ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 13 31.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 23 54.8%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Total voters
    42
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morekaos said:
So while I?m driving away from the tsunami in my bronco. You?ll be underwater and on fire, ouch! ;D ;D >:D

Battling fires from water-damaged EVs 'ties up resources' in Hurricane Ian recovery, Florida fire dept says

According to Hammond, a typical car fire requires one tank of water and less than an hour to safely put out, while EV fires require much more effort.

"They take up to two hours to cool the batteries, to keep them out of a runaway situation," the assistant fire chief explained. "And in some cases where we don't have a water source, we have to just secure the area and let them burn because we can't get enough water to them."

www.foxbusiness.com

Battling fires from water-damaged EVs 'ties up resources' in Hurricane Ian recovery, Florida fire dept says

North Collier Assistant Fire Chief James Hammond details the extra "allocation of resources" needed for putting out electric vehicle fires in the Hurricane Ian aftermath.
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I'd rather be in a Tesla than your Bronco, Tesla is a 5 star NHSTA safety rating, your bronco, not so much

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/18/business/bronco-ii-performance-criticized.html
ouch indeed...

https://www.motortrend.com/features/ford-bronco-ii-history-epic-disaster/
 
If its between being hit or hitting...I'ld rather be in the Bronco . Whatever that beast hits its going right through.
 
morekaos said:
If its between being hit or hitting...I'ld rather be in the Bronco . Whatever that beast hits its going right through.
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Going straight to the morgue, it'll be no-more kaos

30 yr old vehicle isn't exactly the safest thing on the road, does it even have airbags, unless you like your head bashed in during a collision. Also it contains 30+ gallon fuel tank, explosion and fire, same pain.

Tesla have 12 airbags? Construction and safety technology in over 30+ years, I'd err on the safe side and be in a Tesla

Going right thru... more like falling and tipping over like a drunk person
https://www.autonews.com/article/19951106/ANA/511060754/ford-loses-62-4-million-bronco-ii-case

https://apnews.com/article/9098336d9d8abea60096351094b47944
 
AW said:
Going straight to the morgue, it'll be no-more kaos

30 yr old vehicle isn't exactly the safest thing on the road, does it even have airbags, unless you like your head bashed in during a collision. Also it contains 30+ gallon fuel tank, explosion and fire, same pain.

Tesla have 12 airbags? Construction and safety technology in over 30+ years, I'd err on the safe side and be in a Tesla

Going right thru... more like falling and tipping over like a drunk person
https://www.autonews.com/article/19951106/ANA/511060754/ford-loses-62-4-million-bronco-ii-case

https://apnews.com/article/9098336d9d8abea60096351094b47944
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Opinions vary….

 
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I can drive through 5 feet of water…forever. Deeper with a snorkel. Takes minutes to put it on. Simple kit that most off-roaders have.
 
This is what happens when reality crashes into a unicorn…they have to lie ( like VW and clean diesel) to justify their existence because the technology is just not there yet…if ever

Trevor Milton, founder of EV company Nikola, found guilty of fraud​


NEW YORK — The wealthy founder of Nikola was convicted Friday of charges he deceived investors with exaggerated claims about his company’s progress in producing zero-emission 18-wheel trucks fueled by electricity or hydrogen.

A jury reached the verdict against Trevor Milton after deliberating for about five hours in federal court in Manhattan.

At trial, the government had portrayed Milton as a con man while his lawyer called him an inspiring visionary who was being railroaded by overzealous prosecutors.

Those prosecutors alleged that Nikola — founded by Milton in a Utah basement six years ago — falsely claimed to have built its own revolutionary truck that was actually a General Motors product with Nikola’s logo stamped onto it. There also was evidence that the company produced videos of its trucks that were doctored to hide their flaws.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/-...-ev-company/ar-AA12YwJJ?ocid=sapphireappshare
 
Either you will drown and burn in your EV or that EV you left behind will burn what’s left of your house down….thanks unicorn
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Florida Home That Survived Hurricane Burns to the Ground from EV: ‘A Ticking Time Bomb’​


After surviving Hurricane Ian, some homes in Florida are facing a new danger: electric vehicles catching fire due to their batteries being corroded by the floods.

State Rep. Bob Rommel and state Fire Marshal Jim Patronis have been particularly vocal about the threat of EV fires in the aftermath of the hurricane.

Rommel tweeted on Monday about a house that had managed to outlast the hurricane, but couldn’t survive the EV fire that later started in the garage.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

'A Ticking Time Bomb': Florida Home That Survived Hurricane Burns to the Ground from EV - Report

Electric vehicles are catching fire in Florida after flooding from Hurricane Ian corroded their batteries.
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This thread has gone off the rails...

To get back on topic, our next car will most likely be a small/cheaper EV to use as a day to day city commuter. We rarely go beyond a 10 miles radius during the week (WFH yay!) and using a larger SUV for this kind of drive is a bit wasteful.
 
We just did a weekend trip down to Agoura Hills to see Loverboy (rocked!) in the M3 Performance. Autopilot did great especially on the Chumash highway through SB wine country. Highly recommend Los Olivos - too many tasting rooms with excellent wines to count. Chill vibe compared to Napa/Sonoma.

1 hour of combined supercharging on the way down, 1.5 hrs on the way back as we did a littel wine tasting. Total cost ~$30
 
Sure 11 hours to go 178 miles in order to save Gaia is well worth my time…get me in line for that EV…or I can give you a lift in my truck and it would take around 2 ½ hours…you pick.


‘It was very difficult’: Electric vehicle owner took 15 hours to drive 178 miles

A Colorado electric vehicle owner called a road trip across the state of Wyoming “very difficult” after it took 15 hours to drive 178 miles.

Alan O’Hashi used to live in Wyoming and explained that a trip back to the Cowboy State in his electric Nissan Leaf required lots of patience.

“It was very difficult, O’Hashi told the Cowboy State Daily. “For example, [it took] 15 hours to get from Cheyenne to Casper.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/very-difficult-electric-vehicle-15-hours-178-miles
 
morekaos said:
Sure 11 hours to go 178 miles in order to save Gaia is well worth my time…get me in line for that EV…or I can give you a lift in my truck and it would take around 2 ½ hours…you pick.


‘It was very difficult’: Electric vehicle owner took 15 hours to drive 178 miles

A Colorado electric vehicle owner called a road trip across the state of Wyoming “very difficult” after it took 15 hours to drive 178 miles.

Alan O’Hashi used to live in Wyoming and explained that a trip back to the Cowboy State in his electric Nissan Leaf required lots of patience.

“It was very difficult, O’Hashi told the Cowboy State Daily. “For example, [it took] 15 hours to get from Cheyenne to Casper.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/very-difficult-electric-vehicle-15-hours-178-miles
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this is why buying a non-Tesla EV is foolish unless you only plan to use it locally and charge at home - no access to the pervasive Tesla chargers. And as a bonus they're usually in nice places co-located with food.
 
I bought a Tesla as our first EV because of the Supercharging network... but prior to that and especially now, there are many chargers available.

At the Spectrum I think they have 2 different networks... ChargePoint and Electrify America.

Even at 2nd and PCH in Long Beach (ahem) there are several chargers available (was just there trying hunt down morekaos' boat).
 
I just got back from Vegas driving model Y. First long trip trial.
It was easier than I expected.

Ended up charging @ Baker for 30min
Charging in Vegas for 30 min
and then Yermo (Near that ice cream statue) coming back

I thought I would need a gas car for Vegas, but I'll just use my Tesla from now on.
 
zubs said:
I just got back from Vegas driving model Y. First long trip trial.
It was easier than I expected.

Ended up charging @ Baker for 30min
Charging in Vegas for 30 min
and then Yermo (Near that ice cream statue) coming back

I thought I would need a gas car for Vegas, but I'll just use my Tesla from now on.
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absolutely zero range anxiety with a Tesla, and I've never had to wait
 
Supercharging does help but as more EVs come out with Fast DC charging... that also makes EV adoption easier.

I do think there is a case to be made for 100-mi EVs for local commuters and they will be lighter and cheaper too to allow you to build larger vehicles short distance driving like mini-vans, mid/large SUVs, etc.
 
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