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I am now working with an agent on purchasing a home. I made a 3000 dollar check to escrow. they sent it to broker trust account, I still have my contigency period to back out. My concern is that, now that i found out the house has no permit on one of the add on room. also my agent give me a hard time. i want to cancell to buy, i worry my agent does not want to have me cancell. I will lost my deposite. he want to sign a realtor agreement letter that i will not use any other realtor except him if i want to back out on this deal. which i think it nonsense. What can i do if he dont cooperate with me on cancelling the house and i lose my deposite money. Please advice. thank you



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[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1226800888][quote author="fumbling" date=1226747939]Which is exactly the point. Buy and hold works when it comes to the HOME you LIVE IN. Turning in the keys because you have negative equity is a fool?s game. If you do, YOU WILL NEVER OWN A HOUSE.You will be a renter FOREVER.</blockquote>


Interesting perspective on the market. Statements like this one sound like they come from a realtor: It is complete bullshit. This guy is either heavily invested in real estate, being paid by the NAR, or totally clueless.</blockquote>


Mark Cuban founded a software firm, wrote about technology stocks for Computer Reseller News, then sold a company to Yahoo for billions, and is now the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, and writes a bloghttp://blogmaverick.com/on various issues . He's a very insightful guy with contrarian opinions and has a lot of business sense and has no relationship with NAR and not heavily invested in real estate.
 
[quote author="fumbling" date=1226841421][quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1226800888][quote author="fumbling" date=1226747939]Which is exactly the point. Buy and hold works when it comes to the HOME you LIVE IN. Turning in the keys because you have negative equity is a fool?s game. If you do, YOU WILL NEVER OWN A HOUSE.You will be a renter FOREVER.</blockquote>


Interesting perspective on the market. Statements like this one sound like they come from a realtor: It is complete bullshit. This guy is either heavily invested in real estate, being paid by the NAR, or totally clueless.</blockquote>


Mark Cuban founded a software firm, wrote about technology stocks for Computer Reseller News, then sold a company to Yahoo for billions, and is now the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, and writes a bloghttp://blogmaverick.com/on various issues . He's a very insightful guy with contrarian opinions and has a lot of business sense and has no relationship with NAR and not heavily invested in real estate.</blockquote>


I know who Mark Cuban is. Successful people say stupid things too. This statement "Turning in the keys because you have negative equity is a fool?s game. If you do, YOU WILL NEVER OWN A HOUSE.You will be a renter FOREVER." is complete bullshit. I don't care who says it.
 
[quote author="fumbling" date=1226841421][quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1226800888][quote author="fumbling" date=1226747939]Which is exactly the point. Buy and hold works when it comes to the HOME you LIVE IN. Turning in the keys because you have negative equity is a fool?s game. If you do, YOU WILL NEVER OWN A HOUSE.You will be a renter FOREVER.</blockquote>


Interesting perspective on the market. Statements like this one sound like they come from a realtor: It is complete bullshit. This guy is either heavily invested in real estate, being paid by the NAR, or totally clueless.</blockquote>


Mark Cuban founded a software firm, wrote about technology stocks for Computer Reseller News, then sold a company to Yahoo for billions, and is now the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, and writes a bloghttp://blogmaverick.com/on various issues . He's a very insightful guy with contrarian opinions and has a lot of business sense and has no relationship with NAR and not heavily invested in real estate.</blockquote>


Mark Cuban was, however, on last season of Dancing with the Stars. What does that say about him?
 
[quote author="happy" date=1226803562]I need help.



I am now working with an agent on purchasing a home. I made a 3000 dollar check to escrow. they sent it to broker trust account, I still have my contigency period to back out. My concern is that, now that i found out the house has no permit on one of the add on room. also my agent give me a hard time. i want to cancell to buy, i worry my agent does not want to have me cancell. I will lost my deposite. he want to sign a realtor agreement letter that i will not use any other realtor except him if i want to back out on this deal. which i think it nonsense. What can i do if he dont cooperate with me on cancelling the house and i lose my deposite money. Please advice. thank you



happy</blockquote>


u should start a seperate thread for your problem
 
If you can rent out the house you currently own, and rent another you like closer to work for less, you have your solution. You won't have to take the loss now, and your cost won't go up. As a rental house, you will be able to take some tax deductions which you couldn't as a homeowner (depreciation).
 
I read Irvine Renter's blog and I would defend his points to detractors, and same for Mark Cuban, I've read his writings for a long time and I'll defend Cuban's points because I think Cuban's blog is as insightful as Irvine Renters' blog, and being able to read differing insights is a valuable part of this forum. I don't see why Irvine Renter commented Cuban is a clueless NAR shill if he knew who he was. Part of this forum is to present contrarian opinions. I thought Cuban's opinion would help the OP as far as how a pretty successful person without a heavy real estate background looks at a situation similar to the OPs. Cuban's blog and other blogs I read, on a wide ranging number of topics are pretty insightful as is IR's blog on real estate. Having been a homeowner for 20 years through the downturn of the early and mid 90s, Cuban's advice seems pretty reasonable for people who can afford to stay.
 
I was only challenging his statement because it is not accurate. Further I was speculating why someone who should know better would make such an inaccurate statement. I neither wish to encourage nor discourage people from walking away, but if people choose not to walk away because of the belief they will NEVER own again is to base the decision on something that is not true. Earlier in this thread I challenged the idea that a sunk costs should figure in to someone's thought process. This is poor reasoning. People need to make their decisions on sound reasoning and facts. I encourage differing <em>opinions </em>based on sound reasoning and facts. When either poor reasoning or false information is presented, I will challenge that.
 
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122693827604333637.html">SEC Charges Mark Cuban With Insider Trading</a>



<a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/cuban-indicted/">Cuban Indicted</a>



This has nothing to do with Mark Cuban's opinions on housing, but I thought it interesting that he seems to have exercised poor judgment in this instance.
 
Well, Cuban does engage in hyperbole to make his point, for example I don't agree with him when he says even if your house value is 10% of what you paid for, you should still stay, but he is insightful. If a house is worth a little less, then I think it's reasonable to consider his advice. After all, a new car is immediately worth less the second you drive off the dealer's lot, and you're underwater immediately on a 100% financed car purchase, but if you make a decent salary and are buying an "affordable" car like a Honda or Toyota Camry, you'd make your payments and enjoy the ride even though you're losing money on the deal. Same with a slightly underwater home, if you can make your payments, then make your payments and focus on building good family memories and plan on moving when the kids grow up. That's what I did and it worked out well for our family, our equity increased as we paid down the mortgage, we enjoyed great family memories like holiday dinners, our kids went to good schools. But a person on a gardener's salary buying a Hummer on 100% financing, like gardeners buying $500K homes or speculators flipping million dollar homes they never planned to live in, that's just wrong. In that case, the banks bear the responsibility for approving the loan (I'm sure it was harder for the gardener to get the car loan than to get home loans in the bubble years). I think the SEC has been doing a horrible job under Chris Cox, and the charges look like a publicity stunt compared to all the real Wall Street problems. I have less respect for the SEC than the NAR. The charges seem more like Martha Stewart charges that waste taxpayer money than real Ivan Boesky insider trading charges. Of course, if the story evolves and charges come out that appear more serious, I could change my opinion of Cuban's judgment. Here is another opinion on the charges from:

James Altucher

Cuban charged with insider trading by SEC

11/17/2008 11:40 AM EST



The SEC is supposedly charging Cuban with insider trading because he unloaded his 6% stake in Mamma.com when he heard they were going to do a PIPE financing. They didn't announce the PIPE financing until the day after he dumped his shares.



This is a ludicrous charge. First off, its a very gray area. When a company starts looking to do a PIPE financing, 100s of potential investors, lawyers, accountants, etc are made aware of the fact so its borderline what is public info and what is now.



More importantly, when is the SEC going to confront the real issue behind a PIPE financing: the fact that dozens of hedge funds secure borrow (so they can short after the deal is announced) before the deal is announced. This should be illegal (its not actual trading but its making moves that will make money based on information that is considered private despite what I saw above).





Position: long Mark Cuban's ability to fight this.
 
Yes, this sounds like a gray area, and they will probably use this case to provide clarity. I doubt he will get convicted, although he may plea and pay a fine.
 
[quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1226879187][quote author="fumbling" date=1226841421][quote author="IrvineRenter" date=1226800888][quote author="fumbling" date=1226747939]Which is exactly the point. Buy and hold works when it comes to the HOME you LIVE IN. Turning in the keys because you have negative equity is a fool?s game. If you do, YOU WILL NEVER OWN A HOUSE.You will be a renter FOREVER.</blockquote>


Interesting perspective on the market. Statements like this one sound like they come from a realtor: It is complete bullshit. This guy is either heavily invested in real estate, being paid by the NAR, or totally clueless.</blockquote>


Mark Cuban founded a software firm, wrote about technology stocks for Computer Reseller News, then sold a company to Yahoo for billions, and is now the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, and writes a bloghttp://blogmaverick.com/on various issues . He's a very insightful guy with contrarian opinions and has a lot of business sense and has no relationship with NAR and not heavily invested in real estate.</blockquote>


I know who Mark Cuban is. Successful people say stupid things too. This statement "Turning in the keys because you have negative equity is a fool?s game. If you do, YOU WILL NEVER OWN A HOUSE.You will be a renter FOREVER." is complete bullshit. I don't care who says it.</blockquote>


The quoted statement doesn't sound that bad at all considering Mark Cuban also wrote that "The fact that you may be underwater in your mortgage is of no relevance if you can make the payments." The statement is much better than some of the advices that Anteater Alum has been getting in this post.
 
Thanks to all of those who took the time to reply. I love this forum. The posters are brilliant folks with differing ideas and I love the debate. I truly believe that housing has a certain emotional component that cannot be quantified from a pure financial/economics perspective. I go back to my statement in an earlier post on another thread....housing never makes sense financially. When you account for transaction and investment cost, it is a horrible ROI. The buy and hold mentality works only if you are emotional vested in the home, your neighborhood, family, etc. These are aspects that defy a market environment because people can't act rationally.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1227060733]Scoping out Cuban's new house:



<img src="http://www.federal-prison.org/image/britannica_prison.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>




Rent is cheap I hear.
 
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