I feel that the Villages of Irvine Catalog Spring/Summer 2008 is misleading.

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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211622103]AsianInvasian



I am still waiting. Let me give you the answer to my question. There is only one project that is out there that you could have named and that will completely destroy my credibility. I know about this project because I formulated it for Laing.



Under the condition of approval for Woodbury numerous single story homes must meet the strict standards of Universal Accessibility for Handicap occupants.



The initial phases of Woodbury were all 2 story homes and providing single story homes were not possible for the land cost equation. As the community matures from East to West the remaining parcels of the land were subject to deliver the most of the single story handicap accessible units. The project Four Quartet was conceptualized to solve that.



Brad Engelland from the Irvine Company was instrumental in heading up the campaign to deliver housing that solve the growing needs of elderly as well as handicap individuals. The prototype for four quartets has 2 townhouses sandwiched at the middle and a set of stacked flat were positioned at both ends. Garage access was from the rear. At either ends a lower level flat unit was on a single level that satisfied the Universal Access requirement. The challenge was providing a classy access to the upper flats without the stigma of feeling like an apartment. The outside stairs was not a solution. A clever private downstairs foyer was created for the front door experience and a generous wide stairs lead up to the upper flat.



Four Quartets has 6 units under one roof with 6 entry doors at the ground level. It is a condo project because of the stacked flat at either ends. If all 6 units were 2 story and all front doors are from the ground level then it is a townhouse.



I am sure you knew this already.





[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211611403]OK then name a condo project in Irvine that all attached units are under one roof and ALL entrances are accessed from the ground floor only.



Then name another project that in your definition is considered a townhouse. We will then call the builders to verify their common marketing term they used to advertise their products.





[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1211610466][quote author="bkshopr" date=1211609754]

Condo is like a parallelgram in geometry. It is a 4 sided pologon with 2 parallel sides. Within the subset of papallegram are rhombus, rectangle, and square. The condos has subsets as well: triplex, townhouses, stacked flats, detached condos, and podium condos.



We do not call a square or diamond a parallelgram eventhough technically they are and for the same token we do not call a townhouse a condo eventhough it is condo mapped.

</blockquote>


That is a completely wrong analogy because there are townhouses that are not condos.



Please stop with this posting of nonsense and pretending to know things you don't by writing endless giberish. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you weren't trying to defend your misinformation with more misinformation. Thanks.</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>


Bk,



So what you're trying to say is: If there's a neighbor on top or bottom unit. Most likely, it's a condo?
 
BK, I think that upstairs flat with the large foyer you're referring to is the Plan 5. I agree it is an interesting and unique design but I don't like the fact that you're confronted with a staircase (and nothing else) as soon as you enter the unit. Isn't that bad feng shui? Also, trudging groceries and everything else upstairs kind of make this the opposite of a handicapped unit...you'd better be in good shape to live there! ;-)



I think the Plan 4 (a traditional townhouse) is the best of the Four Quartets plans. JLH has all the yet-to-be-built units listed on the MLS and the Plan 4 is priced higher than the Plan 5, even though it is slightly smaller, so I guess others agree.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211622103]AsianInvasian



I am still waiting. Let me give you the answer to my question. There is only one project that is out there that you could have named and that will completely destroy my credibility. I know about this project because I formulated it for Laing.



Under the condition of approval for Woodbury numerous single story homes must meet the strict standards of Universal Accessibility for Handicap occupants.



The initial phases of Woodbury were all 2 story homes and providing single story homes were not possible for the land cost equation. As the community matures from East to West the remaining parcels of the land were subject to deliver the most of the single story handicap accessible units. The project Four Quartet was conceptualized to solve that.



Brad Engelland from the Irvine Company was instrumental in heading up the campaign to deliver housing that solve the growing needs of elderly as well as handicap individuals. The prototype for four quartets has 2 townhouses sandwiched at the middle and a set of stacked flat were positioned at both ends. Garage access was from the rear. At either ends a lower level flat unit was on a single level that satisfied the Universal Access requirement. The challenge was providing a classy access to the upper flats without the stigma of feeling like an apartment. The outside stairs was not a solution. A clever private downstairs foyer was created for the front door experience and a generous wide stairs lead up to the upper flat.



Four Quartets has 6 units under one roof with 6 entry doors at the ground level. It is a condo project because of the stacked flat at either ends. If all 6 units were 2 story and all front doors are from the ground level then it is a townhouse.



I am sure you knew this already. </blockquote>


Blah, just more nonsensical gibberish from the loony BK. He doesn't know what he is talking about, if the home was built with mello roos (the construction crew only listened to Bob Marley), then it would be a condo. Mello roos = Bob Marley = condo. DUH!



Wouldn't have it been a lot easier to look up the zoning on the subdivision map?



And, this is why you should never trust a new home sales agent. They think they know what they are talking about, and get in over their head, and fail miserably when someone with more knowledge in their pinky finger proves them to be incorrect.
 
Yes. Housing is way too technical with definitions. I am trying to explain a complex problem in layman terms. Successful authors often can decifer out the jargons and simplify the idea so everyone can understand it without feeling confused. Asianmutation is trying to do the opposite.



[quote author="reason" date=1211629924][quote author="bkshopr" date=1211622103]AsianInvasian



I am still waiting. Let me give you the answer to my question. There is only one project that is out there that you could have named and that will completely destroy my credibility. I know about this project because I formulated it for Laing.



Under the condition of approval for Woodbury numerous single story homes must meet the strict standards of Universal Accessibility for Handicap occupants.



The initial phases of Woodbury were all 2 story homes and providing single story homes were not possible for the land cost equation. As the community matures from East to West the remaining parcels of the land were subject to deliver the most of the single story handicap accessible units. The project Four Quartet was conceptualized to solve that.



Brad Engelland from the Irvine Company was instrumental in heading up the campaign to deliver housing that solve the growing needs of elderly as well as handicap individuals. The prototype for four quartets has 2 townhouses sandwiched at the middle and a set of stacked flat were positioned at both ends. Garage access was from the rear. At either ends a lower level flat unit was on a single level that satisfied the Universal Access requirement. The challenge was providing a classy access to the upper flats without the stigma of feeling like an apartment. The outside stairs was not a solution. A clever private downstairs foyer was created for the front door experience and a generous wide stairs lead up to the upper flat.



Four Quartets has 6 units under one roof with 6 entry doors at the ground level. It is a condo project because of the stacked flat at either ends. If all 6 units were 2 story and all front doors are from the ground level then it is a townhouse.



I am sure you knew this already.





[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211611403]OK then name a condo project in Irvine that all attached units are under one roof and ALL entrances are accessed from the ground floor only.



Then name another project that in your definition is considered a townhouse. We will then call the builders to verify their common marketing term they used to advertise their products.





[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1211610466][quote author="bkshopr" date=1211609754]

Condo is like a parallelgram in geometry. It is a 4 sided pologon with 2 parallel sides. Within the subset of papallegram are rhombus, rectangle, and square. The condos has subsets as well: triplex, townhouses, stacked flats, detached condos, and podium condos.



We do not call a square or diamond a parallelgram eventhough technically they are and for the same token we do not call a townhouse a condo eventhough it is condo mapped.

</blockquote>


That is a completely wrong analogy because there are townhouses that are not condos.



Please stop with this posting of nonsense and pretending to know things you don't by writing endless giberish. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you weren't trying to defend your misinformation with more misinformation. Thanks.</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>


Bk,



So what you're trying to say is: If there's a neighbor on top or bottom unit. Most likely, it's a condo?</blockquote>
 
The product is clever in fullfilling the need of society. No product is perfect without some compromises.



[quote author="jumpcut" date=1211662446]BK, I think that upstairs flat with the large foyer you're referring to is the Plan 5. I agree it is an interesting and unique design but I don't like the fact that you're confronted with a staircase (and nothing else) as soon as you enter the unit. Isn't that bad feng shui? Also, trudging groceries and everything else upstairs kind of make this the opposite of a handicapped unit...you'd better be in good shape to live there! ;-)



I think the Plan 4 (a traditional townhouse) is the best of the Four Quartets plans. JLH has all the yet-to-be-built units listed on the MLS and the Plan 4 is priced higher than the Plan 5, even though it is slightly smaller, so I guess others agree.</blockquote>
 
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