Hidden Canyon or Orchard Hills?
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I've argued before and I'll argue now that TNHC has innovative floorplans. What other home out there has a floorpan like The Grove 2 at LR? Plan 2 at Oliva is equally incredible. Amelia does have floorplans similar to what was done at LR, however, as a whole, there's very little that repeated. I'll take the luxury from TNHC over that from Toll Brothers any day (not to knock Toll Brothers, which does very luxurious homes).
This is apple to orange comparison to me. The same can be said for $3M homes at OH (after upgrades) and high $1M homes at OH. And, the same can be said for just about anything else. Is a $100k Mercedes S 4 times the car as a $25k Toyota Camry? Toyota Camry also seem like a bargain comparatively. It's far more relevant to compare $2M La Vita at OH versus Capri at HC or Trevi with Marbella.
Honestly, I was not very impressed with the views at HC. It's appropriate that it's called "Hidden" Canyon, because the best part of the view is "Hidden" by a hill. Lol. And the views themselves aren't guaranteed; a good portion of the lots are not view oriented.
Now if we're talking about the groves at OH, those views are something else... the view lots (albeit, not as plentiful in number as they are at HC) have SPECTACULAR views of all of Orange County, even the ocean/Catalina, with few to no obstructions. I haven't been that impressed with an offering of city light views since Turtle Ridge. If I were in the market for a new-build home soley for the view, I would probably go for one of the view lots at OH. But otherwise, the two communities are pretty much the same. It all boils down to personal preference.
I agree. There really aren't a lot of choices, and ironically, this is as good as it gets for $2-3mil.
We came read-over-the-CC&R's-close to buying Amelia, but in the end we couldn't justify $2.1mil after upgrades on a 6900sqft lot. TNHC plans were great, but it just wasn't enough to close the deal. None of the options available on the market are 100% perfect, but for our specific needs, HC came close at 90%. It's all personal preference.
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If you look at the square footage of the homes in OH vs HC, they are similar and although HC has a "grander" design (and the ps9/IHS wow foyer)... is that worth $1m difference? OH supporters would argue that the amenities/neighborhood feel is better so what is that $1m difference really getting you?
From what other posters are saying, it's rarity (not much land next to the 405) and an exclusive/private feel. I get that, but IMO, I would hope the $1m would buy more separation from your neighbors, single loaded streets and better views. I would argue that Vicara homes in QH are a better buy at the mid $2m but I understand that many people prefer gated and new.
Again, each opinion will differ but I just don't see any value in the $1m difference whereas I do see a difference in a $20k car vs a $30k one (a more apt comparison).
I believe they are different... the property tax is similar but the Mello roos is very different depending where and which community you live. The Mello roos is lowered for HC if you compare similar price homes. I believe for HC it is fixed amount rather than a percentage.
I never claimed one area was lower/higher than the other (read before responding). All I'm saying is that MR is a fixed rate, and it shouldn't be considered as a % of the overall property value. Only the base tax rate is a % based on assessment. MR is usually a fixed amount per area and per square footage of the home. Therefore, if the value of the home increases, MR stays the same, and the base tax amount goes up proportionally.
i think this argument needs to be resolved in the woodbury town center parking lot at 3pm today. my money is on gasman
gasman to ocdad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU
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I wouldn't hold my breath. Heritage is only opening in 2016 because Tustin won't approve another CFD in the Greenwood buildout unless they do. Tustin won't have any leverage to force TUSD to open Legacy High or the middle school until the rest of Legacy residential starts construction. Greenwood alone will probably take 18+ months (and I'm being generous). I haven't seen plans/timelines for any other residential builds after. Also, Heritage was built to meet the "use it or lose it" deadline that the Navy had in the contract. There is no such timeline for Legacy High.
Ok, back on topic.
Ok, back on topic.
snowball said:
I've argued before and I'll argue now that TNHC has innovative floorplans. What other home out there has a floorpan like The Grove 2 at LR? Plan 2 at Oliva is equally incredible. Amelia does have floorplans similar to what was done at LR, however, as a whole, there's very little that repeated. I'll take the luxury from TNHC over that from Toll Brothers any day (not to knock Toll Brothers, which does very luxurious homes).
another reason why i think HC is superior is that there are no more land to built new houses around the area of south 405 and 133. But there are plenty of land in OH and portola and great park. So by supply/demand , you would see the demand and price go up in HC when it is built out. (among other reasons i stated earlier in my post)
irvinehomeowner said:
This is apple to orange comparison to me. The same can be said for $3M homes at OH (after upgrades) and high $1M homes at OH. And, the same can be said for just about anything else. Is a $100k Mercedes S 4 times the car as a $25k Toyota Camry? Toyota Camry also seem like a bargain comparatively. It's far more relevant to compare $2M La Vita at OH versus Capri at HC or Trevi with Marbella.
snowball said:
Honestly, I was not very impressed with the views at HC. It's appropriate that it's called "Hidden" Canyon, because the best part of the view is "Hidden" by a hill. Lol. And the views themselves aren't guaranteed; a good portion of the lots are not view oriented.
Now if we're talking about the groves at OH, those views are something else... the view lots (albeit, not as plentiful in number as they are at HC) have SPECTACULAR views of all of Orange County, even the ocean/Catalina, with few to no obstructions. I haven't been that impressed with an offering of city light views since Turtle Ridge. If I were in the market for a new-build home soley for the view, I would probably go for one of the view lots at OH. But otherwise, the two communities are pretty much the same. It all boils down to personal preference.
happios said:
I agree. There really aren't a lot of choices, and ironically, this is as good as it gets for $2-3mil.
We came read-over-the-CC&R's-close to buying Amelia, but in the end we couldn't justify $2.1mil after upgrades on a 6900sqft lot. TNHC plans were great, but it just wasn't enough to close the deal. None of the options available on the market are 100% perfect, but for our specific needs, HC came close at 90%. It's all personal preference.
#firstworldproblems
marutaro, were you looking at a plan 3 for Amelia, since that's the closest to the price range you mentioned?
I was really close to signing for a plan 3 at Amelia. For me it wasn't that the lot is small, but I feel the backyard of the homes are too close to each other. Even some of the Trevi homes have back to back yard. But if you are looking for a new 4500+ sq ft home in Irvine your only choices are Amelia/Trevi/Capri/ Marbella. Above 5000 sq ft it's Trevi and Marbella only... Beyond that you are in Shady Canyon territory.
I was really close to signing for a plan 3 at Amelia. For me it wasn't that the lot is small, but I feel the backyard of the homes are too close to each other. Even some of the Trevi homes have back to back yard. But if you are looking for a new 4500+ sq ft home in Irvine your only choices are Amelia/Trevi/Capri/ Marbella. Above 5000 sq ft it's Trevi and Marbella only... Beyond that you are in Shady Canyon territory.
marutaro said:
irvinehomeowner
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Comparing $75k to $1m is more apple/orange... and cars are not homes.eatthis said:
If you look at the square footage of the homes in OH vs HC, they are similar and although HC has a "grander" design (and the ps9/IHS wow foyer)... is that worth $1m difference? OH supporters would argue that the amenities/neighborhood feel is better so what is that $1m difference really getting you?
From what other posters are saying, it's rarity (not much land next to the 405) and an exclusive/private feel. I get that, but IMO, I would hope the $1m would buy more separation from your neighbors, single loaded streets and better views. I would argue that Vicara homes in QH are a better buy at the mid $2m but I understand that many people prefer gated and new.
Again, each opinion will differ but I just don't see any value in the $1m difference whereas I do see a difference in a $20k car vs a $30k one (a more apt comparison).
Another reason why HC is better is the property tax.
the property tax for HC is 1.008 % plus a fixed mello roos (approx 5700 a year). so if buy a mid 2 mil dollar house the property tax is around 1.2% (and even lower if we are talking about 3 mil dollar house) that is much lower in OH
the property tax for HC is 1.008 % plus a fixed mello roos (approx 5700 a year). so if buy a mid 2 mil dollar house the property tax is around 1.2% (and even lower if we are talking about 3 mil dollar house) that is much lower in OH
irvinehomeowner
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Aren't the tax rates (including MRs) in OH similar to HC?ocdad said:
irvinehomeowner said:
I believe they are different... the property tax is similar but the Mello roos is very different depending where and which community you live. The Mello roos is lowered for HC if you compare similar price homes. I believe for HC it is fixed amount rather than a percentage.
ocdad said:
I never claimed one area was lower/higher than the other (read before responding). All I'm saying is that MR is a fixed rate, and it shouldn't be considered as a % of the overall property value. Only the base tax rate is a % based on assessment. MR is usually a fixed amount per area and per square footage of the home. Therefore, if the value of the home increases, MR stays the same, and the base tax amount goes up proportionally.
qwerty
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gasman said:
i think this argument needs to be resolved in the woodbury town center parking lot at 3pm today. my money is on gasman
gasman to ocdad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU
irvinehomeowner
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What kind of person would fight over words on a forum?qwerty said:i think this argument needs to be resolved in the woodbury town center parking lot at 3pm today. my money is on gasman
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