kWh per hour. So you wouldn't be able to fully charge the Hummer from 0 to 100% overnight.
 
hurijo said:
Playing devil's advocate here, but even charging at 48A at home, you'll only get about 11.5kWh per hour. So you wouldn't be able to fully charge the Hummer from 0 to 100% overnight.
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That is one inefficient EV truck getting around 300 miles on 200 kwh battery size. Mind as well drive ICE truck.

Assuming it costs 30 cents per kwh, that’s $60 fully charge. For that price, I’ll get a Tundra.
 
Working ducky….coming to your local charging station (or your home) soon…

New peak rates mean charging electric cars more expensive than petrol

Rapid charge points cost nearly £10 more than filling up a traditional car

New peak pricing at electric car chargepoints can leave consumers worse off than if they stuck to traditional petrol-engined vehicles, according to new analysis from the AA.

Previous analysis by motoring organisations has showed the cost of charging electric vehicles has soared in recent months, driven by rising energy prices partly triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last February.

Rapid charge points used by motorists topping up on long drives are now nearly £10 more expensive than filling up a car with petrol, the RAC revealed last week.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/c...mean-charging-electric-cars-expensive-petrol/
 
At least teslas don’t run on natural gas. Then for sure it would cost more to recharge to a “full tank” than regular gas. My socal gas bill is going to be almost $600 next month. In the summer it’s like $60. Crazy.
 
qwerty said:
At least teslas don’t run on natural gas. Then for sure it would cost more to recharge to a “full tank” than regular gas. My socal gas bill is going to be almost $600 next month. In the summer it’s like $60. Crazy.
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Ouch, $600 for home natural gas! I guess I shouldn't be so emotional about my $200 gas bill.

In 2021 SCE used natural gas to generate no less than 22.3% of the power delivered to customers, so if you trace the electricity to the generation source, EVs owned by SCE's customers ran partially on natural gas generated electricity.

https://www.sce.com/sites/default/files/custom-files/Web files/2021 Power Content Label.pdf
 
those energy price hikes will be here soon Enough, we’re on the same dumb track as the Europeans if we stay here. It’s the old bait and switch, works every time on a gullible public.🤦🏽‍♂️🙄😆
 
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qwerty said:
At least teslas don’t run on natural gas. Then for sure it would cost more to recharge to a “full tank” than regular gas. My socal gas bill is going to be almost $600 next month. In the summer it’s like $60. Crazy.
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Q how does this happen? Do you keep your house heated to 72 degrees 24/7? We use the heat in the early morning and late evening (when it's coldest) then turn it off, but I just got my bill and it was only $78, typically it's around $15 but how do you get to $600 !?!?
 
aquabliss said:
Q how does this happen? Do you keep your house heated to 72 degrees 24/7? We use the heat in the early morning and late evening (when it's coldest) then turn it off, but I just got my bill and it was only $78, typically it's around $15 but how do you get to $600 !?!?
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We have two heaters, upstairs and downstairs and both are set to 74-75 at night in the winter. If we don’t heat the downstairs the cold air goes up to the second floor and then the second floor heater just stays on all the time and it gets too hot. We only do this in the winter months (November - February) or so. During the day I work downstairs and don’t use the heater. My wife works upstairs and does use the the heat periodically throughout the day. The main issue is the natural gas shortage. At least that is what SoCal gas is telling its customers. They are paying substantially more and are just passing it along to the customers. There was a discussion on this on next door and some people’s bills were $800 to $1200. I feel bad for the average person living check to check
 
qwerty said:
We have two heaters, upstairs and downstairs and both are set to 74-75 at night in the winter. If we don’t heat the downstairs the cold air goes up to the second floor and then the second floor heater just stays on all the time and it gets too hot. We only do this in the winter months (November - February) or so. During the day I work downstairs and don’t use the heater. My wife works upstairs and does use the the heat periodically throughout the day. The main issue is the natural gas shortage. At least that is what SoCal gas is telling its customers. They are paying substantially more and are just passing it along to the customers. There was a discussion on this on next door and some people’s bills were $800 to $1200. I feel bad for the average person living check to check
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Wow, you guys like it HOT... we set our heater to 67 and sometimes I feel like that is too hot for me. I'm sure we all are paying the same high rate per therm but ya setting it at 75 will get you. I guess I'm thankful my family doesn't mind the cold like me.

I've seen the posts on Nextdoor too. People complaining that they are bundled in sweaters and blankets all day and still pay $400 gas bill lol.
 
Yeah... I don't get the whole SoCalGas thing... there should be a cap on how much they can pass the cost to the consumers... over double the bill is killer for many people.

But... this just goes to why we should be shifting to renewable energy sources. If qwerheater had solar + batteries... he can run those electric heaters all night for near zero cost. :)

It's not just about climate change... it's also about fossil fuel independence.
 
aquabliss said:
Wow, you guys like it HOT... we set our heater to 67 and sometimes I feel like that is too hot for me. I'm sure we all are paying the same high rate per therm but ya setting it at 75 will get you. I guess I'm thankful my family doesn't mind the cold like me.

I've seen the posts on Nextdoor too. People complaining that they are bundled in sweaters and blankets all day and still pay $400 gas bill lol.
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Yeah, 74-75 is like WAY too hot. I set our heater to 68 whenever the temperature drops below 62. And only when our son is not home. His room is warmer than the rest of the house, so if I turned on the heater, he would be cooking in there. :ROFLMAO:

And we NEVER turn on the heater at night because the air gets too dry, and since we're inside our beds, there's no point. But the most important thing is that we use electric blanket, so my wife is plenty warm. It's a good thing the electric blanket has a different setting for each side, because I don't really like it too warm.

Also, since my wife is the only one that really hates the cold, she got that radiator from Costco and carries it around with her everywhere she goes in the house. 😂
 
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irvinehomeowner said:
Yeah... I don't get the whole SoCalGas thing... there should be a cap on how much they can pass the cost to the consumers... over double the bill is killer for many people.

But... this just goes to why we should be shifting to renewable energy sources. If qwerheater had solar + batteries... he can run those electric heaters all night for near zero cost. :)

It's not just about climate change... it's also about fossil fuel independence.
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I actually hate the gas heater because it makes the air dry.

When I was living in Sweden, we had those metal plates with water circulating inside. During the summer, the plates are cool, but during the winter it would circulate hot water. I think they use the same thing in the East Coast where it's really cold.
 
I dont even use a blanket to sleep it’s already warm enough. I definitely prefer it colder but my wife likes it warmer and needless to say I alway lose. Eventually people will vote their pockets once they realize going green costs too much money :-)

I’m with morekaos on this one, drill baby drill!!! Newsoms plan will just be to tax the high earners and give out winter heating checks to all Californians making less than $200k. In the summer he will dole out summer season gasoline checks, egg checks etc.
 
Pining for the good old days when we were drilling so much nat gas that they had to set it on fire at the wellhead cause we had too much…Pre-Brandon…let’s get back to that! Drill baby Drill!!

Flaring natural gas turns 'drill, baby, drill' to 'burn, baby, burn'​

Oil companies are still allowed to waste fuel that's enough to power millions of homes and cars every day:​


The process is called flaring — the burning at the wellhead of unwanted natural gas, principally methane, that's a byproduct of oil extraction. It's a shameful waste in the United States, where oil field flaring increased by 48% from 2017 to 2018 and is rising precipitously this year.

Each day, flaring in the shale oil fields of North Dakota and South Texas squanders 1.15 billion cubic feet of natural gas, the analytics firm Rystad Energy estimates. That's the equivalent of powering 4 million homes or driving nearly 5 million cars for a day.

At night from outer space, burning in the Bakken oil fields of North Dakota rivals the lights of Chicago.

But more and more, state regulators are granting flaring permits simply because there's nowhere to pipe the natural gas, for which there's a market glut.

www.usatoday.com

Flaring natural gas turns 'drill, baby, drill' to 'burn, baby, burn'

Amid climate change, oil companies are still allowed to pull billions of cubic feet of natural gas from the ground and simply set it on fire: Our view
www.usatoday.com
 
morekaos said:
Pining for the good old days when we were drilling so much nat gas that they had to set it on fire at the wellhead cause we had too much…Pre-Brandon…let’s get back to that! Drill baby Drill!!

Flaring natural gas turns 'drill, baby, drill' to 'burn, baby, burn'​

Oil companies are still allowed to waste fuel that's enough to power millions of homes and cars every day:​


The process is called flaring — the burning at the wellhead of unwanted natural gas, principally methane, that's a byproduct of oil extraction. It's a shameful waste in the United States, where oil field flaring increased by 48% from 2017 to 2018 and is rising precipitously this year.

Each day, flaring in the shale oil fields of North Dakota and South Texas squanders 1.15 billion cubic feet of natural gas, the analytics firm Rystad Energy estimates. That's the equivalent of powering 4 million homes or driving nearly 5 million cars for a day.

At night from outer space, burning in the Bakken oil fields of North Dakota rivals the lights of Chicago.

But more and more, state regulators are granting flaring permits simply because there's nowhere to pipe the natural gas, for which there's a market glut.

www.usatoday.com

Flaring natural gas turns 'drill, baby, drill' to 'burn, baby, burn'

Amid climate change, oil companies are still allowed to pull billions of cubic feet of natural gas from the ground and simply set it on fire: Our view
www.usatoday.com
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Really funny story on flaring - a college buddy lived in Manhattan Beach on Rosecrans right across from the Chevron El Segundo Refinery. One of his co-workers had been an engineer at that plant in a prior life, and one night after we all did bong hits he called up the plant on speakerphone and told them they were flaring off too much, going into a technical checklist which they promised to follow. Funniest crank call I've ever witnessed.
 
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