Here We Go. Shutting down lines of credit.

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
[quote author="graphrix" date=1223638382]Gotta love credit card companies, they really know how to shoot themselves in the foot.</blockquote>


There may be no better example of that than the bankruptcy "reforms" they pushed through congress a few years ago after waiting over a decade for a GOP senate. Heckuva job, Sandy.
 
"Average age of accounts" is an important factor in credit scoring. I'd fight to keep open an older account. Newer accounts not so much.



I'd be thrilled if they closed a couple of mine. Last time I closed two accounts, it was like pulling teeth and the tradelines didn't report closed until many months later. They can yank the accounts and save me the hassle.
 
I received another one from Chase (Yes I have 2 with them and don't use either of them) today...Is there something with the timing that these go out at the same time for everyone? Something smells like desperation. Is it just statistical anomalies or do we have a regression formula factor?
 
None of my cards have had reduced limits or cancellation. However, that may have a lot to do with how I use them.



The people who make these decisions at many lenders seem to alternately be doing serious computer modeling, and randomly making wild guesses about who might not pay on time. An example description is athttp://www.statesman.com/business/c...es/personalfinance/11/30/1130creditcards.html. It is consistent with what I know of such "analysis".



"Lenders are now increasingly considering factors beyond late or missed payments. Some are looking at geography and shopping behavior as well. If you live in an area with a high foreclosure rate or shop at stores that risky borrowers frequent, don't be surprised if your line is reduced or your rate goes up.



"Among other factors, we do look at mortgage information and geography where there has been a greater deterioration in home prices. Those are some other factors, but again, we're looking at the entire credit profile," Lisa Gonzales, manager of public affairs for American Express, said of credit line reductions.



"We have taken actions such as lowering credit limits, adjusting rates, tightening credit standards and closing inactive accounts, particularly in certain geographies and where we can use mortgage data to enhance our decision-making capabilities," said Jeanette Volpi, vice president of public affairs for Citi.



Reducing credit lines, in particular, has wreaked havoc on many consumers by affecting their debt utilization ratio, which is the percentage of available credit they are using. A high debt utilization can lower a credit score, which then makes it tougher to get credit or at least get credit under favorable terms. "



The part about shopping at stores "risky buyers frequent" troubles me. This could be part of a very good computer modeling exercise, where number crunchers could potentially come up with something useful. For example, there are certain stores where my personal impression is that only stupid people would buy things, because they are wildly overpriced and available elsewhere for much less. Even then, you have to be cautious. You will likely be reducing their business and/or increasing the effective cost of customers buying from them and carrying balances.



It could also be much much less informed. There is a problem which lurks in lots of analysis of this type. You can very easily find that you have just discovered something which has a tight correlation to redlining or discrimination. What if a ton of people in a depressed area of Cleveland all shop at the same store, which has only one location? Congratulations, you've just redlined a poor or declining neighborhood.



Because men and women often shop at rather different stores, it's really easy to fall into gender discrimination. Not many men shop at Lane Bryant. What if many more women's clothing shops are on the list that indicates problems?



Almost as bad, what if someone leaks that list of stores that trigger higher interest rates or cancellations? This sounds like a complete lawyer festival.
 
I have no idea if the limits on Mrs. Awgee's card or mine have been reduced, increased, or ...

I throw away all mail from credit card companies, including mail from the cards we have.

I pay them off every month online.

We do not know what the limits are or what the interest rate is. We do not pay interest.
 
maliburenter-



what if the stores that indicate likely default are el mercado and joe's rib shack. do you think the banks are stupid/desperate enough to redline on those?
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1228221373]maliburenter-



what if the stores that indicate likely default are el mercado and joe's rib shack. do you think the banks are stupid/desperate enough to redline on those?</blockquote>


BLASPHEMY!!!!!
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1228221373]maliburenter-



what if the stores that indicate likely default are el mercado and joe's rib shack. do you think the banks are stupid/desperate enough to redline on those?</blockquote>


What you are seeing now at some banks is the fear-stupidity complex. It is the recessionary analogy to the greed-stupidity complex.



Yes, they could be that stupid, and there is a good chance the worst fear-stupidity will occur at the same banks with the worst greed-stupidity in 2004-2007. In a decent number of cases, that stupidity could lead to discrimination, and a few of them may turn up in a year or two because of a news expose or some law enforcement agency getting hold of internal emails.
 
While we are on the subject....



Etrade closed my near empty HELOC last month. Would that have an effect on my FICO score?
 
[quote author="GeorgeO" date=1228262472]While we are on the subject....



Etrade closed my near empty HELOC last month. Would that have an effect on my FICO score?</blockquote>
Only if it was one of very few well-seasoned tradelines in your credit history. If closing that tradeline had a major effect on your average age of accounts, it might have had an impact on your score. Otherwise, probably not.



IMHO, of course.
 
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