irvinehomeowner
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Funny things morekaos says:
"Oil interests not politically connected."
Really?
"Oil interests not politically connected."
Really?
ICE or EV?
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Show me where EV as % of new sales are declining.
One day it will, but that day isn’t today.
Oh, sorry, they like to talk about things that are aspirational, didn’t actually mean it jk jk
L o L
or slowly losing (lost) your marbles, either case, l o l
electrek.co
Think of it like computer and laser printer companies 20 years ago. They're in the business to sell you new laptops and printers, so if your $1500 out of warranty laser printer is down, they charge $950 + labor to replace the circuit board and highly encourage you to buy a new replacement. For Tesla cars I've heard of horror stories where owner of 2013 model S was quoted $25,800 by dealership in Upland for battery replacement. Fortunately the guy was able to have the car towed to a 3rd party shop all the way in Rancho Cordova and had it done for under $5,000, including transportation costs.
Some people say Toyota is going to get steamrolled unless if they get their butt moving on EV. Personally I'd be happy to buy a new or used Sienna hybrid down the road, knowing that battery replacement can probably be had for $1,000-$2,000 with good warranty from 3rd party shops in LA/OC (right now the Sienna hybrid is too new, I'm quoting prices from Camry / Lexus hybrid battery replacement cost).
What Tesla has done right, at least here in CA, is the proliferation of charging stations.
oh ok, but your sites are??? haha, daily mail, random blogs, like i said, same crapThe congressional integrity project? …total left wing loony hacks…The Center for American Progress…comedy at its finest!!!…try again
morekaos
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Where did I say that?
And what did they all say about EV? Decline? Hardly.USA today, car and driver, CNBC, bureau of labor Statistics, Forbes, yeah, a bunch of real partisan hacks not like electrek.com?…they’re not too biased, huh?
Show me where EV as % of new sales are declining.
One day it will, but that day isn’t today.
irvinehomeowner
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Using your own playbook... taking something you say and putting it out of context. You're more like eye than you think.
morekaos
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Hey, what happened to Russia, Russia, Russia!!? Oh, I see, after that was debunked as lies, you throw a few other countries in there and see what sticks. The only thing those countries are going to stick to is grandpa Joe and that anchor is going to pull him right to the bottom.and trump
FACT SHEET: President Trump’s Shady Business Dealings With The Chinese Government — Congressional Integrity Project
Earlier today, Representative James Comer held a press conference—hyped for weeks as “judgment day” for President Biden—that failed to present a shred of evidence that connected to the president. At the same time, it has been over a hundred days since Comer said he and his House Oversight...congressionalintegrity.org
Forbes Estimates China Paid Trump At Least $5.4 Million Since He Took Office, Via Mysterious Trump Tower Lease
Donald Trump maintained a stake in Trump Tower when he became president, and with it, a financial connection to the Chinese government.www.forbes.com
We talking about lies? Trump? Devolder? Nuff saidHey, what happened to Russia, Russia, Russia!!? Oh, I see, after that was debunked as lies, you throw a few other countries in there and see what sticks. The only thing those countries are going to stick to is grandpa Joe and that anchor is going to pull him right to the bottom.
Oh, sorry, they like to talk about things that are aspirational, didn’t actually mean it jk jk
L o L
are we pirates now?Stop it Eye..
or slowly losing (lost) your marbles, either case, l o l
irvinehomeowner
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Just like Covid, what happens in China doesn't stay in China: 
electrek.co
The EVpocalpyse has arrived!
BYD production snowballs as it celebrates rolling five millionth plug-in EV off the assembly line
While some EV automaker’s are working to deliver EV numbers in the tens of thousands, China’s Build Your Dreams (BYD)...
electrek.co
The EVpocalpyse has arrived!
irvinehomeowner
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If you're feeling spendy, you can get a "Standard Range" S or X for $78k or $88k respectively:
electrek.co
Tesla is really putting price pressure on the other brands.
Also GM extending the production of their cheap EVs, Bolt and Bolt EUV:
electrek.co
If you're really looking into trying out an EV, you should look into leasing, do a 24/36 month for low commitment and by the time it's done, you'll know if you want to buy one or try a new (better?) on that is out. Some leases have the $7500 credit that purchases don't have due to the Fed/IRA restrictions and are more affordable than during Covid/Supply Era.
Tesla launches new Model S and Model X with shorter range and cheaper prices
Tesla has launched two new vehicles of the Model S and Model X. The automaker is bringing back ‘Standard Range’...
electrek.co
Tesla is really putting price pressure on the other brands.
Also GM extending the production of their cheap EVs, Bolt and Bolt EUV:
Good news: Chevy Bolt EV and EUV production will continue longer than expected
General Motors will continue building the 2023 Chevy Bolt EV and EUV electric models longer than initially expected. 2023 Chevy...
electrek.co
If you're really looking into trying out an EV, you should look into leasing, do a 24/36 month for low commitment and by the time it's done, you'll know if you want to buy one or try a new (better?) on that is out. Some leases have the $7500 credit that purchases don't have due to the Fed/IRA restrictions and are more affordable than during Covid/Supply Era.
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
You may want to dabble in EVGo. They have partnerships with many brands for their Autocharge+ program (plug and charge like Tesla) and just signed Rivian:
Rivian R1S and R1T owners can now use EVgo's Autocharge+ program
One of the largest fast-charging networks in the US, EVgo, announced Tuesday that Rivian R1S and R1T owners can now...
electrek.co
momopi
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Great point….Can’t wait for that secondary market to mature and those batteries start dying. Another shock to the system when people realize they have to spend $10-$12,000 to replace old dying lithium ion batteries. Thanks green new deal.!!
Think of it like computer and laser printer companies 20 years ago. They're in the business to sell you new laptops and printers, so if your $1500 out of warranty laser printer is down, they charge $950 + labor to replace the circuit board and highly encourage you to buy a new replacement. For Tesla cars I've heard of horror stories where owner of 2013 model S was quoted $25,800 by dealership in Upland for battery replacement. Fortunately the guy was able to have the car towed to a 3rd party shop all the way in Rancho Cordova and had it done for under $5,000, including transportation costs.
Some people say Toyota is going to get steamrolled unless if they get their butt moving on EV. Personally I'd be happy to buy a new or used Sienna hybrid down the road, knowing that battery replacement can probably be had for $1,000-$2,000 with good warranty from 3rd party shops in LA/OC (right now the Sienna hybrid is too new, I'm quoting prices from Camry / Lexus hybrid battery replacement cost).
What Tesla has done right, at least here in CA, is the proliferation of charging stations.
nosuchreality
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It’ll take several years yet before realistic replacement costs are know. Right now, it’s still like needing to replace an accident part of a new model year after a major redesign. Cars like the bolt will be having their very first cars hitting their battery warranty later this year, early next.
irvinehomeowner
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Hah... I was going to post that too.
I have very low confidence in VinFast.
Their current product, the VF8 is barely out, underperforms and has mediocre features for the price. I had high hopes for them but they don't have a product on par with the other EVs so they can't be priced at or above them. Their only compelling EV is the 3-row VF9 but that has been delayed so many times and the rumored MSRP is going to put it higher than a better Kia EV9.
Their only saving grace is deep pockets because the Vin Group is gigantic in Vietnam... but unless they make their EVs better or cheaper... they may end up like Lordstown.
I'm even wary of Fisker.
I have very low confidence in VinFast.
Their current product, the VF8 is barely out, underperforms and has mediocre features for the price. I had high hopes for them but they don't have a product on par with the other EVs so they can't be priced at or above them. Their only compelling EV is the 3-row VF9 but that has been delayed so many times and the rumored MSRP is going to put it higher than a better Kia EV9.
Their only saving grace is deep pockets because the Vin Group is gigantic in Vietnam... but unless they make their EVs better or cheaper... they may end up like Lordstown.
I'm even wary of Fisker.
