thatOSguy said:jmoney74 said:thatOSguy said:Nevermind the obvious - that mortgages and bills are monthly and paychecks are typically bi -weekly, which takes a bite out of liquidity for lots of households, save for 2 months a year.
Add 401k withholdings, healthcare premiums, car payments/expenses, child care expenses, 529 savings for x kids, some student debt, out of pocket healthcare costs, tutors, allowances, vacations now and again, sports and arts for the kids. It doesn't leave much left for savings, eating out and a little play time.
$200k is barely enough even for an $850k starter home with typical expenses. Even with 20% down, assuming someone can scrape it together without borrowing against their 401k, which further eats into monthly cash flow.
Let's just say take home $100K
$8333 per month
- 4000 per month for home mortgages and bills
4333 per month
-2K a month for 2 kids
$2,333
So that's what you're probably left with spending if you took home 100K. Plus car payments.. probably should be driving a civic or something at that rate.
Doctor's wages with a receptionist's ride. Isn't Irvine grand? Mello Roos and HOAs don't matter, right?
Go in style - civic Si.jmoney74 said:thatOSguy said:Nevermind the obvious - that mortgages and bills are monthly and paychecks are typically bi -weekly, which takes a bite out of liquidity for lots of households, save for 2 months a year.
Add 401k withholdings, healthcare premiums, car payments/expenses, child care expenses, 529 savings for x kids, some student debt, out of pocket healthcare costs, tutors, allowances, vacations now and again, sports and arts for the kids. It doesn't leave much left for savings, eating out and a little play time.
$200k is barely enough even for an $850k starter home with typical expenses. Even with 20% down, assuming someone can scrape it together without borrowing against their 401k, which further eats into monthly cash flow.
Let's just say take home $100K
$8333 per month
- 4000 per month for home mortgages and bills
4333 per month
-2K a month for 2 kids
$2,333
So that's what you're probably left with spending if you took home 100K. Plus car payments.. probably should be driving a civic or something at that rate.
jmoney74 said:Civic Si Hatchback was my first ride.. you always remember the first.
thatOSguy said:Right. Cost me thousands over the years. As IC stated, it was finally fixed in 2013. I stand corrected on AMT affecting an increasing group of folks in the middle class - the patch is a significant fix.
ps9 said:jmoney74 said:Civic Si Hatchback was my first ride.. you always remember the first.
This deserves its own thread!
My first car is also a Honda, the Civic EX Coupe. Neuspeed 2" drop springs, white Volk TE-37 rims, R.S. Akimoto intake for my rice rocket. If I gun it, I can beat a Vespa! Worse part, we paid sticker for the new car, my mom and I didn't know you were suppose to haggle. And our APR was 19.99%. We really got swindled, and I will remember that for the rest of my life.
I know one of jmoney's challenge/security questions!
gasman said:thatOSguy said:Right. Cost me thousands over the years. As IC stated, it was finally fixed in 2013. I stand corrected on AMT affecting an increasing group of folks in the middle class - the patch is a significant fix.
LOL...oops, I haven't filed my 2013 returns yet. Maybe I'll rescind my statement come July/Aug...
...or not. Not until the lawmakers give me a retroactive rebate on AMT for the past 5 years...
thatOSguy said:I guess I suck at articulating a point.
At least qwerty and IHO (hopefully) get me. Is that progress? Or a step back?
thatOSguy said:I guess I suck at articulating a point.
At least qwerty and IHO (hopefully) get me. Is that progress? Or a step back?
Irvinecommuter said:qwerty said:thatOSguy said:Interestingly, even switching to an ARM doesn't fully offset the MR and HOAs.
Still not getting it, IC?
By the way, $200k income is hardly upper class in Irvine. That's barely enough for a starter home and not enough for extracurricular activities with a couple kids. AMT and MR/property tax would be meaningful.
Yeah I don't know how you can buy a house in irvine and raise a family on 200k. That alone should be a red flag not to buy in irvine right now.
You can and plenty of people do. The hurdle for ownership in Irvine is not monthly affordability...it's the 20% down payment.
At $200K, one's monthly gross income is $16666. Net pay is about $11,000
a $850,000 house at 20% down would mean a mortgage of $680,000...which is a payment of about $3,450 a month. Add in HOA and taxes of about $1,500 a month...you have housing cost at about $5,000 a month.
Thus you have about $6,000 of disposable income after housing payment even assuming no housing related deductions whatsoever.
thatOSguy said:How much did you pay for your home paperboy?