jamboreedude
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akim997 said:
How much credit will builder return to you if you choose not to have them do the flooring? Can you really tell them you like to do the flooring through an outside contractor?
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How much credit will builder return to you if you choose not to have them do the flooring? Can you really tell them you like to do the flooring through an outside contractor?
What phase are they in? About halfway done?
Now that their sale is hurting due to Landfill Ranch, is TIC willing to give any discount, credit or free upgrade?
Maybe I should drop by to see what's going on.
If you can, please share with us TIC's option prices. I want to see how much TIC is overcharging.
you cannot do a bare floor escrow UNLESS you pay cash for the house. unfortunately, i lost my suitcase of money on the way from LAX (international direct)...
the explanation was that they are under contract to deliver a finished house.... something like that. not an insurance requirement or anything else. this is what i was told...
we haven't decided on all options. again, we are focusing on things that are not easily changed in the future (i.e. cabinets). some of my prices:
upgraded kitchen aid package - $766
rollout shelves - $122 x 2
softclose drawers - $452
cabinet upgrade - $2425
replace home management - ~$500
stainless undermount sink - $315
commode over master toilet - $351
recessed lighting - $675 per room (x 4)
ceiling fan pre-wire on the trellis - $750
that's all I've included for now... haven't decided on a lot of other things. in another thread i asked about a fireplace. it was too late to add... but i think i'm okay without one. i liked the setup in the plan 2 model... but ill get over it. will have to see what countertop upgrades actually cost in our design center appointment. we are not going to upgrade floors or baseboards right now, as we will just do that on our own later.
thanks a lot. with landscaping i doubt we will be under 900k. i guess it depends on the price of sod and concrete... =)
we were at the upper end of our budget, but decided to go with a new house... we will have to work with carpet/porcelain + the lowes paper cut it yourself blinds for a while (no biggie)... we will likely spend about $25Kish on upgrades through design center, trying to keep these costs low.
we've been looking at resale for a while, and i mean a while, but just couldn't find the right house for the right price.
i think they are in phase 12. Our house will be done in Oct. I'm not so sure their sales are hurting and I wouldn't expect any discounts right now. However, it may slow down in the next year, so just keep checking in. We have plan 2, and there are many available. However, plan 1's go fast because of the price point. The plan 1's sell fast so you won't see any deals on those.
For the option pricing, some of it is reasonable, some of it not. For example, to upgrade the flooring to the plan 2 model, its $30,000!!! Obviously we aren't upgrading floors through the builder. I'll add some more later on option pricing after we have our appt.
I don't want to share too many of our personal details, but personal circumstances dictated that we get into a house sooner than later...
How much credit will builder return to you if you choose not to have them do the flooring? Can you really tell them you like to do the flooring through an outside contractor?
usctrojancpa
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They won't give you any kind of credit, they will just put in the basic flooring in.jamboreedude said:
jamboreedude
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How much credit will builder return to you if you choose not to have them do the flooring? Can you really tell them you like to do the flooring through an outside contractor?
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They won't give you any kind of credit, they will just put in the basic flooring in.
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What if you tell the builder do not do any basic flooring either, we will have an outside contractor do it all. Is this possible with builders like TIC??
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They won't give you any kind of credit, they will just put in the basic flooring in.
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What if you tell the builder do not do any basic flooring either, we will have an outside contractor do it all. Is this possible with builders like TIC??
The Motor Court Company
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This is a requirement from the lender? so all cash buyers can choose to have closing with bare floor?
rkp said:
irvinehomeowner
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I believe it's an insurance requirement too.
But back when we bought our new house... the builder let my contractors install the flooring before close of escrow.
That probably was a violation of something but that's how we saved some money.
But back when we bought our new house... the builder let my contractors install the flooring before close of escrow.
That probably was a violation of something but that's how we saved some money.
The Motor Court Company
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Insurance is for the bank. If you own the home free and clear, you don't need the insurance.
irvinehomeowner said:
Irvine_Dreamer
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Congratulation!akim997 said:
What phase are they in? About halfway done?
Now that their sale is hurting due to Landfill Ranch, is TIC willing to give any discount, credit or free upgrade?
Maybe I should drop by to see what's going on.
If you can, please share with us TIC's option prices. I want to see how much TIC is overcharging.
jamboreedude said:
you cannot do a bare floor escrow UNLESS you pay cash for the house. unfortunately, i lost my suitcase of money on the way from LAX (international direct)...
the explanation was that they are under contract to deliver a finished house.... something like that. not an insurance requirement or anything else. this is what i was told...
rkp said:
we haven't decided on all options. again, we are focusing on things that are not easily changed in the future (i.e. cabinets). some of my prices:
upgraded kitchen aid package - $766
rollout shelves - $122 x 2
softclose drawers - $452
cabinet upgrade - $2425
replace home management - ~$500
stainless undermount sink - $315
commode over master toilet - $351
recessed lighting - $675 per room (x 4)
ceiling fan pre-wire on the trellis - $750
that's all I've included for now... haven't decided on a lot of other things. in another thread i asked about a fireplace. it was too late to add... but i think i'm okay without one. i liked the setup in the plan 2 model... but ill get over it. will have to see what countertop upgrades actually cost in our design center appointment. we are not going to upgrade floors or baseboards right now, as we will just do that on our own later.
woodburyowner said:
thanks a lot. with landscaping i doubt we will be under 900k. i guess it depends on the price of sod and concrete... =)
we were at the upper end of our budget, but decided to go with a new house... we will have to work with carpet/porcelain + the lowes paper cut it yourself blinds for a while (no biggie)... we will likely spend about $25Kish on upgrades through design center, trying to keep these costs low.
we've been looking at resale for a while, and i mean a while, but just couldn't find the right house for the right price.
Irvine_Dreamer said:
i think they are in phase 12. Our house will be done in Oct. I'm not so sure their sales are hurting and I wouldn't expect any discounts right now. However, it may slow down in the next year, so just keep checking in. We have plan 2, and there are many available. However, plan 1's go fast because of the price point. The plan 1's sell fast so you won't see any deals on those.
For the option pricing, some of it is reasonable, some of it not. For example, to upgrade the flooring to the plan 2 model, its $30,000!!! Obviously we aren't upgrading floors through the builder. I'll add some more later on option pricing after we have our appt.
I don't want to share too many of our personal details, but personal circumstances dictated that we get into a house sooner than later...
hmmm... bad news is that it seems that the market seems to be really slowing down... suggests i could have been more patient and purchased a resale house at a decent price.
good news... we'll be around some friends and family. we'll know about 4-5 other couples on our street. small world!!! have met and spoken to a few area residents. people seem pretty friendly (so far)... getting more used to the idea of not living in the perfect area. getting happier as we move along in the build process of having a house that we'll like and enjoy.
note RE: TIC.. When people call it cookie cutter, it is REALLY cookie cutter. It is NO JOKE that TIC ONLY cares about making money. Once you sign the contract, you are not a name, you are number 32321. There is NO FLEXIBILITY with building and stages. For me this is troubling because this is VERY different that what I've been told. A friend of mine had a home built in Vista Del Verde (Standard Pacific). She was able to add custom options like a wet bar in the master that weren't a part of any floor plan or standard design. The builder was WILLING to work with her. For my boss, he bought in NW Pointe (gated side of Meadowood) through Lennar in late 90's. He was going to put in an addition, so he worked with the contractor closely who did some custom work with the plumbing to help prep the house for the additions.
When I bought the home, I didnt realize it was too late to add BR4 (not a big deal). Even though the lot was nothing but dirt, it was "too late" to add the 4th BR because the foundation was "planned". My thought was - can't you just tell the guys out there to build it like XXX? Oh well. Then they tell me I can't have my fireplace. I look at the lot. Still dirt. What, you don't have the same fireplace you use on 12000 other homes in stock? I see the endless stacks of lumber - you tellin me you can just add it in? They tell me I cant change the door hardware - really? Because you aren't going to be using the same hardware in the next 2000 homes you are going to build? So I get the den instead of a BR - okay I want to add doors. TOO LATE! This I REALLY don't understand. I can go an order custom doors from Lowes TODAY and it they will be ready before October. You telling me you cant notch the door frame for these doors even though there is no wood up yet?
For the design center, you can tell that they carefully program EVERYTHING to make sure they make the most money off of you. Toilets? No choice in toilets. Why? Because they probably bought 1,000,000 of the same toilets at a discount and all buyers are stuck with them. I hate the tubs. I don't want a jet tub. I want a new "squarer" basin tub. Sorry, all that is offered is this round one. The comment I received was "well, buyers really don't want these options.... it's too much to choose from..." which is total BS (at least to me). I realize that part of the draw of purchasing a NEW home (build it as you want it) has disappeared. I'm still sticking with it. But I have to say, the experience thus far has been quite UNDERWHELMING to me... To boot, a lot of the options really aren't options because the ones the DO offer are priced at about 2X market value. I was quoted out crown molding for master coffer + den at less than 1/2 the cost, including paint and installation. THE ONLY UPGRADES that are worth it, are those where there is a nominal cost to upgrading (i.e. cabinets, appliances).
good news... we'll be around some friends and family. we'll know about 4-5 other couples on our street. small world!!! have met and spoken to a few area residents. people seem pretty friendly (so far)... getting more used to the idea of not living in the perfect area. getting happier as we move along in the build process of having a house that we'll like and enjoy.
note RE: TIC.. When people call it cookie cutter, it is REALLY cookie cutter. It is NO JOKE that TIC ONLY cares about making money. Once you sign the contract, you are not a name, you are number 32321. There is NO FLEXIBILITY with building and stages. For me this is troubling because this is VERY different that what I've been told. A friend of mine had a home built in Vista Del Verde (Standard Pacific). She was able to add custom options like a wet bar in the master that weren't a part of any floor plan or standard design. The builder was WILLING to work with her. For my boss, he bought in NW Pointe (gated side of Meadowood) through Lennar in late 90's. He was going to put in an addition, so he worked with the contractor closely who did some custom work with the plumbing to help prep the house for the additions.
When I bought the home, I didnt realize it was too late to add BR4 (not a big deal). Even though the lot was nothing but dirt, it was "too late" to add the 4th BR because the foundation was "planned". My thought was - can't you just tell the guys out there to build it like XXX? Oh well. Then they tell me I can't have my fireplace. I look at the lot. Still dirt. What, you don't have the same fireplace you use on 12000 other homes in stock? I see the endless stacks of lumber - you tellin me you can just add it in? They tell me I cant change the door hardware - really? Because you aren't going to be using the same hardware in the next 2000 homes you are going to build? So I get the den instead of a BR - okay I want to add doors. TOO LATE! This I REALLY don't understand. I can go an order custom doors from Lowes TODAY and it they will be ready before October. You telling me you cant notch the door frame for these doors even though there is no wood up yet?
For the design center, you can tell that they carefully program EVERYTHING to make sure they make the most money off of you. Toilets? No choice in toilets. Why? Because they probably bought 1,000,000 of the same toilets at a discount and all buyers are stuck with them. I hate the tubs. I don't want a jet tub. I want a new "squarer" basin tub. Sorry, all that is offered is this round one. The comment I received was "well, buyers really don't want these options.... it's too much to choose from..." which is total BS (at least to me). I realize that part of the draw of purchasing a NEW home (build it as you want it) has disappeared. I'm still sticking with it. But I have to say, the experience thus far has been quite UNDERWHELMING to me... To boot, a lot of the options really aren't options because the ones the DO offer are priced at about 2X market value. I was quoted out crown molding for master coffer + den at less than 1/2 the cost, including paint and installation. THE ONLY UPGRADES that are worth it, are those where there is a nominal cost to upgrading (i.e. cabinets, appliances).
usctrojancpa
Well-known member
TIC is very robotic, whether it is their sales people or the people at the design center. They are as flexible as a thick steel beam. It's a shame really, because most all of the things that you'd like to do can easily be taken care since the framing is not even up. TIC does not build homes, they build widgets. And people wonder why Taylor Morrsion and The New Company Homes are selling well.
irvinehomeowner
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@akim:
Sorry to hear about your issues with TIC but this is good information for any future prospective buyers.
Sorry to hear about your issues with TIC but this is good information for any future prospective buyers.
