I feel that the Villages of Irvine Catalog Spring/Summer 2008 is misleading.

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PANDA DREAMING OF IRVINE_IHB

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So I get this beautiful catalog from TIC and look through all the new construction homes. Since when did they start calling the "Detached Condos" "Single Family Homes" Is this some kind marketing gimmick to mislead the buyers that they can purchase a single family home in Portola Springs for mid $600,000s?



Case in point: the catalog says that:

Bougainvillea - Portola Springs

Los Arboles - Portola Springs

Paloma - Portola Springs

Manzanita - Portola Springs

StoneTree Manor - Woodbury



are ALL single family homes.



Hello? These are ?Detached Condos? not ?Single Family Homes?. ?Villa Rosa?, Now that is a REAL single family home. ( You guys need to make more of those ) It still amazes me that these guys think that I will fork out $800,000 of my hard earned money for a detached condo, where i don?t even get my own drive way.



Back in late 2003/early 2004, my wait list# was exactly 154 for Casalon - Quail Hill phase 3/4. It was the most amazing thing watching prospective home buyers kissing the butt of TIC and all the home builders. There was practically no marketing from you guys because there was no need to with every phase release going up atleast $30,000.



These days, I get an email campaign from William Lyon Homes and TIC practically every week. Business is tough these days huh? Drop your prices 20%!
 
[quote author="PANDA DREAMING OF IRVINE" date=1211542008]So I get this beautiful catalog from TIC and look through all the new construction homes. Since when did they start calling the "Detached Condos" "Single Family Homes" Is this some kind marketing gimmick to mislead the buyers that they can purchase a single family home in Portola Springs for mid $600,000s?



Case in point: the catalog says that:

Bougainvillea - Portola Springs

Los Arboles - Portola Springs

Paloma - Portola Springs

Manzanita - Portola Springs

StoneTree Manor - Woodbury



are ALL single family homes.



Hello? These are "Detached Condos" not "Single Family Homes". "Villa Rosa", Now that is a REAL single family home. ( You guys need to make more of those ) It still amazes me that these guys think that I will fork out $800,000 of my hard earned money for a detached condo, where i don't even get my own drive way.



Back in late 2003/early 2004, my wait list# was exactly 154 for Casalon - Quail Hill phase 3/4. It was the most amazing thing watching prospective home buyers kissing the butt of TIC and all the home builders. There was practically no marketing from you guys because there was no need to with every phase release going up atleast $30,000.



These days, I get an email campaign from William Lyon Homes and TIC practically every week. Business is tough these days huh? Drop your prices 20%!</blockquote>


Wow, sucks that you didn't buy Panda... You'd be up quite a bit on that purchase still.



Detached residential structures made for a single family to inhabit are single-family homes. That is the definition of the term.



The detached residences popularized in recent years are more condos from a legal perspective and actually share more in common with the traditional definition/usage of "SFR" than the traditional definition/usage of the term "condo".



That being said, I know exactly what you mean. I'm not a fan of rear-entry, no yard, no driveway places either. I want some a decent-sized lot and enough driveway to park two cars without overhanging into the sidewalk...
 
Other than Paloma and Stonetree Manor are duplexes the rest are all single family homes. Even in the situation of zero lot, no driveways and alley load they are still SFR by building code definition. In the case of Cal Pac's detached condo calling it "detached home" is still technically correct because the homes are processed through the building department under the strict and rigorous standard of a detached home.



Villa Rosa homes with a driveway are called "conventional single family detached homes"



According to the building code a freestanding house, duplex, or tri-plex are called dwellings. Attachment of 4 units or more are categorised as multi-family (condo).



Do you see the confusions?



Here is a simpler layman term:



1. When there is only one kitchen under one roof structure then it is called a single family homes

2. When there are 2 kitchens under one roof structure and both entrances are from the ground floor then it is called a duplex

3. When there are still 2 kitchens under one roof structure but one unit stack over another then they are called stacked flat.

4. When there are 3 kitchens under one roof and all entrances to the units are at the ground level then it is a triplex.

5. When there are 3 kitchens under one roof and not all the entrances are at the ground level then it is a condo.

6. When there are 4 or more kitchens under one roof and all entrances are at the ground level then they are townhouses.

7. When there are 4 or more kitchens under one roof and not all entrances are at the ground level they are condos.



If #3,4,5,6 and 7 are rental properties then they are all called apartments



In the catalog "Taylor Woodrow" should be updated with "Taylor Morrison".







[quote author="PANDA DREAMING OF IRVINE" date=1211542008]So I get this beautiful catalog from TIC and look through all the new construction homes. Since when did they start calling the "Detached Condos" "Single Family Homes" Is this some kind marketing gimmick to mislead the buyers that they can purchase a single family home in Portola Springs for mid $600,000s?



Case in point: the catalog says that:

Bougainvillea - Portola Springs

Los Arboles - Portola Springs

Paloma - Portola Springs

Manzanita - Portola Springs

StoneTree Manor - Woodbury



are ALL single family homes.



Hello? These are "Detached Condos" not "Single Family Homes". "Villa Rosa", Now that is a REAL single family home. ( You guys need to make more of those ) It still amazes me that these guys think that I will fork out $800,000 of my hard earned money for a detached condo, where i don't even get my own drive way.



Back in late 2003/early 2004, my wait list# was exactly 154 for Casalon - Quail Hill phase 3/4. It was the most amazing thing watching prospective home buyers kissing the butt of TIC and all the home builders. There was practically no marketing from you guys because there was no need to with every phase release going up atleast $30,000.



These days, I get an email campaign from William Lyon Homes and TIC practically every week. Business is tough these days huh? Drop your prices 20%!</blockquote>
 
<blockquote>It still amazes me that these guys think that I will fork out $800,000 of my hard earned money for a detached condo, where i don?t even get my own drive way. </blockquote>


Actually <a href="http://www.taylormorrison.com/Community.aspx?CommunityID=238">Los Arboles</a> in Portola Springs, you do get your own driveway that you could park 2 cars on. You even get a backyard, albeit small but still usable, but you are in PS and can use the parks, pool, b-ball courts etc.. It is just the high mello-roos and hoa that will hurt even more. Also don't forget about the proximity of PS to the Great California Fires of last year, but at least Los Arboles is further away from the 241 and flammable hills than the more expensive homes.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211544435]

5. When there are 3 kitchens under one roof and not all the entrances are at the ground level then it is a condo.

6. When there are 4 or more kitchens under one roof and all entrances are at the ground level then they are townhouses.

7. When there are 4 or more kitchens under one roof and not all entrances are at the ground level they are condos.

</blockquote>


Not to be a party pooper but that's not correct. Condo is a legal ownership definition and townhouse is a style of construction. You can have condos that have all entrances at ground level.
 
[quote author="PANDA DREAMING OF IRVINE" date=1211583995]IPO,



Yeah, generally i am a very light hearted guy who likes to joke around a lot. But, man ... that Casalon experience was an emotional experience for me that I will never forget. As an asian adult, I probably only "cried like a baby" twice in my life. First, time is when my wife rejected me so many times when i begged her for just one date when i was single. Second is my "CASALON in Quail Hills STORY" experience. I wanted that plan B townhome (3/3) so bad. At time i was 25/26, single, and could afford MAX with leverage a $450,000 place. I flew back and forth across the country about three to four times to irvine so that my name would be called from this ridiculous long wait list these builders had. The plan B in phase four was going for $459,500 at the time, and guy right in front me got it. (I was thinking to myself "DAAMMMMM" My name was finally called for the A2 plan 1695 square 3/3 for $491,500, and i had cold feet because i couldn't afford it (it was too much of a stretch), so i had to pass, and the korean woman behind me was jumping up and down as she claimed the A2 plan. The local Irvine people there thought that i was crazy that i passed up on the A2 plan. I was crying all the way back to John Wayne Airport, like a poor asian boy who couldn't get the Transformer toy he wanted so bad... well that is my Pathetic and Sad story, "My Casalon Story in Quail Hills"



Some guy featured me in youTube about this great Panda movie I'll be starring in.</blockquote>


I lived your Casalon story too Panda, except it was 2001 and I was the guy who was lucky enough to score the house and got to see someone literally cry right there at the builders sale office because I beat her with my deposit.



I didn't get called in the lottery, but two lottery winners elected not to purchase, so they started calling down the list. I apparently was the fastest driver of the bunch... I will always remember that asian lady crying outside on a bench in front of the sale office. My glee was her despair.
 
IPO,



Remember, I may be the asian lady that cried five years ago, this time around, the asian man with the most liquid cash, and most knowledge will win this game at the end. I love Warren Buffet's statement, "You must be scared when everyone is greedy, and have to greedy and when everyone is scared." The next five years is the time to be greedy. I may be competing for the same house you are looking at.



Panda's .02 cents
 
[quote author="PANDA DREAMING OF IRVINE" date=1211589400]IPO,



Remember, I may be the asian lady that cried five years ago, this time around, the asian man with the most liquid cash, and most knowledge will win this game at the end. I love Warren Buffet's statement, "You must be scared when everyone was greedy, and have to greedy and when everyone is scared." The next five years is the time to be greedy. I may be competing for the same house you are looking at.



Panda's .02 cents</blockquote>


In a buyers market, you will only be competing with the seller, not other buyers... If you compete with other buyers, you'd be a fool. There will always be another good opportunity down the line for at least the next few years.



IPO's $1 :)
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211609361]I noted this is the layman perspective term. No one want to call their townhouse a condo. Seniors do not want to call their home a convalescant home. They are Resort living for active adults.



You are using the attorney liability language "condo". Let me take that another step farther to describe a house it is really a typeV R-3 single hour rated wall construction with 25% allowable protected and unprotected fenestration if setback is greater than 3' but less than 5' from the property line.



Condo is like a parallelgram in geometry. It is a 4 sided polygon with 2 sets of parallel sides. Within the subset of papallegram are rhombus, rectangle, and square. The condos has subsets as well: triplex, townhouses, stacked flats, detached condos, and podium condos.



We do not call a square or diamond a parallelgram eventhough technically they are and for the same token we do not call a townhouse a condo eventhough it is condo mapped.



By the way townhouse is not style of construction. Type V, III. or I are style of construction. It is the way how the units are organized, attached and accessed.









[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1211587748][quote author="bkshopr" date=1211544435]

5. When there are 3 kitchens under one roof and not all the entrances are at the ground level then it is a condo.

6. When there are 4 or more kitchens under one roof and all entrances are at the ground level then they are townhouses.

7. When there are 4 or more kitchens under one roof and not all entrances are at the ground level they are condos.

</blockquote>


Not to be a party pooper but that's not correct. Condo is a legal ownership definition and townhouse is a style of construction. You can have condos that have all entrances at ground level.</blockquote></blockquote>
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211609754]

Condo is like a parallelgram in geometry. It is a 4 sided pologon with 2 parallel sides. Within the subset of papallegram are rhombus, rectangle, and square. The condos has subsets as well: triplex, townhouses, stacked flats, detached condos, and podium condos.



We do not call a square or diamond a parallelgram eventhough technically they are and for the same token we do not call a townhouse a condo eventhough it is condo mapped.

</blockquote>


That is a completely wrong analogy because there are townhouses that are not condos.



Please stop with this posting of nonsense and pretending to know things you don't by writing endless giberish. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you weren't trying to defend your misinformation with more misinformation. Thanks.
 
OK then name a condo project in Irvine that all attached units are under one roof and ALL entrances are accessed from the ground floor only.



Then name another project that in your definition is considered a townhouse. We will then call the builders to verify their common marketing term they used to advertise their products.





[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1211610466][quote author="bkshopr" date=1211609754]

Condo is like a parallelgram in geometry. It is a 4 sided pologon with 2 parallel sides. Within the subset of papallegram are rhombus, rectangle, and square. The condos has subsets as well: triplex, townhouses, stacked flats, detached condos, and podium condos.



We do not call a square or diamond a parallelgram eventhough technically they are and for the same token we do not call a townhouse a condo eventhough it is condo mapped.

</blockquote>


That is a completely wrong analogy because there are townhouses that are not condos.



Please stop with this posting of nonsense and pretending to know things you don't by writing endless giberish. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you weren't trying to defend your misinformation with more misinformation. Thanks.</blockquote>
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1211611664]asianinvasian - You are taking a penknife to a gun fight.</blockquote>


That's why they call our boy asianmutation Mr. Two Inch... He's always bringing inferior equipment to the matter at hand.
 
Weighing in at 175 pounds in the blue corner, bkshopr. At a mere 95 pounds (soaking wet) in the red corner, asianinvasian.



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"...and i had cold feet because i couldn?t afford it (it was too much of a stretch)"



LOSER! WIMP! It's called "creative financing". You know, "financing to fit your lifestyle"! Because you are soooo worth it! You totally blew it.



/sarcasm off.



I guess you'll just have to wait and pay a 2003 price (or less) for your next house with better terms in a year or two (or less). See who's jumping up and down then! ;-)
 
AsianInvasian



I am still waiting. Let me give you the answer to my question. There is only one project that is out there that you could have named and that will completely destroy my credibility. I know about this project because I formulated it for Laing.



Under the condition of approval for Woodbury numerous single story homes must meet the strict standards of Universal Accessibility for Handicap occupants.



The initial phases of Woodbury were all 2 story homes and providing single story homes were not possible for the land cost equation. As the community matures from East to West the remaining parcels of the land were subject to deliver the most of the single story handicap accessible units. The project Four Quartet was conceptualized to solve that.



Brad Engelland from the Irvine Company was instrumental in heading up the campaign to deliver housing that solve the growing needs of elderly as well as handicap individuals. The prototype for four quartets has 2 townhouses sandwiched at the middle and a set of stacked flat were positioned at both ends. Garage access was from the rear. At either ends a lower level flat unit was on a single level that satisfied the Universal Access requirement. The challenge was providing a classy access to the upper flats without the stigma of feeling like an apartment. The outside stairs was not a solution. A clever private downstairs foyer was created for the front door experience and a generous wide stairs lead up to the upper flat.



Four Quartets has 6 units under one roof with 6 entry doors at the ground level. It is a condo project because of the stacked flat at either ends. If all 6 units were 2 story and all front doors are from the ground level then it is a townhouse.



I am sure you knew this already.





[quote author="bkshopr" date=1211611403]OK then name a condo project in Irvine that all attached units are under one roof and ALL entrances are accessed from the ground floor only.



Then name another project that in your definition is considered a townhouse. We will then call the builders to verify their common marketing term they used to advertise their products.





[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1211610466][quote author="bkshopr" date=1211609754]

Condo is like a parallelgram in geometry. It is a 4 sided pologon with 2 parallel sides. Within the subset of papallegram are rhombus, rectangle, and square. The condos has subsets as well: triplex, townhouses, stacked flats, detached condos, and podium condos.



We do not call a square or diamond a parallelgram eventhough technically they are and for the same token we do not call a townhouse a condo eventhough it is condo mapped.

</blockquote>


That is a completely wrong analogy because there are townhouses that are not condos.



Please stop with this posting of nonsense and pretending to know things you don't by writing endless giberish. I wouldn't have a problem with it if you weren't trying to defend your misinformation with more misinformation. Thanks.</blockquote></blockquote>
 
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